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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:05 am

Actually I don't think it is such a balls-up on behalf of SAR. The military radar saw the plane take a turn just before loss of contact. Then military radar near Penang saw something which could have been MH370, so they searched in both areas.

It seems like the appropriate course of action.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:05 am

They cant handle those western journalist haha their questions are to confronting and make them look like fools on that stage.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:06 am

I hate to say it but the authorities in charge of this SAR mission seem to be inept. They are contradicting eachother and seem at a loss as to what to do. I think China needs to politely take the reins, if that’s possible. They would be far better organised and resourced. The Malaysian authorities just are not organised or prepared for this kind of event unfortunately. The latest press conference was just embarrassing.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:07 am

Many airlines in China allow smoking over 15k f within their SOP, so nothing strange in this.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:07 am

Sovereignty issues aside, China or the US needs to take over to lead the investigation. This is just absurd. Another day passes with nothing but public-facing incompetence. The sun sets in an hour or so and search aircraft will return home and they've wasted another day.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:07 am

It's complete arrogance on the part of the Malaysian government and military I say. They call themselves a democracy but they are far from that. The entire country is run on corruption.

I'm starting to wonder whether they actually care...

If this was China leading the operation I am pretty sure they would have found the wreckage by now. Maybe they should hand it over to a country that has far better capabilities? It just seems to be an investigation run through ineptitude, in-fighting and an inability to see the seriousness of what has happened.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:07 am

So, nothing interesting or new, albeit confirmation that the military did pick up an unidentified aircraft (what was it, 200m NW of Penang) but they can't say what it was or where it came from, or where it was going.

The Gulf of Thailand seems to be lessening in importance in terms of the search, although it would be good to see detail from the Malaysians as to how much of it they believe they've covered, and in the other search areas. They did say they are not sure about the Straits of Malacca too. Now the South China Sea is officially added, so there is some method albeit a pretty chaotic one it seems.

It doesn't seem either that the journos are either able / willing to ask short penetrating questions to elicit information, although the press conference does seem chaotic too.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 149):

In the unthinkable event that the airplane will never be found, which jurisdiction/authority actually declares the passengers officially deceased?

In Denmark it is the court who can declare a person to be dead. It only happens if somebody seeks to get a person declared dead. There is a period of minimum 10 years before it can happen however if you are able to prove that they were in danger of loosing their lives it is reduced to 1 year. In a special case in Denmark it happened after only 17 days when a ship struck an iceberg in 1959, but the law says a minimum of one year.
I don't believe another authority can declare a danish citizen dead without a body.

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting 345tas (Reply 200):

Actually I don't think it is such a balls-up on behalf of SAR. The military radar saw the plane take a turn just before loss of contact. Then military radar near Penang saw something which could have been MH370, so they searched in both areas.

It seems like the appropriate course of action.

Knowing what we do now, I do agree with their reasons for searching in both areas. What is wish is that they had been more transparent will all of this information.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:11 am

The guy in the green uniform is a disaster. He said that any slight possibility of the plane being in the Malacca Straits prompted them to go and search there. Ridiculous.

It doesn't surprise me how bad this is being handled. Having had lots of experience dealing with State Owned companies in South East Asia, it is unfortunately typical of State employees just to come up with theories and stories that are untrue, because they are too uncomfortable to just say "I don't know."

My honest belief is that they really have absolutely no clue what happened or where it went down, and they feel they will look better by making up theories than by actually admitting that they really don't know.

I feel this will end up with China taking over the search and a huge dispute over the South China Sea (which has already been brewing between China and ASEAN members for a while).

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 186):
These two beauties just asked the hansdome pilots to have a photo with them. End of story.

I thought the same, just two dumb blondes getting their 15mins of fame on some sensationalist Australian TV channel. But, they did seem to provide at least one pic that seemed to show a sunset outside (the rest of the pics seemed to be on the ground).

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:11 am

I know that most high positions in malaysia never have anything to do with the running of companies, that well connected malays get fancy jobs and titles that keeps them financially secure and happy doing nothing (and brought into the spotlight when a disaster happens) but this?
Hishammuddin Hussein - Mamma mia...

