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Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2): This is getting even more ridiculous now THE search for missing Flight MH370 has been thrown into yet more confusion after a key Malaysian military chief denied earlier reports that radar had spotted the plane hundreds of kilometres off course. Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed. http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ikely/story-fnizu68q-1226851991393 |
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4): Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2): This is getting even more ridiculous now THE search for missing Flight MH370 has been thrown into yet more confusion after a key Malaysian military chief denied earlier reports that radar had spotted the plane hundreds of kilometres off course. Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed. http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ikely/story-fnizu68q-1226851991393 I've also seen some reports saying that his statement is being contradicted by other government sources. |
Quoting aerobalance (Reply 7): Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2): He may not have said it, but somebody did. Why are they searching in that area, just for the heck of it? |
Quoting socalgeo (Reply 5): If the plane went in within a few miles of shore, in a relatively confined area (like that hijacked Ethiopian 767) then perhaps it would have gone unnoticed. I have searched for a KML or good drawing of the search area boundaries, but I have not found one yet. Anyway, the search grids look to me like they have concentrated off shore... So there it is...thoughts? |
Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 6): Sorry just came to my mind, what happens to a fly by wire airplane , like the B777, B787, A320-A380 if there is a total electrical failure? how controllable would it be? I realize it is really absurd to think about a total electrical failure, but I wouldn't mind knowing for future reference. |
Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8): To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested? |
Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8): To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested? |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20): Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself. |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20): Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself. |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20): Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8): To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested? Yes. |
Quoting flyenthu (Reply 9): Can anyone please respond to my question (Reply 404) in Thread 14? It is almost at the bottom of that thread. Thank you! |
Quoting mandela (Reply 409): Those who believe the cellphone theories need to know how the stuff works. |
Quoting davs5032 (Reply 18): First, thank you for providing a map...always makes it so much easier to understand what you're explaining. As to your theory, it's not too farfetched, however I don't think it's likely. I say this because with such a low flight path over a populated area, I'd expect many more eyewitnesses. Also, a crash site so close to land would be more likely to have debris found by ships/fishing boats/coastal citizens, etc. More importantly, wouldn't it have shown up on a primary radar somewhere, given that it would have flown over a large part of the country? |
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 25): Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20): Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself. You know what heading you came out on. Wouldn't that be enough to use the compass to at least get you near KUL, which is well lit? |
Quoting alberchico (Reply 14): Looks like Vietnam is scaling back their effort. Would China be expected to do the bulk of the recovery once the aircraft is found seeing as their navy is the most capable of doing the job ? |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 34): |
Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 30): Yes, airplanes are like any other technical product. They can fail after one minute, 50 years of usage, or never, ever. |
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 39): Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 34): Yes, you would need some point of reference. Could you even see the lights on one of the coasts from IGARI at 35K feet? |
Quoting Enobar (Reply 34): does it supply GPS coordinates? If so I wonder why it took so long to locate the wreckage. |
Quoting Enobar (Reply 34): And... It begs the question as to why ACARS would not relay GPS coordinates.. Surely if is already sending so much data back to HQ, would a set of coordinates really be much more data to send? |
Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 11): My faith in the Malaysian government to properly conduct a search and rescue mission is severely shaken, and it really is a shame. I feel like they are going through the motions, hoping to stumble upon wreckage. |
Quoting alberchico (Reply 14): Note to moderators: Please don't let the thread run to 409 posts like the last one. Thank you |
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 27): You know what heading you came out on. Wouldn't that be enough to use the compass to at least get you near KUL, which is well lit? |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 34): In instrument training, many instructors make you close your eyes and then tell you what to do (e.g. "turn left 90 degrees, now climb, now stop climbing..."). Then you open your eyes and have to recover with instruments only. This is a demonstration of how truly useless your senses are when it comes to spatial orientation in an an airplane. And that's in a light prop. In an airliner it is even worse. |
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 39): Yes, you would need some point of reference. Could you even see the lights on one of the coasts from IGARI at 35K feet? |
Quoting flyenthu (Reply 41): What is last wide body crash solely because of system failure without any prior issue with the specific system? For example, AF 447's problem started with pitot tube icing over which had been recorded before that tragedy. |
Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 40): It's a bit like my wife who can't understand why our TV broke down after 15 years of operation without a hitch. Simple, when an electronic component fails, it fails. This comparison might not be entirely fair because airplanes have built-in redundancy and are for a large part mechanical in nature, were wear and tear is a factor, a slow proces. But still, not impossible. |
Quoting flyenthu (Reply 33): What is last wide body crash solely because of system failure without any prior issue with the specific system? For example, AF 447's problem started with pitot tube icing over which had been recorded before that tragedy. |
Quoting DeltaAtl (Reply 39): In a confusing exchange, the male official - who was Malay but spoke Chinese - was asked repeatedly by family members if military-grade radar had picked up the plane. Military air data and technology would go beyond the civilian ones, they said. The official replied that the Malaysian military was assisting investigations "at a high level." Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to reveal it. |
Quoting timothy31388 (Reply 42): "Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to reveal it." Hmm, that doesn't sound good. |
Quoting flyenthu (Reply 41): What is last wide body crash solely because of system failure without any prior issue with the specific system? |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 44): Single cause widebody accidents where the pilots can do nothing are exceedingly rare. TWA800 and Turkish 981 are the only ones I can think of off-hand. |
Quoting timothy31388 (Reply 42): "Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to reveal it." |