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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:22 pm

It is worth pointing out that we have now seen two significant crashes of the 772 and twice (especially the last one (asiana)), the fuselages have remained intact.

Clearly there are many variables but based on the fuselage's past accident form it is a very good chance that once again the design proves its superiority again.

If that ends up being the case then the debris will be even more limited.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:23 pm

If you know the time a person checked in, you should be able to find them on the video fairly easily, then backtrack them through the airport.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 242):
I believe the CVR (and possibly FDR) can be shut off by pulling a breaker on the flight deck. This has been used as support for suicide theories in the past.

Indeed they can be shut off - Silk Air 185 was a case of pilot suicide and the NTSB believed that the FDR and CVR was shut off intentionally. When the CVR circuit breaker was pulled, there was just enough transient power in the circuit for the CVR to catch the sound of it's circuit breaker being pulled.

Auburn Calloway (who hijacked FedEx flight 705) pulled the circuit breakers for the FDR and CVR prior to take off, however it was noted during the pre-flight inspection and the flight engineer reset the breaker. Calloway's intention was to crash the DC-10 into FedEx headquarters and leave no record).

I can't recall if EgyptAir 990 had it's circuit breakers pulled...I think that the CVR remained functional until impact.

Mozambique Airlines Flight TM470 was a case of pilot suicide, but both the FDR and CVR remained functional until impact.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:26 pm

Did the spokesperson mean that no ACARS messages at all were sent, or that nothing but routine messages were sent?

I want to read "no signals" as meaning no anomalies were reported.  

No signals that anything was wrong?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 250):
It is worth pointing out that we have now seen two significant crashes of the 772 and twice (especially the last one (asiana)), the fuselages have remained intact.

Don't forget about Speedbird 38, but I don't know if you want to label it as significant as Asiana's.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:29 pm

"IRANIAN LINK TO VANISHED JET" https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/443130381106020352/photo/1

Oh gosh. I also got a phone alert from Israel's supposedly high-brow newspaper with the headline "Report: Iran bought the tickets for the two travellers on [blah blah blah]" - Note the assumption that this Ali guy is an Iranian government agent.

Personally, the nature in which the tickets were bought (changed from via AUH & DOH) makes these two seem a lot less suspicious. Not to mention Iran would have no reason currently known to kill Malaysians or Chinese.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:30 pm

Could it be a suicide crash where whoever did fly it wanted it to be hard to find in order to avoid the shame for the family of the pilot flying, transponder/ACARS/CVR/FDR fuses off then ditching the aircraft nicely after(if possible) forcing a decompression to make the PAX sleep!

Its a long shot but would it not be possible?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 250):

How could you miss an intact 777 fuselage in ~50 meters of water though?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 231):
not if the airplane crashed at a shallow angle- like a ditching angle. If no one was at the controls and the CG stayed consistent, then the airplane would fly, (up, down or level) at an airspeed around the cruise airspeed (IAS). so it could glide down and not crash at a high rate of speed.

What you explained is a very likely scenario but what would have prevented crew/pax from leaving the plane. Were they incapacitated? Did it sink like a rock?

OZ214 cartwheeling video is best evidence on how solid 777 is. Even if it brokeup on sea floor there wouldn't be much derbies compared to disintegration in air or on water surface.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 257):
How could you miss an intact 777 fuselage in ~50 meters of water though?

Visually, based on sunlight and how choppy the surface is you may not be able to see beyond 3 meters let alone 50 meters.

[Edited 2014-03-10 14:40:23]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:34 pm

Whew, we have already gone through 10 parts of this thread; each part with 250 posts without a single piece of debris being found. If i recall correctly, during the AF 447 disaster by the 10th part there were already confirmed sightings of debris. The MH370 disaster keeps getting more mysterious by the minute!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:34 pm

Wondering if anyone considered, if logical, of using SOSUS to possibly point the way to the plane's water impact point?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:38 pm

I think someone mentioned earlier that they had fuel for 7.4 hours.. so I made this calculation: 7.4 hours * 420 nm (is around that what a airplane flies in 1 hour) = 3108 nm * 1.852 = 5650 km
So I placed this radius over Kuala lumpur airport.

Then I created another radius after 1 hour of flying, 6.4 hours * 420 nm = 2688 nm * 1.852 = 4378 km.
So I placed a circle there where I GUESS that the plane lost contact.



Warning, this is only to have a little visualisation to see where they could have gone theoretically.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 259):
during the AF 447 disaster by the 10th part there were already confirmed sightings of debris.

I don't know at which time the debris were first seen, but with the case of AF447 there was at least the burst of data sent to Paris or Toulouse by the aircraft. So far, with MH370, we are still in the fog, a thick fog, at least officially.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:38 pm

Wow!!!

Looks like Scary Mary has been reading my posts on this site about the Bojinka Plot!!!

"The incident has some similarities to such incidents in the past, such as the 1994 bombing of a Philippine jetliner that investigators later learned was a test run for a wider plot to bomb numerous airliners, former U.S. Department of transportation Inspector General Mary Schiavo told CNN on Monday."

Geez, Mary, take it right from my posts on here and Straits Times, why don't ya!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 250):
It is worth pointing out that we have now seen two significant crashes of the 772 and twice (especially the last one (asiana)), the fuselages have remained intact.Clearly there are many variables but based on the fuselage's past accident form it is a very good chance that once again the design proves its superiority again.

With all due respect, that is simply untrue. We have seen two low speed crash landings where the aircraft basically stalled at very low speed. Most aircraft would have stayed largely intact under those conditions. We don't know anything yet about the speed at which MH370 impacted whatever it turns out to have impacted. Whether or not it is intact will depend on that one factor: speed.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:40 pm

The problem with wonderful tools like military satellites and SOSUS, etc. is that their capabilities are top secret. No one is suppose to know just how good (or bad) they are. Not even to find a plane.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:46 pm

Quoting ideekay (Reply 261):
I think someone mentioned earlier that they had fuel for 7.4 hours.. so I made this calculation: 7.4 hours * 420 nm (is around that what a airplane flies in 1 hour) = 3108 nm * 1.852 = 5650 km
So I placed this radius over Kuala lumpur airport.

They had fuel for 7.4 hours at cruise altitude and if they were at cruise altitude and off course then someone likely would have paid attention to the flight and tried to hail them. Failing that then I would think that they would send up some military aircraft to investigate.

If this plane was flying under the radar then it wouldn't have anywhere close to that range.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:49 pm

Hi All,

Part 11 has been created. Please continue the conversation here MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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