However they acted swiftly and stopped foreign journalists from interviewing the chinese ambassador. They didnt want that live...

200 miles NW of Penang? One wonders what the people at the radarstation in Kota Bharu where doing. they didnt monitor anything apparently. However a mysterious object was seen 200 miles nw of penang and that is the only trace they have over there?

Doesnt surprise me that despite Malaysia having great equipment the persons monitoring it isnt around. And now when they really need their specialists their lack of training is showing ie their experts dont really know how to analyse the data and it takes along time to do so since to few specialists know what to do.

Cargomainfest?
Maintenence records?

I still think this plane will be found outside Vietnam and not halfway to India.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:12 am

I would like India and Japan to take part in investigation, there were 5 Indians onboard anyway..so why they waiting for?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:13 am

I'm imagining that the Malaysians are grappling with a very serious issue with their air defence mechanism, or rather the lack of it. They know to look in the Malacca straits, yet simultaneously maintain a search on the east coast.

That means they are not sure, and they are trying not to say too much at the moment, in order not to reveal too much more about the deficiencies in their air defence system. But it's too late now, I think, the Indonesians will be rubbing their hands with glee at this.

If such a large airliner cannot be tracked, nor did Malaysia scramble any fighters in response to the aircraft turning back with no comms and an unusual flightpath, suggest that either the PSR systems are inadequate, or there was human failure to respond to the situation. I'm inclined to believe in the former.

Either way it looks bad on the Malaysian Air Force. They are trying to paper over the cracks (saving face if you will) at the moment by trying to find the aircraft without saying too much, but because so much time has elapsed, the game is up for them it seems.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:18 am

While I agree things are a bit chaotic, I don't see anything to clearly indicate there is information being hidden. Mostly it just seems there are too many people talking to the press.

The Malay authorities made a mistake from the start and it seems to causing much of the "mess". They did not appoint a single person from the very beginning to handle the entirety of all press conferences and any other press contacts. Someone with experience in the job. In a high profile situation like this, you don't want different people who may have different information and who may say things in different ways. It contributes to confusion even if there may be none in reality.

The problem now is that you have several different people speaking to the press at various times. Even at the press conferences they have multiple people.

Information changes and since the press don't know what information is current, what is debunked, what is new, rumors flourish. If there was only one point of contact and everyone else was absolutely forbidden from speaking to the press, much of this apparent confusion would never have happened.


Quoting cougar15 (Reply 199):
Quoting phantomx18 (Reply 113):
From searching pictures on the internet, it appears that airplane life rafts do have the words "Boarding" on them to show survivors which side has the opening to climb into.

Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but the 777 Liferafts are it´s emergency exit slides that double up as liferafts , which are grey ! the pictures show a marine liferaft that is ussually affixed to vessels in a drum, I don not think this is is from a 777, but maybe someone else can verify ? m

Confirmed by Zeke in reply 138 above. 777 life rafts are silver.

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:19 am

I don't want to defend the Malaysian authorities, however we can't just blame them without knowing what's really the case. I know it's easy to give ourselves some kind of satisfaction by blaming some parties, but can we please be a bit more patient.

We have no idea how other authorities would coordinate this case as it's incomparable to any other cases. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe they're just figuring out how to connect the dots, or maybe something else.

But flooding threads with blaming posts won't help! I might be naive, but at this point I believe all involved parties - including the Malaysian authorities - are doing their best to locate the wreckage and figure out what happened.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 211):
I would like India and Japan to take part in investigation, there were 5 Indians onboard anyway..so why they waiting for?

I think India is joing the SAR.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:22 am

Quoting buckfifty (Reply 212):

1. Lack of modern resources
2. Lack of expertise
3. Language barrier

Three key points why Malaysian officials are having no clue. If they have little affection towards their countrymen and those 239 poor souls then they should bite the bitter bullet, accept they can't handle it and give it to Chinese officials. There is no shame. Last 3-4 days I was thinking they are trying to hide and coverup but my opinion is changing now and I think it's purely down to their incompetency. Seriously nut cases.

They not saying much because they have no clue what to do...how can you not go through maintenance record of 9M-MRO?

Vietnam doesn't have modern technology either why not ask China to help?

