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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:24 am

What a terrible catastrophe, I feel sad and frightened 


I know that at the present stage we do not know anything yet. BUT, in the case it was a bomb....... it could also be that it was not intended for this flight but for the continuation flights to Europe on which the holders of the stolen passports were apparently booked.....
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:29 am

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 150):
Next news conference at 10am... in 37mins

Is there anywhere that these can be watched live online?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:32 am

When I heard the Mario Balotelli thing, I didn't think it was meant literally.

I took it as the official saying that not everyone with an Italian name looks stereotypically Italian. Something got lost in the telling and the nuance was missed, rather than the official saying that the person literally looked like Mario Balotelli.

[Edited 2014-03-10 18:33:23]
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:34 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 144):
As a possible example - the aircraft is on the ground at a closed military airport and a military/ hijacker standoff is underway. Authorities are keeping up the search to confuse the hijackers and to try to keep the situation isolated for passenger safety.

That's a wild, crazy speculation. Not worth anything but a bad novel.

No way, the SAR effort is costing millions of dollars per day, and there's no precedence for dealing with a hijacking in this manner.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:40 am

This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off? This is an extremely expensive venture that I can't imagine the countries involved are willing to foot the bill for much longer. There will certainly be private recovery missions and funding in the future, but how much can a large scale mission such as this last?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:42 am

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 155):
This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off? This is an extremely expensive venture that I can't imagine the countries involved are willing to foot the bill for much longer. There will certainly be private recovery missions and funding in the future, but how much can a large scale mission such as this last?

With all the publicity, it will probably last for a while... Unless they find some kind of info to elude to what happened. After they stop, the insurance companies will surely pony up some cash to find the plane.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting todareisinger (Reply 151):
in the case it was a bomb....... it could also be that it was not intended for this flight but for the continuation flights to Europe on which the holders of the stolen passports were apparently booked

Exactly, wouldn't be the first time a defective timer was used by terrorists/criminals.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 156):
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 155):
This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off? This is an extremely expensive venture that I can't imagine the countries involved are willing to foot the bill for much longer. There will certainly be private recovery missions and funding in the future, but how much can a large scale mission such as this last?

With all the publicity, it will probably last for a while... Unless they find some kind of info to elude to what happened. After they stop, the insurance companies will surely pony up some cash to find the plane.

I agree. I highly doubt it would be called off without finding anything. Who would just accept that a 777 or any commercial aircraft goes missing in 2014 without any answers?
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 152):
Is there anywhere that these can be watched live online?

This is where i watch the press conferences live:

http://www.astroawani.com/videos/live

This channel is not in english but the press conferences are in english.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting philask (Reply 154):
No way, the SAR effort is costing millions of dollars per day, and there's no precedence for dealing with a hijacking in this manner.

Agreed. Authorities would surely alert other governments if this was the case and they'd be 1) pretty ticked 2) would end SAR missions quickly to avoid the costs of the operation.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 155):

This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off?

I could see the bulk of SAR teams being called off in a few days, leaving local countries to lead the effort. I.E. I could see the USA/Australia etc pulling out until main wreckage is found, then again send support once remains are found. China may stick around since a bulk of the pax, iirc, were Chinese. Your're correct, there is a ton of cost to mobilizing such a huge SAR operation. With no ELT, black box, debris field, etc, I think efforts will be scaled back, as there is literally almost nothing to go on at this point.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:48 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 158):
I agree. I highly doubt it would be called off without finding anything. Who would just accept that a 777 or any commercial aircraft goes missing in 2014 without any answers?

The only way they would call it off without finding the bulk of the aircraft is if:

1. they find black boxes
2. they somehow found radar recordings showing a rapid decent and crash
3. if they were to find nothing for over 1 year...
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:49 am

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 159):

Thank you...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 156):

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 155):
This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off? This is an extremely expensive venture that I can't imagine the countries involved are willing to foot the bill for much longer. There will certainly be private recovery missions and funding in the future, but how much can a large scale mission such as this last?

With all the publicity, it will probably last for a while... Unless they find some kind of info to elude to what happened. After they stop, the insurance companies will surely pony up some cash to find the plane.

