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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:49 pm

Quoting lhrlocal (Reply 101):
AvHerald have a picture of a new possible debris field spotted 80nm SE of Ho Chi Minh City.

See posts 22 and 28.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 92):
Until a fortnight ago I was unaware of the use of European names in this part of the World, then I met the case of a 99 year old Burmese lady Mabel and her nephews Stanley and Cecil. This concludes me to think that there might be nothing unusual for a person checking the passport to pick up on.

Although these are often not official names in my experience, but rather self-given names.

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 94):
I assume the photographs in the stolen passports must have been changed?

I don't think that is possible in a biometric passport as issued in the Italy and Austria.

Quoting redadeco (Reply 79):
The men travelling on stolen passports “were not Asian looking" according to Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman.

Interesting as yesterday the immigration and check-in staff at KUL were in hot water because the names in the passports were suggesting Caucasian travellers and they were accused of not having spotted that with Asians standing in front of them.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:51 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 91):
281nm away from the last position?

How far can a 777 @FL350 glide if it loses all power?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:52 pm

It possible that this aircraft could have been hijacked and landed somewhere way off course, or have continued flying for many hours in an unknown direction before crashing. I think the reason nothing has been found is because they are looking in the wrong place. I don't think that it crashed at the moment they lost radar contact because otherwise they would have found the wreckage already. For all we know it could have landed in the Australian desert.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 106):

Not that far.

Well, if it could glide that far it could have gone back to the airport...
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting PhilV (Reply 89):
N9.72 E107.42



Wow.

Let's hope that this debris field gives a clue. Marine pollution tends to concentrate due to oceanic currents, so a relatively fresh debris field should be easily to distinguish from marine waste.




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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:52 pm

"The suggestion that the two passengers on false passport resembled the footballer Balotelli was greeted by laughter at the press conference."

Sure, let's make this whole thing even more surreal.

I don't know in what way Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman addressed the press, so I hold my initial judgment, but nevertheless I find it a bit unappropriate to crack jokes in a press conference, while loved ones are waiting for answers.

Pretty impressive that I've just read over a 1000 posts for the last 2 days. And that I can count the contributions that actually thought me something new on 2 hands. We humans just can't sit tight and wait for facts and answers hah?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:53 pm

Quoting PhilV (Reply 89):
'Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.'

And we've come full circle, back to the vicinity of the flower plantations from Part 5:

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

...except this time, it's the water we're looking at, and not the land. And this does at least look a bit like debris of some kind, but it seems a very long way away from the last known position.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:54 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 106):
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 91):
281nm away from the last position?

How far can a 777 @FL350 glide if it loses all power?

Conservatively a 1:15 glide ratio. 35000 feet is 10.67km so in excess of 160km in still air.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:55 pm

Whatever the person looks like (and Balotelli doesn't look Asian at all), what matters is that they should look like the photo on their passports. Or is he implying that the passports were altered ?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:55 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 106):
How far can a 777 @FL350 glide if it loses all power?

I think I read somewhere that it loses 1 feet altitude for every 10-15 feet distance covered - but don't quote me on that, my recollection could be wrong. If correct, it would mean no more than 100nm.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:58 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 112):
Conservatively a 1:15 glide ratio. 35000 feet is 10.67km so in excess of 160km in still air.

Way out of reach of current debris field then.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:58 pm

What about the possibility of a fuel tank explosion, as happened to TWA800. As I understand it the FAA has mandated inerting systems on new aircraft, but the retrofitting of these on in service aircraft is not yet complete. Anyone got more precise information on this? Do we know if this particular 777 had nitrogen interting installed?

One argument against this - I guess you would expect a large ammount of floating debris from such an event, which would probably have been found by now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerting_system
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:58 pm

Maybe a weird thing, but what if the select transponder code has been turned off. I think all the data will not be visible for the radar stations. Maybe they got inside the cockpit, turned the transponder off and flew to another destination. It was suppose to fly to China and with the fake Passports you never know ?

Is it possible to fly to China without a transponder ?

You should say they must be able to find something from a Boeing 777, it's not a small aircraft
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:59 pm

I guess the problem is that the sea in that region is rather polluted by waste. So unless something undoubtedly belonging to an airliner is spotted from the air, a lot of rather innocent floatsam will be chased down.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 70):

If that's not bad enough, check out this link:

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ts-boeing-777s-20140309-34f9g.html

Whenever a major event or incident occurs, it's only a matter of time before the media rushes out to get "the local perspective" (well, in this case, 'we Aussies don't have 777-200ERs, so let's ask the neighbours next door. That's "local" enough').
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:00 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 113):
Whatever the person looks like (and Balotelli doesn't look Asian at all), what matters is that they should look like the photo on their passports. Or is he implying that the passports were altered ?

