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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:47 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 43):
Makes sense. An aircraft can just not disappear, even if it is blown into pieces on 35000 ft altitude. There are too many items which floats in an aircraft. Once they will be able to find the crashsite, the picture will be clearer.


Just have a look at this article about how little was found back from MI185:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...e-terrible-implications-for-mh370/

Now imagine that type of destruction at an unknown location in the sea...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:47 am

Quoting redadeco (Reply 24):
Why terrorism as a 1st reason? I personally dismiss this theory. All the speculations on terrorism are centred on Uyghur muslims living in XinJiang province who currently have issues with the central Chinese government; however, why the h**k would they target the flag carrier of a Muslim country with presumably passengers sharing the same faith as them.

Al Qaeda have killed more muslims than "westerners" ! And they weren't collateral damage.

Has any report come out as to any "celebrities" on the passenger list. How easy is it for authorities to find out from life insurance companies if any pax had a recent very large policy issued etc?

I have asked twice already but none of the usual professionals here seem to have taken it up. If the 777 (and an MH one at that) almost came close to a crash due to flight control problems 9 years ago. Why isn't that as or more likely than some of the other scenarios being discussed? While that problem with the ADIRU was subsequently fixed. It took almost 10 years for it to show up on the 777. Maybe another issue with another system has now manifested itself with this crash.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:48 am

Quoting na (Reply 7):
But if they have detected debris it should be expected that they fly around it a the lowest hight possible (whats that for a decent SAR plane, 50 meters, 30?) and take enough GGOD pictures so no ship is wasted in the wrong location.

So what does that tell you about the source and credibility of the alleged debris photos published so far. Hint - none of them are related to MH370. They range from greenhouses to cable reels.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:48 am

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 32):

No, that makes us SAR blokes have a hard time choosing a spot to search, as is evidenced by the lack of results in the current SAR efforts. They must be tearing their hair out - I know I have before.

From an amateur point of view, I was expecting this to be a rather straightforward SAR operation. As it is more or less agreed that it is very unlikely that the aircraft made it onto the seabed in one piece with the passengers still onboard, the search is for a field of debris or dozen of passengers in life rafts/life vests rather than a head or two popping out of the water or a 20ft nutshell. This might explain why we amateurs are so surprised.

Quoting michi (Reply 18):
http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html

New report of debris somewhere else.

I guess media are now beginning to clutch at straws. If they chase every piece of floatsam in the Gulf of Thailand or the South China Sea, they can just as well stop the whole search.

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:52:44]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:49 am

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 29):
"60km southeast of Vung Tau, a coastal city in Vietnam"

That would be way off the current search area.


Until now, we don't know nothing so far. The search found nothing.

However, this debris was seen more ore less under the planned flight path of MH370. It is more or less in the general direction MH370 was headed.

It shouldn't be a problem to check this debris real quick as it close to the harbor of Vung Tau, which looks like the HCMC harbor to me.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:50 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 6):

A part of me still hopes it has landed on a remote island and everyone is well.

Please return to us, 9M-MRO.


    

I've been reading this thread almost hourly ever since this whole affair started. There've been some pretty solid arguments for - and against - all of the theories put forward. In the absence of any hard facts or evidence (as at the time of posting), I don't want to make any assumptions. I might be naive (though I'd like to think of it as "quietly hopeful"), but I'm with 77west on this one - no matter how increasingly unlikely.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of the passengers and crew of MH370 - not to mention the passengers and crew themselves.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:51 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 41):
You can add extra redundant transmitters and this and that but if you're going to spend money on air safety there are other areas which are more deserving of investment.

I do realize this. Sattelite 'transmitters' all over the airframe would no work. A colleague asked, don't the black boxes talk to satellites? And I was like, um, no....

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 41):
If everything is fine, no. However in a crisis, it is quite possible. For example, there was an Air China 747 which suffered an engine out and ended up in a spin when the captain took the wrong actions. It landed missing some bits and pieces and eventually returned to service, permanently warped out of true.

In all fairness the Air China example was a classic 747 with little if any automation compared to a 777-200ER that pretty much hardly ever demands manual control at altitude even in some rather interesting and serious malfunctions, including engine out.

That said if it all blew to hell and back perhaps manual control is what they did. God help them in that case at 2AM over a black Ocean.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:52 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 41):
For example, there was an Air China 747 which suffered an engine out and ended up in a spin when the captain took the wrong actions. It landed missing some bits and pieces and eventually returned to service, permanently warped out of true.

It was a China Airlines 747 SP I think you are referring to. Don't mix up CA and CI. In theory their two "countries" are still in a civil war!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 57):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 41):
For example, there was an Air China 747 which suffered an engine out and ended up in a spin when the captain took the wrong actions. It landed missing some bits and pieces and eventually returned to service, permanently warped out of true.

