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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 29):
Not if the correct nav systems were turned off.

There was more probably an electrical malfunction.

I think they had a major mechanical problem resulting in a complete electrical failure. Most probably the pilots struggled with a crippled plane without electrics. Somehow they did not make it back.

The mechanical failure could be the result of an Engine failure or other catastrophic failure.

But this thought that pilots turned things off intetionally is not likely I Think.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:46 pm

I would say, as a guess: follow the heading from the point they turned around to pulau perak with a sar on a certain altitude and fly on that heading for an hr or two further than pulau perak. It might help finding it. With that little evidence they seem to have it is worth trying. Isnt it?

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:47 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 198):
OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY CHIEF OF ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE ON BERITA HARIAN NEWS ARTICLE DATED 11th MARCH 2014 ON SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS IN THE STRAITS OF MALACCA

Alright. That means back to square one. It could still be anywhere.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:48 pm

Quoting Navigator (Reply 200):
But this thought that pilots turned things off intetionally is not likely I Think.

It's just as likely as your hypothesis. Your theory does not account for the lack of any wreckage or any sign of the aircraft. Even without electrical power, a 777 can be flown with the help of the RAT.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:49 pm

CNN reporting right now with confidence that the plane turned around when it went off radar between Malaysia and Vietnam, BUT flew for another hour to hour and half across Malaysia and around in the Strait of Malacca. This from CNN right now via a senior Malaysian Air Force officer. It stopped transponding between Malaysia and Vietnam when it lost contact with ATC.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 199):
Quoting socalgeo (Reply 197):2000 mile buffer around Pulau Perak:

I don't think that includes reserves though.

Any thoughts on what distance I should use for the buffer? Anyone care to make an estimate of the potential range after flying 600 or so miles?

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:50 pm

One thing that is interesting is that if it did go down in the Straits of Malacca there is so much shipping traffic in that area that I would not be surprised if a vessel ends up seeing something.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 198):
OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY CHIEF OF ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE

Is this for real? And I see CNN has taken down the page linked to already!

Since I am not there in person I have to trust the media (I know, I know but even some of the reporting has to be correct) to relate comments as said and not scrambled. Isn't this why everyone has a recorder, even though language and background noise may complicate things.

So far we've had several miss-comment or miss-reports:

- That five pax bags were offloaded as reported by the aviation minister then denied by the head of MAS.
- That one of the likely asylum seekers was black when clearly he was not.
- That the plane turned and was tracked by the military, now not.

Am I missing any?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:52 pm

If the plane crossed the Malaysian peninsula and got over the straits of Malacca, It's a fairly straight shot over the Indian Ocean far from anyone's radar, and into Iran. Guessing that if the plane is intact, it's in a hangar on an Iranian military base somewhere getting a paint job to match a middle eastern carrier that flies 777s. From there, it's not far to wreaking some major havoc.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:53 pm

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 204):
CNN reporting right now with confidence that the plane turned around when it went off radar between Malaysia and Vietnam, BUT flew for another hour to hour and half across Malaysia and around in the Strait of Malacca. This from CNN right now via a senior Malaysian Air Force officer. It stopped transponding between Malaysia and Vietnam when it lost contact with ATC.

This is simply sobering and now creates a whole new list of plausible scenarios
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:53 pm

Hi fellow A.netters!

I know this is pure speculation and fantasy, but what if the plane is landed in some remote strip (maybe assuming that the pilots are in the plot), hijackers are demanding some ransom, and government meanwhile is covering the whole thing by "searching" here and there...

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:53 pm

So we are back to IGARI as the last known position then?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:54 pm

Quoting socalgeo (Reply 205):
Any thoughts on what distance I should use for the buffer? Anyone care to make an estimate of the potential range after flying 600 or so miles?

Direct flight distance from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing seems to be around 2700 miles... So I guess it could be 2000 miles + one hour reserves?

Maybe around 2500 - 2600?
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:55 pm

For those wondering about the weather on the night of the flight, especially in regards to visibility:
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2014/0...r-of-malaysia-airlines-flight.html

It was totally clear and calm.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:55 pm

From all I read here this plane could have ended up basically anywhere in the region. With a complete electrical break down and a possible mechanical failure it could have turned in circles or even after 180 a turn further away to Vietnam. And who says it ended up in water?
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:56 pm

Sky News reported that the 772 that operated the MH370 flight was tracked all the way to Pulau Perak on the Malacca Strait from the east coast of the Malay peninsula. They also reported that the 772 was around 1000m/3000ft at Pulau Perak. If it was at 3000ft, would I be wrong if I said the aircraft probably didn't make it much further onwards?