Obviously passports were forged/passengers somewhat bypassed immigration, the original holders are caucasians and yesterday the Italian man named "Luigi Maraldi" held a press conference in Thailand to reveal who he is.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:02 pm

Autonomous tracking of non cooperative aircraft

Thank you Starlionbblue for confirming what I suspected. Comm systems can be easily switched off in flight.

The point I was trying to make in post 232# thread 8, is that a different approach is needed if we want to make sure that no civilian aircraft can go AWOL without reporting its positions. Autonomous subsystem is the key. No link to any of the standard avionics, power buses, ... and no switches in the cockpit for someone to interfere. Transmission only when abnormal condition(s) are detected. Hopefully still able to transmit when tumbling down. If a crash occurs, the ELT takes over.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:02 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 113):

He doesn't need to look Asian with an Italian passport. And perhaps the check-in/gate agents at KUL don't know how the typical Italian looks like, due to lack of "training". But an employee at KUL can tell you exactly who's looking like a Chinese or a Malaysian.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 113):
Whatever the person looks like (and Balotelli doesn't look Asian at all), what matters is that they should look like the photo on their passports. Or is he implying that the passports were altered ?

Quite clearly the passports HAD To be altered - The only way the passports could have been used it they were untouched would be by the actual people in the photographs, UNLESS they were uncannily similar looking, which I highly doubt.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:06 pm

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 88):
The Guardian live blog backs the story now:

Quote:
Benjaporn Krutnait, owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency in Pattaya, Thailand, said the Iranian, a long-term business contact who she knew only as %u201CMr Ali%u201D, first asked her to book cheap tickets to Europe for the two men on March 1. Ms Benjaporn initially reserved one of the men on a Qatar Airways flight and the other on Etihad.

But the tickets expired when Ms Benjaporn did not hear back from Mr Ali. When he contacted her again on Thursday, she rebooked the men on the Malaysia Airlines flight through Beijing because it was the cheapest available. Ms Benjaporn booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines via a code share arrangement.

A friend of Mr Ali paid Ms Benjaporn cash for the tickets, she said, adding that it was quite common for people to book tickets in Pattaya through middle men such as Mr Ali, who then take a commission.

If correct, this information seems to end the terrorism theory involving the two people on stolen EU passports. They were earlier booked to the same destinations on QR and EY by the 'Iranian man' but the reservations lapsed when they weren't paid for.

Quoting Hywel (Reply 90):
Malaysia%u2019s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli.

The Guardian's website puts paid to the 'Asian looking' passengers on stolen passports

Quote:
Malaysia%u2019s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman is giving another news conference in Kuala Lumpa.

He confirmed that the search area is being increased and that the operation is being %u201Cintensified%u201D.

Investigators have examined the CCTV footage of passengers boarding the plane, and said all the security procedures were complied with.

The men travelling on stolen passports %u201Cwere not Asian looking%u201D, Rahman said.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:08 pm

I wonder if comms were switched off given the change in heading on FR24 at the end of data? Went from 25 to 28 then to 40 degrees.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:11 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 123):
I wonder if comms were switched off given the change in heading on FR24 at the end of data? Went from 25 to 28 then to 40 degrees.

If that data is correct, it implies the transponder sent it.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:13 pm

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 122):
Quoting Finn350 (Reply 88):The Guardian live blog backs the story now:Quote:Benjaporn Krutnait, owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency in Pattaya, Thailand, said the Iranian, a long-term business contact who she knew only as %u201CMr Ali%u201D, first asked her to book cheap tickets to Europe for the two men on March 1. Ms Benjaporn initially reserved one of the men on a Qatar Airways flight and the other on Etihad.But the tickets expired when Ms Benjaporn did not hear back from Mr Ali. When he contacted her again on Thursday, she rebooked the men on the Malaysia Airlines flight through Beijing because it was the cheapest available. Ms Benjaporn booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines via a code share arrangement.A friend of Mr Ali paid Ms Benjaporn cash for the tickets, she said, adding that it was quite common for people to book tickets in Pattaya through middle men such as Mr Ali, who then take a commission.If correct, this information seems to end the terrorism theory involving the two people on stolen EU passports.


It rules the 2 suspect pax out as being terrorists IMO.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:15 pm

I can buy a $.50 candy bar with my credit card and in two seconds the machine will scan the card and verify it's authenticity. A stolen card will be useless 5 seconds after I report it. But an airline or airport computer system can't check a database to be sure the passport is a valid one.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:15 pm

Why are we going on about these passports?