Indeed. They'll keep looking until they find something, probably for years if it gets to that. However if they don't find anything within another few days or weeks, the effort will be scaled down gradually.

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 152):
Quoting stuyyz (Reply 150):
Next news conference at 10am... in 37mins

Is there anywhere that these can be watched live online?

You can probably watch it on some news channel websites. Try Sky News perhaps.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:52 am

just seeing on twitter that the 10am press conference has been postponed without explanation...
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:53 am

I've seen a few references to the ACARS system, but if there has been a clear answer to my question I've missed it and apologize.
Does a 777 have ACARS? If so is it "always on," or can it be turned "off." Is ACARS optional equipment for a 777? If so, why would an airline NOT want it?
Thanks!
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 140):
The Chinese government owns Boeings - not 777s but they've had access to (IIRC) a 737, 747, and 767. Remember the whole mess over the bugged 767?

Air China (not directly owned by Chinese Government) owns 777s
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:56 am

Quoting flydeltajets (Reply 166):
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 140):
The Chinese government owns Boeings - not 777s but they've had access to (IIRC) a 737, 747, and 767. Remember the whole mess over the bugged 767?

Air China (not directly owned by Chinese Government) owns 777s

They are an excellent product too! Their new 777-300ER is great, even in economy class...
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:56 am

I have mentioned this on thread 7 but since no one replied to it, here it goes again:

The media says Subang ATC lost contact with MH370 near IGARI position, on the border with Vietnamese ATC.

However, this is not accurate according to the charts.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x255/danielvs/MH370_zpsadd0f6e7.png

As you can see from above, MH370 was exiting SINGAPOREAN ATC area, and NOT Malaysian.
If MH370 was under Singaporean radar control, why don't we have any info on what Singaporean controllers saw or did not see?

Quoting PROSA (Reply 68):
Something I haven't seen mentioned (though I might have missed it) is that MH suffered one of the first A330 hull losses back in 2000, due to the leakage of hazardous chemicals in the cargo. Could that be a hint as to what happened here?

I was wondering... Is it a sheer coincidence that the airplane vanished from ADS-B coverage (assuming the event took place at this time) at the exact moment it was turning right for the second time into the flight? (the first one being right after takeoff). I was thinking of 1) dislodgment of dangerous cargo or... 2) stress over a fatigued and badly mended wingtip (following the repairs we all know about).

[Edited 2014-03-10 18:59:22]
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:57 am

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 165):

Many 777s do have ACARS yes, but I'm pretty sure this one did not.
EDIT - As later pointed out, yes this plane has ACARS capabilities. Its just that I'm pretty sure MH doesn't pay for this service.
I'm pretty sure ACARS isn't exactly cheap - so its not worth it for how rare events such as these are.
If money didn't matter, every jet would have ACARS.

[Edited 2014-03-10 19:00:41]

[Edited 2014-03-10 19:01:26]

[Edited 2014-03-10 19:06:27]
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 163):
Indeed. They'll keep looking until they find something, probably for years if it gets to that. However if they don't find anything within another few days or weeks, the effort will be scaled down gradually.

Since a lot of Chinese citizens are involved and a US manufactured plane in question I think there will a lot of pressure to find this plane and figure out what happened since 777 is the most popular plane flying around and a lot of lives are at stake . This is a very high profile incident (especially given the doubts of a terrorism angle as well due to the stolen passports) and most of the citizens belong to a country that has a lot of international clout. China pressing into service 10 military satellites says a lot (i doubt if such a public deployment of satellites to find a plan has been done before).

[Edited 2014-03-10 19:07:57]
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting danvs (Reply 168):
1) dislodgment of dangerous cargo or... 2) stress over a fatigued and badly mended wingtip (following the repairs we all know about).

1. there would have been some kind of debris...

2. Though I could be woefully wrong, and I would appreciate someone with more knowledge commenting, but can't the aircraft withstand the last 4 feet or so of the wing coming off and not fall out of the sky?

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 169):
I'm pretty sure ACARS isn't exactly cheap - so its not worth it for how rare events such as these are.
If money didn't matter, every jet would have ACARS.