[Edited 2014-03-12 03:27:14]
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:23 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 213):
Information changes and since the press don't know what information is current, what is debunked, what is new, rumors flourish. If there was only one point of contact and everyone else was absolutely forbidden from speaking to the press, much of this apparent confusion would never have happened.

I quite agree - it is most frustrating to witness how badly they are managing.

Quoting dean (Reply 214):
We have no idea how other authorities would coordinate this case as it's incomparable to any other cases. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe they're just figuring out how to connect the dots, or maybe something else.

But we do, in the case of AF447 there were daily and very transparent press conferences and the release of much detailed information - yes, there was more information and events unfolded more rapidly. In the case of Asiana last year at SFO the NTSB gave a perfect model of how to manage information flow in a precise, accurate and non-conflicting way.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:25 am

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 11):
My faith in the Malaysian government to properly conduct a search and rescue mission is severely shaken, and it really is a shame. I feel like they are going through the motions, hoping to stumble upon wreckage.

that's what a one party system for the last 50 years gets you..the chap fronting the media is actually the PM's cousin.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:25 am

Quoting dean (Reply 214):

exactly. People need to get a grip.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:27 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 216):
Last 3-4 days I was thinking they are trying to hide and coverup but my opinions changing now and I think it's purely down to their incompetency. Seriously nut cases.

In other words, never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:28 am

Quoting gr325 (Reply 215):
I think India is joing the SAR.

I'm surprised they haven't already. They have significant resources in the Andaman Sea and a Naval Base at Port Blair. Btw, do you have a source for this?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:30 am

Quoting anshuk (Reply 221):

the guardian has confirmed India have joined SAR.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...n-confusion-over-planes-final-path

[Edited 2014-03-12 03:34:24]
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:31 am

Quoting anshuk (Reply 221):
Quoting gr325 (Reply 215):

Yes, keen to know source..have you got any by any chance?

Thanks.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:35 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 91):
Re tomnod, I don't see anything at all at map 4894.

Pretty certain I saw a Pareidolia.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:35 am

Quoting flood (Reply 145):
The report itself looks legitimate, the question is what he actually saw. He estimated the object to be 50-70km... that's quite a distance.

oddly enough, this is the rough vicinity that CX crew reported seeing wreckage..but Malaysian officials didn't offer to search because the plane was to fly over HCM.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 am

Quoting anshuk (Reply 221):
I'm surprised they haven't already. They have significant resources in the Andaman Sea and a Naval Base at Port Blair. Btw, do you have a source for this?

They stated during the conference that India, Japan, and Brunei are joining the investigation.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 am

It is not possible for the 777 to go off course so much that it would not have been found on the flightroute across the ocean... The pilots would have contacted the ground and the transponder would have been working.

What Malaysian officials say, the plane simply disappeared from FL350 to nothing following its planned flightpath over the ocean.

Major structural failure caused by an unknown fault in the fuselage or fuel tanks or a bomb.

If not then the information we have is not true or sufficient. It might be that it went off course and they did not disclose it to the public because of some strange ego reason.

These are my thought at the moment, from a logical and pseudo scientific perspective

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 am

I am quite appalled how so many armchair critics here (and elsewhere) have nothing better to do that criticise the authorities for not having leadership, Malaysia as a country etc. If there is no info to go on, how to do it better? Put up real workable proposals and/or plans and provide real help, or shut up. If you want to help, fly over here and add your manpower.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:38 am

Just to add to the tension, Malaysia is warning of a long wait for answers:

Malaysian Transport Minister: Expect ‘Long, Drawn Out’ Wait for Answers

Quote:
As Day 5 in the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines jet drew to a close in the region, no new leads emerged and officials were warning that no quick answers were expected.

“It’s going to be long, drawn out,” ....

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:38 am

Found another source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...t/article5776093.ece?homepage=true

India has indeed joined the search.

Quote:
"India has a tri-services military command at Andaman and Nicobar islands and Navy and air force carry out regular patrols in the area.
...
Malaysia has asked for India’s assistance in searching for the missing Boeing 777 jetliner to widen the search to an area near the Andaman Sea, Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Syed Akbaruddin said Wednesday.