It was a China Airlines 747 SP I think you are referring to. Don't mix up CA and CI. In theory their two "countries" are still in a civil war!

Sorry oops! Forgot to double check. Yes I know the difference between Mainland China and Taiwan.

I've edited my post to correct the error.



[Edited 2014-03-10 04:57:56]

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:58:21]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:58 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 51):
Has any report come out as to any "celebrities" on the passenger list. How easy is it for authorities to find out from life insurance companies if any pax had a recent very large policy issued etc?

At least in Switzerland, there's a tax on any insurance that is deemed as investment (e.g. life insurance, or insuring a car or household effects). So the government could run the list of passengers/next of kin against the list of people who have bought life insurance.

But of course it's possible to buy life insurance for somebody totally unrelated. So-called "dead peasant insurance" is an example.

Quoting gr325 (Reply 35):
meteor

A meteor strike is possible... but extremely unlikely. If a meteor is able to strike an aircraft, I think NORAD would have this meteor already in its catalogues.


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:00 pm

Quoting j77w (Reply 55):
I've been reading this thread almost hourly ever since this whole affair started. There've been some pretty solid arguments for - and against - all of the theories put forward. In the absence of any hard facts or evidence (as at the time of posting), I don't want to make any assumptions. I might be naive (though I'd like to think of it as "quietly hopeful"), but I'm with 77west on this one - no matter how increasingly unlikely.

Cheers J77W; a bit of hope goes a long way right? I am holding out hope until that (sadly) inevitable moment they hoist the vertical stab out of the sea onto a boat.

I am not going to be surprised when I see this on the morning News.

But I remain hopeful and that my favourite airliner will have the star role in the greatest Airliner "theft, conspiracy, secret landing" of all time.

If and when I see that always iconic image of the forlorn tail, I will not help but shed a tear first for the people affected and second for a real stallion of the skies that has finally succumbed to gravity.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:01 pm

 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:01 pm

I can't link because I'm on my phone but the Australian Broadcasting Corporation was reporting earlier that the 5 pax who failed to board are being investigated, despite their luggage being offloaded.

It is odd they haven't turned up yet, as there must be news editors all over the world absolutely foaming at the mouth for first bite of that story.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:02 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates

"China Xinhua News ✔ @XHNews
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#Breaking: Local media: Tests reveal that the oil slick is not from missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight but actually a ship"

Truly mysterious.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:02 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 50):
Just have a look at this article about how little was found back from MI185:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...e-terrible-implications-for-mh370/

Now imagine that type of destruction at an unknown location in the sea...

That blog paints a pretty bleak picture, setting an expectation of hardly anything being recoverable.
However, about 73% of the wreckage (by weight) was recovered from MI185.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:04 pm

It turns out that the oil slick came from a ship, not the missing 777.

The search goes on...

Maritime Official: Oil Slicks Not from Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane

Quote:
Oil slicks off the coast of Malaysia were not from the missing Malaysia Airlines 777 that disappeared over two days ago, officials reported on Monday.

Officials in Vietnam reported a 12-mile or 20-kilometer-long oil slick that originally appeared to be from jet fuel. A maritime official from Malaysia said that lab tests showed that the oil is not, however, jet fuel......


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:04 pm

I still think it went into the sea near IGARI waypoint. I don't think it went much farther than that area.

With the lack of info or debris, I am beginning to believe that somehow it hasn't crashed...
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:06 pm

Quoting gr325 (Reply 35):
I am not entirely sure if this has been discussed.
I know the odds are very unlikely but would it be possible the aircraft has been hit by a meteor or other space debris?
Has been discussed. Mid air landing into an Antonov 225 is however still open for discussion  
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:07 pm

Quoting 345tas (Reply 62):
I can't link because I'm on my phone but the Australian Broadcasting Corporation was reporting earlier that the 5 pax who failed to board are being investigated, despite their luggage being offloaded.

Voilà

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-1...passengers-failed-to-board/5310874
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 66):
With the lack of info or debris, I am beginning to believe that somehow it hasn't crashed...

Really I so hope you are right.

I have a funny feeling about this one and I really hope she appears however unlikely. But seriously how long do we look for wreckage before accepting that it might have crashed but not anywhere near its flightpath?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:10 pm

Oh my god. This is journalism at its absolute WORST.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...agedy/story-fnhocxo3-1226849027718
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:10 pm

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 67):
I am not entirely sure if this has been discussed.
I know the odds are very unlikely but would it be possible the aircraft has been hit by a meteor or other space debris?Has been discussed. Mid air landing into an Antonov 225 is however still open for discussion

First time for everything right?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:13 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 70):
Oh my god. This is journalism at its absolute WORST.