I think most Airlines have ACARS installed, as it provides a vital link to the aircraft and systems.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:03 am

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 165):

I've seen a few references to the ACARS system, but if there has been a clear answer to my question I've missed it and apologize.
Does a 777 have ACARS? If so is it "always on," or can it be turned "off." Is ACARS optional equipment for a 777? If so, why would an airline NOT want it?
Thanks!

AFAIK 777s have ACARS, that is the hardware, as standard. However the hardware doesn't do anything unless you activate the reporting service. This is a paid service which it seems MH does not have. Thus no automated ACARS reporting.

Quoting danvs (Reply 168):
I was wondering... Is it a sheer coincidence that the airplane vanished from ADS-B coverage (assuming the event took place at this time) at the exact moment it was turning right for the second time into the flight? (the first one being right after takeoff). I was thinking of 1) dislodgment of dangerous cargo or... 2) stress over a fatigued and badly mended wingtip (following the repairs we all know about).

Interesting, and there might be something to that. I would note, though, that ADS-B data isn't exactly super-precise so any conclusions must be tentative.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:06 am

So here is a question, why doesn't Boeing/AB just attach a hydrostatic EPRIB in the tail section? I know the ELT does practically the same thing for land crashes.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:06 am

I was reading, with interest, some of the info about the Captain. One of the items that struck me was that he had created a 777 simulator at home...which I thought was fascinating.

In the interest of leaving no stone unturned...have the authorities checked that simulator to see if there are any "interesting" scenarios on it?

While I highly doubt the Captain hijacked his aircraft for whatever reason...it doesn't hurt to take a look at it and cross it off the list.

I sincerely apologize if anyone is offended by this suggestion. Just trying to think of anything that could shed some light on this amazing story.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:07 am

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 169):
I'm pretty sure ACARS isn't exactly cheap - so its not worth it for how rare events such as these are.
If money didn't matter, every jet would have ACARS.

ACARS doesn't exist for situations like this. It's pretty standard equipment for operating...most regional jets even have it.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:08 am

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 174):
In the interest of leaving no stone unturned...have the authorities checked that simulator to see if there are any "interesting" scenarios on it?

Excellent thought. I'd be interesting to know what, if anything, was on that simulator as well.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 174):
While I highly doubt the Captain hijacked his aircraft for whatever reason...it doesn't hurt to take a look at it and cross it off the list.

I sincerely apologize if anyone is offended by this suggestion. Just trying to think of anything that could shed some light on this amazing story.

I don't think anything can be ruled out at this point there than the plane landing at PEK...

I also don't think anyone should be offended by the notion that the Captains flight sim should be inspected to see if everything was on the up and up.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 175):

I'm by no means an ACARS expert. From previous posts, I've read that for whatever reason, this plane was not trackable with it - whether its because MH hasn't paid for its usage or due to crash location I don't know.
Bottom line is ACARS doesn't seem to help in this case.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 171):
but can't the aircraft withstand the last 4 feet or so of the wing coming off and not fall out of the sky?

Even if it does withstand, one must consider a worst-case scenario where the detached piece slams into the vertical or horizontal stabilizer etc.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:12 am

Quoting danvs (Reply 168):
As you can see from above, MH370 was exiting SINGAPOREAN ATC area, and NOT Malaysian.
If MH370 was under Singaporean radar control, why don't we have any info on what Singaporean controllers saw or did not see?

I dint know, but I would like to know.

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[Edited 2014-03-10 19:16:05]
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:12 am

Quoting danvs (Reply 168):
As you can see from above, MH370 was exiting SINGAPOREAN ATC area, and NOT Malaysian.

Not necessarily.

The flight was crossing the corner of the WSJC FIR (Flight Information Region) and either the ATC could have been delegated to Malaysia since they would have the only radar coverage of the area. Singapore would only have Oceanic Control in the area, not radar ATC control.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:14 am

Amazing how wild the speculation is now, which isn't terribly surprising though considering the circumstances.