Based on the information about how the tickets were procured, it seems to me that these two were illegal immigrants trying to find their way to Europe... The fact they were initially booked on to fly via Qatar and the UAE on seperate flights then booked onto a flight sourced by the travel agent (as the cheapest option) it hardly seems plaucible it was terrorism, as don't these attacks usually require a lot of planning??

Anyway, could we maybe discuss the debris field found near Vietnam? Is it plausible?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting art (Reply 126):

It rules the 2 suspect pax out as being terrorists IMO.

Why? While I agree that the story - if true - makes it more unlikely, I don't think that terrorists necessarily target a specific flight if they plan to blow up a plane. It is probably more a question of the airport of departure, if they can position themselves in time and if accomplices are available on a certain date.

Quite honestly, the story of someone who is a long-term business contact yet only known as Mr. Ali sounds a bit dodgy in itself.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 105):
It possible that this aircraft could have been hijacked and landed somewhere way off course, or have continued flying for many hours in an unknown direction before crashing. I think the reason nothing has been found is because they are looking in the wrong place. I don't think that it crashed at the moment they lost radar contact because otherwise they would have found the wreckage already. For all we know it could have landed in the Australian desert.

But without being tracked by anyones radar? Even if they turned the transponder off then they would have been seen by radar unless they were flying 'under the radar' which would have required flying at under 1000ft.

Given the fuel onboard for the KUL - PEK sector there wouldn't have been enough fuel to get as far as Australia. This would have also involved flying over Indonesia which would have been noticed given the populous region both on land and on water.

Very strange and fast developing picture here.

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[Edited 2014-03-10 06:25:49]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 128):
Anyway, could we maybe discuss the debris field found near Vietnam? Is it plausible?

From the last confirmed FR24 position, a 40deg heading would take it roughly to the debris field, so not impossible. Again, let's see if it really is debris, but that photo posted on avherald looks more convincing than anything we've seen so far:

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_2.jpg

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:26 pm

The current in that new debris area apparently runs towards Malaysia, so the debris would not have drifted out that way.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 120):
But an employee at KUL can tell you exactly who's looking like a Chinese or a Malaysian.

Not all the time though. I've even seen staff at KUL mistaken a local Chinese as Korean and vice versa.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 131):
From the last confirmed FR24 position, a 40deg heading would take it roughly to the debris field, so not impossible. Again, let's see if it really is debris, but that photo posted on avherald looks more convincing than anything we've seen so far:

The picture wasn't showing up so go to the link here and scroll down: http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

Yeah, it looks like it could be something. For the families' sake, I hope it is...
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:28 pm

I am thinking that the stolen passports are red herrings. Why would a terrorist need a stolen passport? While it may be the case if he is unable to obtain a legitimate one, but most people can. I believe all of the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate passports. If it is a suicide mission then it will not matter. If it was a bomb smuggled onboard (like PA103) then it is irrelevant; it was not a passenger that was on the plane. It could have been one of the 5 who did not board; those are the more interesting. Is it possible that one of them identified a bag as belonging to someone else, and hence the bag did NOT get removed when the passenger did not board? Terrorists examine all of the security protocols and then figure a way to get around them. And regardless how diligent the security officials are, some clever terrrorist is likely to succeed at some point.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:28 pm

I'm afraid the plane may crashed on the land not in the sea. They have to look this as possibility.

It's almost hard to believe after 3 days, no debris found on the sea.

If this is a hijacking, can they fly the plane undetected?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:29 pm

Quoting mila (Reply 3):

It feels like the Malaysian government is hiding something...

If nothing else I am sure they are plenty embarrassed that some people got on one a plane of their airline in their country with stolen passports.

I have started to wonder a bit if somehow some way the aircraft was shot down. However, that starts another entire set of questions and I really dont think that is something that happened.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
This begs the question why they would want to hide something.

If nothing else lapses in their airport procedures and I am sure they dont want attention drawn to this issue.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:29 pm

Quoting art (Reply 126):

It rules the 2 suspect pax out as being terrorists IMO.
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 128):
Based on the information about how the tickets were procured, it seems to me that these two were illegal immigrants trying to find their way to Europe...

Not necessarily. Saboteur could easily have used a middle man to buy tickets as well. Just because they did not buy the first set of tickets does it mean that they were trying for the lowest fare. It could just mean that they were fishing for the "right" flight.

But all of this is conjecture. I am only keeping the possibility open.

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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 128):
it hardly seems plaucible it was terrorism, as don't these attacks usually require a lot of planning??

I certainly think it suggests those two weren't terrorists, since if you want to send a message you're not going to voluntarily end your life on whichever carrier happens to have the lowest fare at the time.

That being said, it does not rule out terrorism, although I struggle to find a motive.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 135):
S China Sea current patterns.

