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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:13 am

It's an exaggeration, I know..but still



 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 45):

Boston or rather New England has a substantial South Asian or rather Indian population along with other Middle East population to cater to the demand. This includes leisure travelers as well as business and certainly the college crowd. I think Emirates was one of the best catch from Boston and it gave me a chuckle when I saw a picture from chrisnh - that's really true. The usual US based airlines kept ignoring Boston by offering the usual hub-to-hub flights - and would give some lessons to the airline route coordinators when they keep checking housefull flights from BOS that has nothing to do with their so-called hubs.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:04 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 51):
The usual US based airlines kept ignoring Boston by offering the usual hub-to-hub flights

Indeed. Aside from a token effort by Delta (what else would you call it?), none of the usual suspects...AA, UA, US...care a bit about Boston internationally. The thinking always has been, "Yeah...you get yourself down to JFK, EWR, IAD, PHL...and THEN we'll be happy to talk." This myopic thinking really took hold when our domestic airlines were hemorrhaging money and really had to 'pick their spots.' And that's OK! We know Boston isn't New York. We get that. But Emirates and JAL and Turkish...they recognized something else: That Boston is a big and profitable market unto itself.

Truth be told, I kind of like how BOS is evolving. I'd much rather see Emirates and others carrying people into and out of Logan than a bunch of tired UA, AA, and US 757s....which is all we'd get.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:20 am

Emirates launched its daily, non-stop service between Dubai and Boston yesterday. Boston becomes the airline’s eighth US destination and the 142nd on its global network which links key tourism and trading destinations across six continents. Here are some photos from the inaugural flight — at Boston Logan International Airport.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:00 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 37):
Does TK do many European transfers to the US? I know it's out of the way for some routes, but I'm sure there are some who do fly via IST.

Lots, myself and my family included. any destinationation in Eastern or Central Europe is in play via IST, IMO. When they introduced BOS they were selling tickets to just about anywhere in Europe, from BOS, for $700 all in, for the Summer. That is unheard of. We're flying BOS-IST-SZG for $740/pp in July. Everyone else wanted at least $1200/pp to fly into MUC instead. LH wanted $1500 to fly into SZG. When you have a family of 3 or 4 that's a no-brainer and it saves us a 2 hr drive to/from MUC. The beauty of TK is that we can now get to all of these secondary cities that were either not accessible on a 1-stop, or if they were the prices were too high.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 36):

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

What about remote stands? Yes it's hardly ideal, but in some parts of the world its common for widebody flights.
The old hong kong airport it was normal, it happens all the time in the ME hubs including DXB, and even in FRA it's not out of the question. So this would be a relatively cheap way to accommodate the A380 on a regular basis. As for the taxi ways, without seeing them its hard to comment but for my own home airport when it was upgraded for regular A380 opeartions (EK sends it in a few times a day now here in BNE/DXB BNE/AKLBNE ) it was mostly just sealing the edges of taxi ways to accommodate for jetblast further out from engines one and 4. This didn't need to be load bearing the existing runway can handle the 747 no problem, it was just the greater wingspan and further distance from engines 1 and 4 meant jet blast further out and we didn't want the grass being ripped up all the time. BOS doesn't have one spot they could use as a remote stand and bus the PAX?

CBP would never allow a scheduled remote operation in BOS, and balk at the idea even when there is no other option. Using 1 jetbridge for an A380 is tough, I can't imagine a remote operation - BOS is not setup for either. It will be some time before BOS sees a scheduled A380, however saying that I will acknowledge that money talks, and if EK really wants it...it will happen with the proper application of political pressure and $$

Quoting miaintl (Reply 45):
How big is the Boston-South Asia market vis-a-vis Miami? I am surprised this flight is doing so well. Who would have known there was such a large Asian population in Boston.

Look at the colleges...this is where a majority of the traffic comes from to begin with.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 52):

Chris, completely agree with your thought process, I once flew US Airways from PHL to MAD and honestly it was my worst international experience. Anyways who cares now. BOS has lot more options and I'd like the United, Delta, and AAs to take some lessons at MIT or Harvard by traveling to BOS as refresher courses on how they should weigh their profitability and choose their routes and their so-called hubs. We are still going to be stuck for a while with domestic routes esp. when it comes to Midwest or deep South since B6 doesn't have enough leverage - maybe in the future things will change when the airlines come back from their refresher courses.

EK413 - thank you for sharing the pics.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 45):

How big is the Boston-South Asia market vis-a-vis Miami? I am surprised this flight is doing so well. Who would have known there was such a large Asian population in Boston.

It's substantial - the large technology sector in Boston drives a ton of traffic to and from India.

The other huge driver of traffic to/from the ME is the medical industry - not just medical students from the middle east, but patients, and other periphery medical industries.