If this was a hijack, and the hijacker(s) intention was to crash into the ocean, why would they feel the need to crash into the Malacca Strait and not the Gulf of Thailand? The aircraft was already flying over the Gulf of Thailand sea. If this was a pilot suicide and his plot was to crash into the ocean, why not the Gulf of Thailand? These scenarios of hijacking/pilot suicide just don't add up if the aircraft was turned back to the western side of the Malay peninsula.

Taking into consideration the transponder was turned off/or failed, perhaps there was a catastrophic electronic failure that lead to loosing all instruments including the operation of the transponder. I'm not an expert, but will the engines still be running if there was a complete loss of electrics? If this is true, this scenario does sound quite plausible. This was a night flight so navigating without instruments would've been difficult. They turned back hoping to relocate the nearest airport. They knew they were close to land. What was the weather like over Malaysia. Clouds blocking view of Malaysia itself? Unable to see ground - unable to see airports. They misjudged reentering Malaysia hence being over Pulau Perak at 3000ft. At that point, no engine power, it was too late.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:56 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 207):
Is this for real? And I see CNN has taken down the page linked to already!

CNN has the following news:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/11/wo...irlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote:
The Malaysian Air Force has traced the last known location of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 to a spot above Pulau Perak, a very small island in the Straits of Malacca and hundreds of miles from the usual Kuala Lumpur to Beijing flight path, according to a senior Malaysian Air Force official. The official declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

This appears to be a different source. However, it is impossible to say if this is accurate given the multiple mistakes in the Malaysin press conferences.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:01 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 203):
It's just as likely as your hypothesis. Your theory does not account for the lack of any wreckage or any sign of the aircraft. Even without electrical power, a 777 can be flown with the help of the RAT.

Who says it was controllable... You ever heard of the JAL 747 accident when the plane lost its tail?

And who says there is no wreckage just because it has not been found???
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:01 pm

WOW, this is getting very interesting. As mentioned above, news is reporting its official the aircraft flew to the original point over water where contact was lost, then the transponder was turned off (or electrical problem or whatever), then the aircraft was tracked by primary radar in which it turned around and continued flying. Man, this is very weird. More speculation, but I have a feeling something bad happened on that airplane and it was human initiated.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting 4tet (Reply 211):
So we are back to IGARI as the last known position then?

As far as civilian systems are concerned - that was the last observed position.

However, the Malaysian military obviously have an advanced tracking system, and announced earlier today that they had radar data indicating that the aircraft made a left turn and was 3000 below its initial cruise level.

There has been so much said here about ADS-B, primary radar, secondary radar, TCAS, MLAT and whatever else I think many have been confused by it.

The military tracking capabilities are far beyond those of our simple ATC radars, and are, as far as I am aware, able to track a target in both vertical and horizontal profiles without SSR. Many military installations have the ability to track targets very far away... They are not limited by civilian systems and design, and all the R&D resulted in a far superior tracking capability that us civvy ATC's simply don't need.

So if they have the data that says the target went off radar tracking west, then I would have to believe them...

EDIT: however I missed the one bit where they withdraw this clarification. However, as a qualified search mission co-ordinator, they would simply not have deployed sar assets to malacca strait without a very good reason to. I am of the opinion there is more information than is being made publicly available.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 198):
OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY CHIEF OF ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE ON BERITA HARIAN NEWS ARTICLE DATED 11th MARCH 2014 ON SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS IN THE STRAITS OF MALACCA

...

I wish to state that I did not make any such statements as above

Looks like he's trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 202):
Alright. That means back to square one. It could still be anywhere.

Then why so disproportionately focus one's SAR efforts to the west?



What would be so sensitive about the radar data to have either avoided making any statements about it until the last 24 hours OR to issue a follow-up statement trying to clarify the record to inject more uncertainty?

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 216):
This appears to be a different source. However, it is impossible to say if this is accurate given the multiple mistakes in the Malaysin press conferences.

Correct.
The NYT article goes into the different Malaysian statements as well, also quotes FlightGlobal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?hp&_r=0
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:05 pm

Quoting drmlnr1 (Reply 177):
After this accident, in my opinion that all new-build aircraft will be fitted with some sort of GPS device and a way to send live data back to maintenance like the 787 does.

This plane is fitted with one and most planes will need them.