Ironic when the PAX have more faith than the media right?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:14 pm

If the plane had exploded at high altitude there would be massive amounts of debris floating--there is none which makes me think it went down relatively intact. The water there is fairly shallow so once the navy gets in there with their underwater radar they will make a grid and locate the wreckage.

It took 73 YEARS to find Titanic, 2 tears to find AF447 and in this age of everyone wants to know everything RIGHT NOW is just going to have to wait. The flight data recorders and CVR have underwater pingers that will go for at leasst 30 days and once they hear those it should take a very short time to triangulate a fix.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:15 pm

The tickets of the two suspect passengers were bought from an agency in Pattaya through an Iranian man (i.e. the passengers in question were not present during the sale).

They were initially booked to their final European destinations through Qatar/UAE on March 1st, but they somewhat postponed their flights to the 8th and the agent booked them randomly on CZ (codeshare with MH and KL).

[Edited 2014-03-10 05:20:08]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:15 pm

Quoting na (Reply 1):
Looking at the photos of suspected debris from MH370 I ask why arent those SAR guys able to make a photo thats better than with a 1999 cellphone?
Can someone please give them a decent 200 $ camera with a tele lens to add to their multi-million $ plane?

So let's say that we give them a 10 MP camera. That would mean approximately a 1.1 MB file size with JPEG compression.

The data link capabilities for those types of SAR aircraft is very poor. You're looking at a extremely low data rates. I'd estimate them to be equivalent to a 14.4 modem.

The idea is to get a rough image back to the analysts at base as quickly as possible.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 50):
Just have a look at this article about how little was found back from MI185:http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...e-terrible-implications-for-mh370/Now imagine that type of destruction at an unknown location in the sea...

A 772ER has a far greater structure than a 737, there would be proportionally more to show up. Additionally the example you quoted fell into a swampy area with strong tides and mud flow that quickly claimed much of the wreckage. If MH370 ended up in open water there should be rather more wreckage floating about.

My theory (for what its worth - very little) is that the plane suffered a major electrical failure, the crew then attempted a divert and ran out of luck somewhere along the coastline of the South China Sea. This would explain the lack of messages, no sightings of any floating debris in open water, and as they would have descended to low level no radar traces.

I know little if anything about the Gulf of Thailand, but it seems that its a relatively sheltered piece of fairly shallow water bordered by a number of Countries. On that basis it ought to have quite a number of cargo ships plus a lot of fishing vessels. none of which to datge have reported anything.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 40):
More information that one of the two passengers travelling under false identity has been identified:

http://my.news.yahoo.com/identity-on....html

Details in the linked story provide some insight into earlier reports that a Malaysian immigration or customs official had been arrested or questioned.

Quote:
Home Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said the passengers were of Asian appearance and criticised border officials for allowing them through security checkpoints.

“I am still perturbed. Can’t these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces?” he said.

Comments in previous parts of this discussion have rightly pointed to the fact that names and ethnicity don't always fit preconceptions. This comment from the Malaysian Minister could involve evidence equally consistent with people smuggling as it is also consistent with terrorism.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 73):
2 tears to find AF447

It took two years to find the recorders, but it only took a day or two to find parts of AF447, so at least it was positively determined it had crashed into the Atlantic in short order.

With Titanic, the sinking was known to be inevitable before it even sank.

With MH370, there has been nothing. It's eerie.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 73):
in this age of everyone wants to know everything RIGHT NOW is just going to have to wait

Quite. Irony of modern communications I suppose.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:21 pm

The men travelling on stolen passports “were not Asian looking" according to Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:24 pm

If that oil slick discovered is fuel NOT from a jet airliner, then the loss becomes even more mysterious indeed. It's almost like the plane effectively disappeared like something out of a science-fiction story--yikes!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:24 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 73):
It took 73 YEARS to find Titanic, 2 tears to find AF447 and in this age of everyone wants to know everything RIGHT NOW is just going to have to wait.

It took them less than 2 days to find debris from AF447. I think it's natural that people are curious, you don't have to be a spoiled brat for that. Most people on this site seem to be calm and reasonable. Some media outlets, on the other hand...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:25 pm

If the plane seemed to be turning back on radar screens (which is what they were saying yesterday), then the plane might be in another sector entirely. If there was an electrical malfunction or something that would disable the transponder entirely, then there is no way of knowing how long and in what direction this plane flew after we lost radar contact.

The place of impact could be 100s of miles away from where all these ships and aircraft are looking.

In this day and age, this plane should have been found by now. Something just doesn't add up.

There are two plausible explanations as far as I am concerned.

1. Hijacking, so a voluntary shutoff of the transponder and then flying the aircraft (outside of PSR coverage) to an unknown (impact) location over the ocean.