I fly this route quite often, and I cannot even fathom how not even a single piece of floating debris has been picked up yet in such a crowded area of the world. A lot of fishing activity, oil and gas platforms, and decent weather to top it all off.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:14 am

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 174):
I was reading, with interest, some of the info about the Captain. One of the items that struck me was that he had created a 777 simulator at home...which I thought was fascinating.

In the interest of leaving no stone unturned...have the authorities checked that simulator to see if there are any "interesting" scenarios on it?

While I highly doubt the Captain hijacked his aircraft for whatever reason...it doesn't hurt to take a look at it and cross it off the list.

I sincerely apologize if anyone is offended by this suggestion. Just trying to think of anything that could shed some light on this amazing story.

No, I think that's a legit question to ask.

I said a bit earlier that one uncomfortable scenario is that the lack of communication opportunity/attempt in a hijacking could be explained by crew involvement, sort of like Debt of Honor by Tom Clancy (without that crashing into the Capitol).

It would make sense that he would practice something if he were involved.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:20 am

***opinion***

I was discussing with my colleague yesterday about this flight.
Can I just check what usually is the standard protocol when an airliner is found off the radar?
Will the air force jets be deployed to do a look out for the missing airliner? If yes, how long after the missing status is reported?

If this fateful airliner has exploded in mid air, the question would be who has planted the bomb and how it gone undetected?
How many explosives (say C-4) will be required to make an airliner this size to "vanish" in small pieces?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:26 am

Am I only one that thinks that they'll eventually find out the reason for the crash is something not crazy and it's just taking them a while to find it?

I'm not hating on those speculating but some of the ideas being thrown around are absolutely ridiculous. I know a structural failure leading to a crash and them taking unusually long to find it is more 'boring' but still seems a lot more plausible than the crazy crap being discussed.

Just my 2¢... the ocean is a big place, even in a crowded area. It's 2014 but there are still gaps in our technology and maybe this supposed crash will lead to some changes in that area
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:27 am

Did any search craft reach that alleged debris field southeast of Vietnam before last light on the 10th? I haven't seen anything that's said the debris field was reached and discounted yet.

(Seeing this on AvHerald, btw... Not sure if it was discussed. Looking at the thread summary, I think it might have been, but not sure)
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:28 am

We seem to have determined that MH had not paid for the service of sending things automatically back to MX. I would guess all the 777s are like that or is it just this one. I also like the thought of checking the computer of the captain, that could be expanded and go the first officer/crew even paxs. Something would be bound to show up if it was terrorism related.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 186):

That's what I'm waiting to hear about too.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:32 am

To think outside the box would if it was as simple as they lost GPS and got lost. It takes me back to the two planes that went missing from OAK-HNL where GPS was taken down to help the space shuttle and it took a while before gps was linked to the crash. What about other gosht planes. History does tend to repeat itself.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:34 am

Quoting Mark2fly1034 (Reply 187):
We seem to have determined that MH had not paid for the service of sending things automatically back to MX. I would guess all the 777s are like that or is it just this one. I also like the thought of checking the computer of the captain, that could be expanded and go the first officer/crew even paxs. Something would be bound to show up if it was terrorism related.

I think it had ACARS but no ACARS messages after the time the aircraft disappeared. Unfortunately, the quote is ambiguous.

Quote:
"There were no signals from ACARS from the time the aircraft disappeared," a source involved in the investigations said.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...sia-airlines-idUSBREA291D520140310
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:34 am

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 186):

Did any search craft reach that alleged debris field southeast of Vietnam before last light on the 10th? I haven't seen anything that's said the debris field was reached and discounted yet.

I believe it was posted that that debris field was discounted as being associated with the incident.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:34 am

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 186):
Did any search craft reach that alleged debris field southeast of Vietnam before last light on the 10th? I haven't seen anything that's said the debris field was reached and discounted yet.

(Seeing this on AvHerald, btw... Not sure if it was discussed. Looking at the thread summary, I think it might have been, but not sure)
Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 188):
That's what I'm waiting to hear about too.

I don't know specifically about that piece... but the latest news reports are that nothing potentially belonging to MH370 has been found, and that all pieces found were nothing but ocean trash. Though I am unsure if that piece was specifically included in those reports.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:36 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 171):
2. Though I could be woefully wrong, and I would appreciate someone with more knowledge commenting, but can't the aircraft withstand the last 4 feet or so of the wing coming off and not fall out of the sky?