For example in the USA you will have to have ADS-B by 2020, except for some small planes away from big cities.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:06 pm

How long a 777 can glide on RAT? KIt Darby on CNN said it can fly for an hour on backup power(I am guessing he meant RAT). He also thinks it flew(glide) on backup power (RAT) until it crashed.

I recall someone here saying 20 minutes max from FL350.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 212):
So we are back to IGARI as the last known position then?

It would seem so. Back to the last position confirmed by official sources rather than a news organization, i.e there is evidence they may have turned back.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting CyberEntomology (Reply 208):

You're reading too much Tom Clancy novels. 

If this really is so, there will be huge political/diplomatic repercussions between Iran and China. Kidnapping people just to get an airplane? Well, Iran could much more easily set up a front company that dry-leases any airplane, and go from there...


My own little pet theory is that the FO has a grudge against MH and/or the captain. He kills the captain which he envies for his enthusiasm/success and switches off the transponders. Knowing that he'll be apprehended if he lands in PEK or somewhere else, he flies to Sumatra, for two reasons: Less ATC supervision, and more time to think about a solution. Then, as it appears to him that he'll end up jobless (and end up in a mental asylum or prison) anyway, he decides for a suicide, taking all pax and F/As with him.

As it is night and the moving maps on the IFE are switched off, nobody gets suspicious. In a fast, circling descent, he approaches the surface of the sea, slamming head-on into the water at several hundred knots, leaving next to no debris.

Okay, now I admit to reading Tom Clancy novels.  


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[Edited 2014-03-11 11:31:09]
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 220):
Looks like he's trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

Looks like he's trying to undo bad journalism (which is just as difficult a task).
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 189):
But this is not a fast developing story. It is a non-developing story. How much new information do we actually have since thread #1? Not that much.

Probably nothing can be done about it, but I find the sheer amount of nonsense and repetition written in these threads as disturbing as the event itself. Makes it kind of understandable that people tend not to read the threads, and this makes things even worse…

That's true of most accidents covered in these forums, the only difference being that there's been absolutely no new info on this accident. If you're not interested in the nonsense and repetition stick to the news sites (WSJ, NYT have both had very good coverage), then once there's some new info come back to the forums. After a few more days interest will die off and the amount of nonsense will go back to normal (still high, but that's not unusual in these forums).
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:12 pm

I don't know how to do playback on LiveATC, but has anyone heard if the controller WMKB (Penang) Radar was calling the (presumably) unidentified aircraft that was creating a "blimp" on his screen at 2:40am that morning?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:15 pm

What an incredible report. I'm having a hard time believing it.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:16 pm

What a herculean task it is going to be to find this plane if did indeed keep flying toward the Indian subcontinent.
I read that as a search area of some 1200 km X 300 km. This much larger than the AF 447 search area.
This maybe a case where, debris will come on shore before the wreckage is found on the bottom of the ocean.

It was mentioned that if the plane went into shallow waters, the pieces will embed into the ocean mud
and not necessarily leave much floating debris.

Although it was a much smaller plane, I recall Alaska Flight 261 did not leave much of debris on the surface.
since in crashed in the late evening, we could see what was there. But if it had happened at night and 10 hours had gone
by I doubt much sign of surface debris would have been found.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:22 pm

If someone turned off the transponder etc and continued flying (or forced the pilots to continue flying), Chances are the plane will never be found.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting jasondn (Reply 228):

Everything on radar in a ATC is taped/or on disk in case of things like this
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:24 pm

For someone familiar with the particulars of Malaysian airspace in the area where the transponder data was initially lost...

Given the reports that they descended 3000ft lower than cruise altitude, would this put the aircraft into a different airspace, and if so, could this be seen as a technique to "disappear" from the attention of controllers? For example - is the resulting new altitude one that controllers might not be monitoring or responsible for? Or perhaps a technique to make controllers think that the primary return is less likely to be MH370 because it is wrong course AND altitude? (Either way, an attempt at intentionally disappearing).

On the other hand, could the lower altitude have been a safer choice for westward travel due to some factors about the airspace usage in that area? I.E. a choice of altitude that is as safe as possible to travel blindly if you were not able to communicate your intentions?

I'm probably reading too much into it, but if in fact there was a precise reduction in altitude, perhaps there is a reason.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting mila (Reply 232):
Everything on radar in a ATC is taped/or on disk in case of things like this

I appreciate that. I was wondering if we (as public) could hear the recordings of that morning on LiveATC seeing as that specific Radar Station broadcasts on the web via LiveATC
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 233):
I'm probably reading too much into it, but if in fact there was a precise reduction in altitude, perhaps there is a reason.