Mr. Akbaruddin said India had appointed a contact person to liaise with Malaysian authorities, but did not give details about what kind of help India would offer.

Indian navy ships frequently patrol the seas around the Strait of Malacca and regularly conduct exercises with countries in the region."
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:39 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 209):
I thought the same, just two dumb blondes getting their 15mins of fame on some sensationalist Australian TV channel. But, they did seem to provide at least one pic that seemed to show a sunset outside (the rest of the pics seemed to be on the ground).

Yeah you are probably right. If the two blonde girls are making stuff up then shame on them for taking advantage and profiting off of this tragedy.

I just watched the presser, what a disaster. These guys seem utterly clueless as to 1) crisis management 2) how to handle the press during a crisis, the DCA DG is particularly awful and needs media training, stat 3) SAR. The amount of misinformation and contradiction is just mind boggling.

China or the US should take over and lead the investigation.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 217):
Quoting dean (Reply 214):
We have no idea how other authorities would coordinate this case as it's incomparable to any other cases. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe they're just figuring out how to connect the dots, or maybe something else.

But we do, in the case of AF447 there were daily and very transparent press conferences and the release of much detailed information - yes, there was more information and events unfolded more rapidly. In the case of Asiana last year at SFO the NTSB gave a perfect model of how to manage information flow in a precise, accurate and non-conflicting way.

Different culture, and much more experience with the international press. And a completely different attitude towards being prepared and having procedures in place.

[Edited 2014-03-12 04:06:51]
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:42 am

From Reddit, via Twitter

https://twitter.com/brigadierslog/status/443681521002496000

Alleged witness sighting of MH370 crashing into the sea from an oil rig.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:49 am

Quoting CYCLOPZ (Reply 233):

5 days later?  
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:49 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 209):
The guy in the green uniform is a disaster. He said that any slight possibility of the plane being in the Malacca Straits prompted them to go and search there. Ridiculous.

Surely this is a responsible course of action. The alternative being "yeah we saw this stuff on radar but it's probs not MH370 so we won't bother searching there". Victims' families would rightly be furious.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 213):
A lot of it has to do with "face". You lose face if you say you don't know.

That's my point (I know everything about face, I've been living in East Asia for eight years). What I am trying to illustrate is that they really have no clue what's happening, but they want to put on a charade that makes it seems as if they're in charge.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting CYCLOPZ (Reply 233):
From Reddit, via Twitter

https://twitter.com/brigadierslog/status/443681521002496000

Alleged witness sighting of MH370 crashing into the sea from an oil rig.

Posted it a while ago.

But it is still interesting.

If nobody knows if MH370 really turned and crossed the peninsula, I take the last known heading from the last known position as the last known fact.
And the heading was towards (roughly) Vung Tau.
Furthermore, including this mail, we have some reports from that area now.

From avherald.com:
'Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

On Mar 10th 2014 Vietnam's Search and Rescue Control Center confirmed receiving the report by Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center stating that a Hong Kong based airliner reported a large field of debris while enroute on airway L642. A Thai cargo ship in the area was asked for assistance and has set course to the area but did not find anything unusual so far. A second vessel asked for assistance did find some debris. Following this finding Vietnam's Maritime Search and Rescue Services (MRCC) dispatched a ship to the debris field.

On Mar 10th 2014 Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department confirmed a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur spotted large amount of debris while enroute off the coast of South East Vietnam.

Vietnam's Search and Rescue Center later announced that the border guard vessel arriving at the position of the debris field did not find any objects. There were high winds and large waves, the debris possibly drifted away.'

Why on earth is nobody considering a real search in that area?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 193):
And while they seem to not know anything and have nothing to say, there are people suffering from the loss of loved ones that are left in the dark void between hope and mourning. SIGH!

Losing loved ones is extremely distressing but everyone is in the dark. There is nothing that anyone can do to confirm what happened to the people on the flight until more evidence comes to light.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 14):
I think it's pretty clear that the MAF has no info on where the plane went after IGARI. They know only that it changed heading at IGARI and then disappeared.