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 52):
Indeed. Aside from a token effort by Delta (what else would you call it?), none of the usual suspects...AA, UA, US...care a bit about Boston internationally. The thinking always has been, "Yeah...you get yourself down to JFK, EWR, IAD, PHL...and THEN we'll be happy to talk." This myopic thinking really took hold when our domestic airlines were hemorrhaging money and really had to 'pick their spots.' And that's OK! We know Boston isn't New York. We get that. But Emirates and JAL and Turkish...they recognized something else: That Boston is a big and profitable market unto itself.

Truth be told, I kind of like how BOS is evolving. I'd much rather see Emirates and others carrying people into and out of Logan than a bunch of tired UA, AA, and US 757s....which is all we'd get.

Agree 100%. Recently, someone posted the top US markets. The Boston area was the only one in the top 10 that is not a hub for a major US airline. I get why they don't want to establish another hub so close to NYC, but that thinking creates a significant opportunity for foreign carriers to make a lot of money flying these international routes.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 55):
CBP would never allow a scheduled remote operation in BOS, and balk at the idea even when there is no other option. Using 1 jetbridge for an A380 is tough, I can't imagine a remote operation

I personally don't find the terminal and lack of upper deck jet bridge limitations to be an issue simply because EK does not and will not operate an A380 during the typical afternoon rush hour. Not too long ago many airports including LAX were using only 1 jetbridge to service 744's. Some probably still are. That's not any better than using 2 lower deck jetbridges to service an A380. BOS can do that very easily.

As for the passenger holding area, the current schedule has the flight departing around 11PM. Terminal E is a ghost town after 9pm. More importantly, I fully expect this flight to move to a morning/mid-morning operating schedule once the DXB runway work is completed, similar to JL's schedule and EK's schedule at JFK and IAD. At that time terminal E is also a ghost town and there are plenty of available gates. So like I said before, terminal and gate limitations are the least of the problems for an EK A380 at BOS. The bigger problem is airfield limitations of which taxiway widening is probably the biggest issue.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:39 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 45):
How big is the Boston-South Asia market vis-a-vis Miami? I am surprised this flight is doing so well. Who would have known there was such a large Asian population in Boston.

This flight is way overdue so it should not be a surprise that it is doing so well. In addition to the education and health care industries, Boston is a pretty big asset management center, probably bigger than either education or health care. There are tons of pretty wealthy Middle East investors - private and institutional (SWFs) - whose money is managed in Boston (not only in Boston obviously) and this creates a pretty substantial and regular premium traffic. In fact, I would have expected Etihad to start Boston before EK simply because Abu Dhabi has so so so much money managed overseas.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 23):
Space is going to continue to be an issue. Physically, the only place to expand is to where the hangars are now. That would have all sorts of challenges, not the least of which is that those hangars presumably have uses, even with the AA and DL shrink over the years. It does not appear that there is room for another "satellite' terminal, a la Delta.

How about moving Southwest elsewhere? That would free up gates at the end of the terminal facing Term C. While these are too tight for widebodies, a number of BOS international operations are conducted with 737s (Copa), A320s (B6) and 757s (FI).
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:35 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 55):
CBP would never allow a scheduled remote operation in BOS

Why? It's done elsewhere, what's special about BOS, that remote stands won't work?

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 16):
One thing I would like to take the chance and ask, why is EK's total airfare including a smaller proportion of 'fees and taxes' in a typical air ticket? For example, the total costs for a flight from UK to Asia will be similar on EK and LH, however, the base fare will be lower in LH than EK while the 'taxes and fees' are higher in LH, any reason why?

Taxes are Government imposed fees. They should be the same for any airline operating between the same city pair. 'Fees' are carrier-imposed charges, most often the fuel surcharge. Some airlines start out with low base fares and then have a high fuel surcharge. Other carriers have high base fares and low fuel surcharge. As all the money goes to the airline the base fare and fuel surcharge are effectively just two parts of the overall fare for the carrier.
One reason one Emirates goes with the low fare/high fuel surcharge in some markets is because it is easier to adjust the fuel surcharge than refile new fares. The other is of course that in a fare display that an agent sees, having lower base fares will put their fares at the top of the table. EK only does this in some markets though, usually in markets where the competition does the same thing.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:28 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 58):
I personally don't find the terminal and lack of upper deck jet bridge limitations to be an issue simply because EK does not and will not operate an A380 during the typical afternoon rush hour. Not too long ago many airports including LAX were using only 1 jetbridge to service 744's. Some probably still are. That's not any better than using 2 lower deck jetbridges to service an A380. BOS can do that very easily.