I wondered similiarly. For example if you cross the Atlantic (I just know I'll have reversed this) West to East then flight levels are odd numbers, and vice versa. Is there something similar in this region that might be the cause for a 3k reduction ?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 207):
Is this for real? And I see CNN has taken down the page linked to already!

Yes

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 207):
- That five pax bags were offloaded as reported by the aviation minister then denied by the head of MAS.

The DCA Chief said five passengers bag were offloaded on Sunday. However, it was denied by the IGP yesterday afternoon.

DCA = Department of Civil Aviation Malaysia
IGP = Inspector-General of Police

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 207):
- That one of the likely asylum seekers was black when clearly he was not.

Yes. They were both Iranian and definitely not black.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:27 pm

Wow - that piece of new definitely changes the seach area. Is there a way for the us to find out whether the pilots took on addtional fuel ? i.e. more than what would be "normal" for a "normal" flight to PEK ?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:28 pm

I smell a cover up somewhere...

So lets say the plane did turn around and the transponder was off - presumably the last record on military radar is in the straights of malaca, what chance is there that as an Unidentified Object coming into indonesian airspace, the indonesians shot it down? And to stop a public backlash, its all being kept hush hush?

Ok I'm on the consipracy theories again.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:34 pm

Half the world is focused for days on finding a missing Malaysian airliner and now that country's military say they know it went the other way? Spare me! They are either just making it up or they should be put up against a wall. And joined by the government they work for. It surely has to be fiction...in either case it is very smelly...the Chinese above all will be furious - with very good reason

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[Edited 2014-03-11 11:39:35]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:34 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 225):
You're reading too much Tom Clancy novels. 

Hey, Clancy pretty much nailed it on the current mess in the Ukraine on his final novel. It was uncanny.

Where this particular scenario gets frightening is when you consider the sorts of interesting things bad guys can do when they have unfettered access to a large airliner that can be slipstreamed into normal air traffic. By the time you realize that flight isn't what it claims to be, it's too late to do anything.

I'd much rather this be a movie scenario instead of real life, though. I guess time will tell.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:35 pm

why do they suddenly after 3 days they start to search in the strait of malaca? yes i know because of the militairy radar, but they must have know earlier. And yes the longer it takes the more conspiracy theories u get. one thing is for sure, it isnt sure just a normal crash.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:35 pm

If it's gone any further West than the search field then it's going to have ended up in some seriously deep water. 2000m +

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:40 pm

For what it's worth, it's about 4000 miles to Iran from Malaysia, avoiding radar. With a fairly full fuel load, that's not even remotely difficult.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:40 pm

This just gets more mysterious by the hour.. Maybe Air Koryo will suddenly start flying a 777 in a few weeks?

On a more serious note, does the 777, or any airliner, have a unique radar profile? In other words, could a radar operator distinguish between types like a submarine sonar operator could by sound profiles?

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:41 pm

Why did it take four days for the Malaysian Air Force to say what they are saying now?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting CyberEntomology (Reply 208):
If the plane crossed the Malaysian peninsula and got over the straits of Malacca, It's a fairly straight shot over the Indian Ocean far from anyone's radar, and into Iran. Guessing that if the plane is intact, it's in a hangar on an Iranian military base somewhere getting a paint job to match a middle eastern carrier that flies 777s. From there, it's not far to wreaking some major havoc.

You should start writing novels.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting antskip (Reply 239):
Half the world is focused for days on finding a missing Malaysian airliner and now that country's military say they know it went the other way? Spare me!

I don't know about that. You have numerous (or just one?) radar installations and an unidentified blip on each one either moving across the peninsula or away from the country. It may have taken a few days to review records or recordings, if any, to see if there was some consistency, if the timing was right, and if it was worth looking into.

Only now, that wreckage can't be found along the expected course, does this look important.

In my opinion.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:42 pm

What I would like to know is whether Indonesian radar picked up anything as the aircraft flew towards Sumatra. I'm sure this is being investigated, but as far as I know no one has said anything publicly.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13

Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:44 pm

They apparently looked on land and in the Malacca straits because of the heading the plane was last in when it left radar at IGARI.

There is apparently, as of now, no official statement about the military tracking the plane anywhere.

[Edited 2014-03-11 11:45:26]

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