The other search area was based on that heading, and not on any radar track.
Quoting 345tas (Reply 200):
Actually I don't think it is such a balls-up on behalf of SAR. The military radar saw the plane take a turn just before loss of contact. Then military radar near Penang saw something which could have been MH370, so they searched in both areas.

It seems like the appropriate course of action.

Correct and that's all I've heard them say. The "extra" details came via the press. I'm annoyed at myself for falling for it.

Quoting flyorski (Reply 50):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 46):It might just mean, "we are still analyzing and don't want to confuse things further".
That is what I think. They have an image on radar from that night, however they do not really know if it has anything to do with MH370 as the transponder was turned off. So they see something, but as they cannot confirm its identity they do not want to over-emphasize the information.

Agreed. Any other interpretation is pure conjecture at this point.

Quoting 345tas (Reply 170):
He only refuted a quote that was attributed to him by a Malaysian newspaper. You can read his statement in the previous threads.

Correct.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 60):
This is becoming a mess. An official says A, media says "A said B".
What's worse is that, media goes to C, and ask about A, and C would say, "Yea yea... A said B"...
You can see how far and fast that can go off track.

Oh yes. It happens every time and it's not only misunderstanding but also misreading what's actually been said and failure to recognise the source.

Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 182):
I even wonder if they know themselfs what happenend.

They don't know what happened. That's what they're trying to find out.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 183):
It's official... The Malaysians have not got a clue what they are doing. They are hiding information, the whole thing is just a chaotic mess.

Time to hand the search over to people who know what they are doing... Then I guarantee they will find the wreckage soon.

I bet they haven't even been searching for a black box signal!

If you can convince me you know more about exactly what they're doing than the rest of us do then I'll listen.

Quoting liquidair (Reply 185):
i just cant imagine a single body floating in the busiest shipping area of the world, with no other sightings of anything.

I wonder if it's either associated with the marine life-raft found recently or if they've actually confused the life-raft for a body in a life-jacket.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:56 am

That eye witness report from the oil rig looks like it could be plausible. Why aren't we hearing more about it??

It seems to be in a similar location to the CX sighting, and the timing appears to match with when the plane went missing.

It seems that authorities aren't able to be contacted (Vietnam have said they have had communication problems with Malaysia) or maybe they are just not interested in eye witness reports?

The fact that so little resource was used by Vietnam to check this out means very little. Maybe it's time they up the search and rescue efforts in this area. With two reports i'd say there is reason to.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:03 am

Sad to see the quality of this - these - thread (s) go down this low.
As a matter of fact, as low as the *reporting* of the general media and lots lower than the criticisms addressed to the Malaysian authorities.
The main problem is that too many countries are involved, and from what I read, there is little or no cooperation at all between these countries within their own national SRRs.
Add to the mess the arrival of US and Australian search planes...
The result is nobody in the public knows what areas are in fact being searched, and by whom.
And for those disparaging the Malaysian Air defence command, please tell us how many of the hijacked airplanes on the 11th of September 2001 were intercepted by the most modern, efficient and proactive air force in the world.

May I remind all that the only thing we know with some measure of certainty is that, forty minutes after takeoff, the flight should have been transferred to Ho Chi Minh ATC( we doin't even kn,ow whether that had been accomplished ), tyhat they never contacted the Viet-Namese and disappeared from secondary radar coverage.
THAT IS IT. THAT'S ALL WE KNOW.
Anther saddening aspect of the threade is that people have a very limited knowledge of something they use evry hour of the day : cell phones... That smacks to me as a *magical attitude* far from technical knowledge, like my ninity-five year old neighbour who only needs to press a button on a remote controller to get a window on the outsidfe world with her TV set...

Now for some aspects :
-The electrical system of a modern airliner is so redundant as to make a so-called a total electrical failure a quasi impossibility. The 777 is in this case .

- There was a report from a company aircraft who, when asked by Ho Choi Minh ATC to relay, managed a contact and heard *mumbling*... This has not been discussed, although it could be important : If MH370 couldn't talk to HCM, but liaise with an aircraft 250 nm away, one of the reasons is that they were too low for a VHF link to a ground station, but still in line of sight with an aircraft at cruise level.
The *mumbling* could also come from an O2 mask set.