As for the passenger holding area, the current schedule has the flight departing around 11PM. Terminal E is a ghost town after 9pm. More importantly, I fully expect this flight to move to a morning/mid-morning operating schedule once the DXB runway work is completed, similar to JL's schedule and EK's schedule at JFK and IAD. At that time terminal E is also a ghost town and there are plenty of available gates. So like I said before, terminal and gate limitations are the least of the problems for an EK A380 at BOS. The bigger problem is airfield limitations of which taxiway widening is probably the biggest issue.

The 2 jetbridges has nothing to do with the traffic in the terminal, its efficient boarding. With 2 jetbridges on an A380 it already takes 45min to board, and thats with 1 on the main deck and 1 on the upper deck - most airports try to have 3 jetbridges available for an A380. Now if you only have 1 on the main deck, aside from the pax on the upper deck having to climb the staircase to the upper deck, just boarding that many people through a single jetbridge would take at least 1 hour and quite possibly longer, and the experience would just suck. Not EK or anyone's style. 1 jetbridge on a 744 isn't apples to apples, you only have a few pax going upstairs as compared to an A380.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 61):
Why? It's done elsewhere, what's special about BOS, that remote stands won't work?

Gemuser

Remote stands aren't the issue, its the arriving international pax and CBP.

I know of no other major US airports that allow scheduled international aircraft to deplane on a remote stand. I have seen it in Europe and other locations, but not in the US. I may be wrong but the only airport which comes close is IAD where the pax deplane into mobile lounges when an aircraft is parked at a remote stand and are taken to the INS hall. Why can't international pax deplane from a hardstand? Who knows...go ask CBP, and let me know if they give you an answer.

I've heard more than once they are mostly concerned about the passengers arriving and then having to take a bus to the terminal and in their opinion there is a greater risk for contraband to be brought in, stowaways, etc. I've also heard if a pax touches US soil prior to clearing immigration they are able to claim asylum status.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):
I know of no other major US airports that allow scheduled international aircraft to deplane on a remote stand.

I am pretty sure it is/was done at LAX, so it is possible, just less convenient than at the terminal. Obviously for it to work proper controls would have to be put in place but it could be done.

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):
I've also heard if a pax touches US soil prior to clearing immigration they are able to claim asylum status.

I presume you mean when you step off the stairs and on to the bus. How is stepping on to a concrete slab any more touching US soil than stepping into a building on US soil?

Not saying that remote stands don't require special arrangements, and government entities like the TSA are are hard to change but it just requires the application of $$$s and political pressure, so it could happen.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):

The 2 jetbridges has nothing to do with the traffic in the terminal, its efficient boarding. With 2 jetbridges on an A380 it already takes 45min to board, and thats with 1 on the main deck and 1 on the upper deck - most airports try to have 3 jetbridges available for an A380. Now if you only have 1 on the main deck, aside from the pax on the upper deck having to climb the staircase to the upper deck, just boarding that many people through a single jetbridge would take at least 1 hour and quite possibly longer, and the experience would just suck. Not EK or anyone's style. 1 jetbridge on a 744 isn't apples to apples, you only have a few pax going upstairs as compared to an A380.

Correct but I never suggested using only 1 jetway. I said 2 lower deck jetways. I was comparing a 744 with 1 jetway vs. an A380 with 2 main deck jetways.
EK's upper deck only has 90 seats. It shouldn't take all that long to board. I agree, it's not very glamorous.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):
I know of no other major US airports that allow scheduled international aircraft to deplane on a remote stand. I have seen it in Europe and other locations, but not in the US. I may be wrong but the only airport which comes close is IAD where the pax deplane into mobile lounges when an aircraft is parked at a remote stand and are taken to the INS hall. Why can't international pax deplane from a hardstand? Who knows...go ask CBP, and let me know if they give you an answer.

I've heard more than once they are mostly concerned about the passengers arriving and then having to take a bus to the terminal and in their opinion there is a greater risk for contraband to be brought in, stowaways, etc. I've also heard if a pax touches US soil prior to clearing immigration they are able to claim asylum status.

At IAD Once you are in the mobile lounge, you are on US soil and won't one be able to claim asylum?
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):
I know of no other major US airports that allow scheduled international aircraft to deplane on a remote stand.
Quoting alphaomega (Reply 63):
I've heard more than once they are mostly concerned about the passengers arriving and then having to take a bus to the terminal and in their opinion there is a greater risk for contraband to be brought in, stowaways, etc. I've also heard if a pax touches US soil prior to clearing immigration they are able to claim asylum status.

I don't think there is anything to this claim, at all. I have deplaned on a remote stand at JFK Terminal 4 twice - once when arriving from CUN, and once when arriving from SXM. We had to take a bus to the terminal, which dropped us off right in line for CBP.

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