But only in the monsoon seasons, not March.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:31 pm

Looks like Chinese officials are frustrated that Malaysian authority haven't had any luck whatsoever in this situation yet. They have sent 10 officials as a aid to help in this mission.

Any one surprised, no statement or any information from Boeing or NTSB (as US national was involved) ? I know too early to jump to a conclusion however no statements or whatsoever yet from those 2? (Unless I have missed it).
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:32 pm

if they turned off all communication and transporders, they could all be in pacific and people are looking in wrong places
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 142):
Looks like Chinese officials are frustrated that Malaysian authority haven't had any luck whatsoever in this situation yet. They have sent 10 officials as a aid to help in this mission.

Based on the content of the press conference, the apparently poor organization of the SAR effort, and the completely boneheaded reporting coming out of the country ("They look Asian, wait no they don't one of them is black, the plane turned around, wait no they didn't, a pilot made contact wait no he didn't"), they seem wholly incompetent - or at least incapable of dealing with a disaster of this magnitude. The more foreign assistance, the better.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 141):

December to February has got to be close enough, I'd think.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 124):
Quoting cbrboy (Reply 83):
Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 73):The tickets of the two suspect passengers were bought from an agency in Pattaya through an Iranian man

CRRBOY--That was not my posting. Check post #73. Someone made an error.

Apologies, DTWPurserBoy. I am certain that I highlighted text and pressed 'quote selected text'. I did not manually manipulate the quotes. Unfortunately this sort of misquote has happened to me before on a.net... some sort of system error occurring with quotes...
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:38 pm

The two stolen passport holders certainly seem less suspicious now.

To the poster who said terrorists don't care so much what flights they are on, that is demonstrably not the case. By that logic, the 9/11 hijackers would have been happy to have crashed 4 Namibian Dash 8s into the rainforest.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 129):
I don't think that terrorists necessarily target a specific flight if they plan to blow up a plane.

So you think they left it at the mercy of the travel agent in Pattaya which plane they would bring down? It could have been any company, going anywhere, flying presumably not only from KUL but also from BKK. And they would bomb it (and commit suicide) no matter what? Weird, to say the least. This, of course, doesn't mean that there was no foul play involved. Only, it makes ir more plausible that those two poor souls (presumably dead by now) were just trying to get illegally into Europe, and that the middle man (Mr. Ali) put them in the cheapest itinerary available.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:48 pm

Since MH's res system appears to not have had their invalid docs list updated since the PSPTs were reported as stolen in 2012 to Interpol, I wonder when KL's system was last updated? The reason I ask is that _at least_ by the time the PAX checked in for the MH flights there would be a SSR for DOCS or FOID with their PSPT and traveling credentials. When does KL check the docs: at PEK or at presentment of the SSR DOCS? It appears that the PAX were not checked-in to the KL legs by MH because the segments were showing as open and not CKIN or ARPT.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:49 pm

Without going through all those AF447 posts all over again, can anyone remember what the radar situation was like? I seem to remember that, in fairly short order, radar position data was published showing a signficant turn - is that correct? I don't think there was any altitude data though right? So in that instance, we had ACARS data showing that something crazy happened and radar data showing at least some positional information. Here we have absolutely nada after the flightradar24 plot ends.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:50 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 143):
if they turned off all communication and transporders, they could all be in pacific and people are looking in wrong places

Yeah, that's the only thing that makes me think hijack. It looks like they are looking in the totally wrong place. If the weather is good (it is), there is really no reason for someone not to have spotted something.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 136):
I am thinking that the stolen passports are red herrings. Why would a terrorist need a stolen passport? While it may be the case if he is unable to obtain a legitimate one, but most people can. I believe all of the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate passports. If it is a suicide mission then it will not matter.

That's exactly what I said in part 7. If you're on a one way trip, its frankly safer and smarter to use the real thing to get on board. I also think you'd want more than two people. If you have been around these 3rd world countries you know illegal immigrants do this all the time and sneaking into Europe is a common end point. I mean people go there by rafts of all things.

Quoting 345tas (Reply 147):
To the poster who said terrorists don't care so much what flights they are on, that is demonstrably not the case. By that logic,

I agree. Having said that, this plane had a low number of passengers like the 9/11 flights. That makes me a little suspicious but I still think its some type of accident. Maybe they lost electrical and RAM power and glided for sometime before crashing. Or perhaps they lost oxygen and went off course.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:51 pm

Is there a possibility that the aircraft went down on the South China Sea side of the Vietnamese pennisula and the rescue operations may be focusing on the wrong location? It could be that the aircraft still continued on its own power for a certain period of time before it went down. Loss of communications doesn't mean that everything went downhill at that moment. Or am I wrong?

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