- The obvious reason why the airplane hasn't been found - yet - is a track change. How drastic and how far is the biggest question we could ask.

- IMHO, hijacking is not on top of the scenarii we could envisage : takes two seconds to change a transponder code...
But we can speculate, of course.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:05 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 242):

I heard Vietnam suspending SAR just now...

Officials should trust eyewitness from oil rig, there is no harm looking around that area.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:06 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 243):
Sad to see the quality of this - these - thread (s) go down this low.

Kindly read the admonsihments at the beginning of the thread.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:07 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 209):
I thought the same, just two dumb blondes getting their 15mins of fame on some sensationalist Australian TV channel. But, they did seem to provide at least one pic that seemed to show a sunset outside (the rest of the pics seemed to be on the ground).

Well said. News outlets are running out of theories because this event doesn't fit into any previous ones pundits can relate to, so they have to dig up dirt on any one of the 239 souls.

Interesting part, she is 100% confident her flight was never in danger but thinks somehow he could have endangered flight safety of MH370.

Worst part of entire coverage all news channels consistently think transponders can never fail.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:11 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 243):
There was a report from a company aircraft who, when asked by Ho Choi Minh ATC to relay, managed a contact and heard *mumbling*... This has not been discussed

Wasn't that report quickly refuted by Vietnamese (?) authorities?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:12 am

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 246):
Worst part of entire coverage all news channels consistently think transponders can never fail.

One of the basic rules of aviation: If a piece of equipment is on the plane, it can and will break.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:18 am

As someone with a bit of a military background let me say one thing with regard to the attitude of the Malaysian authorities: namely, that the whole incident appears to have caught them completely off guard, and that regardless of what has happened to MH370, it has exposed enormous deficiencies in their entire air defence and surveillance system. And they appear to be mostly concerned with retaining some semblance of face. Not that this is working, but it does explain the strange behaviour of some officials.

If you can potentially fly something the size of a T7 across the entire bloody country, and four days later they are still not sure whether that actually happened - in plain language that means your entire military airspace surveillance is worth precisely nothing. Total garbage. If your systems and personnel were up to at least reasonable scratch, you could conclusively say either way if that bird came their way pretty much the moment it happened, and not just four days later. The show they are delivering here is a total disgrace.

If you are the general in charge of such a clown troupe, you of course try to buy time, until you find some intern who can actually read radar plots. But to the rest of the world you, and your entire command, still look like kids they let play with the big toys.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:21 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 243):
May I remind all that the only thing we know with some measure of certainty is that, forty minutes after takeoff, the flight should have been transferred to Ho Chi Minh ATC( we doin't even kn,ow whether that had been accomplished ), tyhat they never contacted the Viet-Namese and disappeared from secondary radar coverage.
THAT IS IT. THAT'S ALL WE KNOW.
Anther saddening aspect of the threade is that people have a very limited knowledge of something they use evry hour of the day : cell phones... That smacks to me as a *magical attitude* far from technical knowledge, like my ninity-five year old neighbour who only needs to press a button on a remote controller to get a window on the outsidfe world with her TV set...

From the straitstimes.com:

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-alright-good-night-were-last-h

Maybe before changing the frequency to Ho Chi Minh ATC?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:22 am

The lack of information or explanation given for the past five days did refer to two possibilities, first is that something is being hidden and second is that they do have no clue of what's happening. The latest press conference does seemed to confirm that the latter is what's going on with the authorities in Malaysia.

With all respect to Malaysia and its people they desperately need better coordination in disclosing information to the public. The amount of information released and then retracted is just appaling, creating confusion and even worse is rooms for speculations and wild rumours etc.

Now we even had a new timing of the plane last seen in the radar at 0215hrs (which then someone else in the same press conference claiming he "not sure" if it's MH370). To those who might be expert in this field, I wondered how long does it take normally to confirm such sightings on a radar??

Few years ago I did follow the development of search operations when Adam Air flight was missing in Indonesia. The authorities did also lacked experience on conducting the operation, rumours were also spread around. But if I recalled correctly the amount of information they released throughout the search, despite little, were somehow being handled better and more consistently (e.g. not being retracted or altered time to time) than what we seen today with MH370. Any thoughts??

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