Back in the late 60s, a US Navy WC-121 (Lockheed Super Constellation) stuck a wing-tip tank into the eyewall of a typhoon in the South China Sea. The wing was torn off the aircraft at the #4 engine, along with the engine. The plane was able to fly safely out of the typhoon at low level, and land at Subic.

Losing four or ten feet of wing should not have made the aircraft unflyable - though it might have created a very quick, unexpected roll.

Quoting JettTracer (Reply 184):
Can I just check what usually is the standard protocol when an airliner is found off the radar?

First try to reestablish contact. Happens dozens of times every day around the world. Almost always within an hour the aircraft is able to report back in.

Quoting JettTracer (Reply 184):
Will the air force jets be deployed to do a look out for the missing airliner? If yes, how long after the missing status is reported?

Depends upon how the responsible nation is setup. In the US and most European countries - Coast Guard would be the first notified and set to search. Any aircraft in the area would be asked to look out for the aircraft. Back when VQ-1 lost an A-3 Skywarrior in the Philippine Sea - a Pan Am B747 diverted and provided VHF comm relay with the troubled aircraft until the crew bailed out. The Pan Am pilots offered to divert 100nm farther to try to overfly the last known position, but the men were picked up by a JMSDF ship.

Only if there is an indication that the ''missing airliner" went down would there be a 'scramble' but all available aircraft. Just going missing doesn't result in that response in most locations. Missing airliners out of contact for over an hour are a very, very rare occurrence so each case really is handled individually based on local capability.

Quoting JettTracer (Reply 184):
How many explosives (say C-4) will be required to make an airliner this size to "vanish" in small pieces?

Explosives would leave a huge debris field - easily found at daylight. Enough C-4 to make a B777 vanish would be more weight than the plane could carry, and it would have to be very carefully distributed through the fuselage, wings and empennage to create that much destruction.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:37 am

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

Thought I'd share this here. This website has satellite images that were taken last sunday. Anyone can go through them and tag anything unusual or familiar. Bit of crowdsourcing might help.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:38 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 185):
Am I only one that thinks that they'll eventually find out the reason for the crash is something not crazy and it's just taking them a while to find it?

Certainly not.

I'm all for reasonable speculation, but some of the things being thrown about here are simply beyond comprehension.

Odds are that it was some sort of benign technical fault or episode of human error.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:38 am

I'm sticking with the plane being down in the IGARI area. SAR has either missed it, or there was, for whatever reason, very little floating debris.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:39 am

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 115):
Also, I didn't post this one before, but here is a remote airstrip in the desert: http://g.co/maps/375xc - again, not that MH370 had the range for this in particular, but I am sure there are others.

I would say this is clearly a practice/bombing range, as can be seen from numerous bomb craters at the top of the "airfield". In addition to that, there is clearly no markings and no other activity at this "airfield" apart from a few bunkers and a single jet surrounded by - something, but also physically detached from the rest of the taxiways/runways.

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 129):
Agreed, but Russia and North Korea are hardly forth coming.

Sorry, but I doubt Russia would have any interest to withold information about possible radar returns, if they had any. What would be Russian interest not to disclose such info? Actually, they'd probably be very happy to do it and proclaim their "superior radar technology" or such...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:40 am

What would happen if they never find anything? Would it be possible that it was sucked into another universe via a wormhole? I think there was an episode on this from "The outer limits"
whereby the train kept going forever.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:42 am

 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11

Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:44 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 185):
Am I only one that thinks that they'll eventually find out the reason for the crash is something not crazy and it's just taking them a while to find it?

Nope. Count me in.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 185):
It's 2014 but there are still gaps in our technology and maybe this supposed crash will lead to some changes in that area

  
When we look back 5 years from now the SAR effort could be as big a story as the (assumed) crash.

Quoting Mark2fly1034 (Reply 189):
the two planes that went missing from OAK-HNL where GPS was taken down to help the space shuttle and it took a while before gps was linked to the crash.

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