2. Complete loss of engine and electrical power (including RAT), thus explaining loss of radar signal and lack of communication by the crew to alert ATC, and thus the plane glided for a 100 or so miles (Such as the Air Transat in the Azores) and then crashed in a remote location that we do not know yet.

Honestly. #1 looks to be the most plausible right now.

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[Edited 2014-03-10 05:35:59]
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:26 pm

This is now funny: "Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli."

Balotelli has a quite important Champion's League game tomorrow, don't disturb him please.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:28 pm

Theguardian created a live coverage section for MH370, here you go:


http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates

[Edited 2014-03-10 09:36:23 by SA7700]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:29 pm

While in flight, can one logically stop or physically power down ADS-B? ACARS?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:31 pm

My questions are,

1. How long this search operation will continue ? (Search around flight path area)

2. If they call it a day, would they be looking somewhere else?

3. What is the possibility we never get to know or never find MS370 and her component at all? (I know it has happened to few aircrafts which were never found out after gone missing, but if they can't find it in this age and time then would be worrying?)

Thoughts ?

Thanks.

On other note, do you guys know 'Bermuda Triangle'? I guess most of you know those stories...planes and ships vanishing suddenly.

[Edited 2014-03-10 05:34:55]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:33 pm

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 29):

Last known Heading was 040. Might be possible.

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 29):
Quoting michi (Reply 18):

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html

New report of debris somewhere else.

"60km southeast of Vung Tau, a coastal city in Vietnam"

That would be way off the current search area.

avherald:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

'Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.'
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:33 pm

Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:35 pm

281nm away from the last position?
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:36 pm

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 77):
Details in the linked story provide some insight into earlier reports that a Malaysian immigration or customs official had been arrested or questioned.

Quote: Home Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said the passengers were of Asian appearance and criticised border officials for allowing them through security checkpoints.

“I am still perturbed. Can’t these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces?” he said.
Comments in previous parts of this discussion have rightly pointed to the fact that names and ethnicity don't always fit preconceptions. This comment from the Malaysian Minister could involve evidence equally consistent with people smuggling as it is also consistent with terrorism.

Until a fortnight ago I was unaware of the use of European names in this part of the World, then I met the case of a 99 year old Burmese lady Mabel and her nephews Stanley and Cecil. This concludes me to think that there might be nothing unusual for a person checking the passport to pick up on.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:37 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 82):

Even with complete loss of electrical power, I have a hard time believing that a radar, be it a military one, wouldnt be able to pick up the 777s position. So I doubt that anyone would be able to fly the 777 and land it somewhere remote.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 92):
Until a fortnight ago I was unaware of the use of European names in this part of the World, then I met the case of a 99 year old Burmese lady Mabel and her nephews Stanley and Cecil. This concludes me to think that there might be nothing unusual for a person checking the passport to pick up on.

Besides the name, even a most cursory comparison of a person of African or Asian descent and a passport having a photo of a Caucausian descent should not match. I assume the photographs in the stolen passports must have been changed?
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 86):
While in flight, can one logically stop or physically power down ADS-B? ACARS?

Easy peasy. Just switch off the transponder for ADS-B, or pull the circuit breaker. Not sure if ACARS has a switch but everything has a circuit breaker. This is a safety feature as you want to be able to cut ANY electrical circuit in case you have a problem.

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 87):
3. What is the possibility we never get to know or never find MS370 and her component at all? (I know it has happened to few aircrafts which were never found out after gone missing, but if they can't find it in this age and time then would be worrying?)

Very unlikely. AFAIK, the last major jetliner which was never found was in 1979.

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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:43 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 90):
Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli.

Is this some sick joke, or is this an actual quote?

If so, please provide source.

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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:45 pm

Just remembered the USAF F-16 which crashed over Adriatic sea. The debris was found the next day IIRC and it took 3 days to find the pilot's body (he died during ejection). Adriatic sea is much smaller than gulf of thailand.

http://www.stripes.com/news/air-forc...in-f-16-crash-in-adriatic-1.205594

http://www.stripes.com/news/report-i...l-disorientation-by-pilot-1.250013
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:46 pm

 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:46 pm

Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 96):
Is this some sick joke, or is this an actual quote?

If so, please provide source.

It appears to be an actual quote. See for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:46 pm

Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 96):

Is this some sick joke, or is this an actual quote?

If so, please provide source.

It's true. Just saw it on TV.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:49 pm

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 94):
Besides the name, even a most cursory comparison of a person of African or Asian descent and a passport having a photo of a Caucausian descent should not match. I assume the photographs in the stolen passports must have been changed?

100%, unless immigration at KLIA turned a blind eye ($$), the reason behind this is that Malaysia's civil aviation chief just declared that one suspect looked like Mario Balotelli (black skinned).

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