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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:17 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 249):
Yes, I understand that. This looks to me like the best lead so far. But, as others have noted, the "debris" in the images needs to be verified. It would have been easier to find on March 9 (and may have sunk or been dispersed by now).

Sunrise is in two hours, so hopefully we will hear something before the next terrible presser in the evening.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:18 pm

Quoting 456 (Reply 250):
I would expect more floating debris in the area

More would be nice. You take what you can get.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:20 pm

My only problem with these images is that they potentially shows the aircraft or at least the fuselage pretty much in one piece.

BUT, how does someone execute a Hudson type landing with the aircraft essentially intact at night having suffered some sort of epic electrical/structural failure on the REAL sea and at night.

[Edited 2014-03-12 14:21:47]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 pm

Those reported dimensions of spotted wreckage would seem to indicate something less than a high speed nose down impact. It would be completely tragic if survivors made it out of the 777 only to pass away while waiting for recue. Fingers crossed that someone made it out and is still alive.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 248):
Indeed.. they may have not released them till now thinking that the debris field would be found by ships earlier.

There is no point in withholding the images as there were so many Chinese nationals in the plane.

The pieces appear to be too large to be parts of a 777. And the location is not consistent with the Malaysian military radar recordings possibly capturing MH 370 flying west (admittedly we don't know that yet).

However, hopefully the Chinese are able to image the whole flying radius of the plane from the last known location and then comb through those images. That might be the best bet in locating the aircraft. It does not matter that combing the images would take weeks, as an approximate location of the plane should enable starting underwater searches,
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 pm

If the sizes (approx. 20m x 20m) quoted are accurate, the only 777 configuration parts fitting that description would be the center fuselage with parts of the wing attached. This would argue for a relatively low velocity contact with the sea surface, assuming it is MH370.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 253):
My only problem with these images is that it potentially shows the aircraft pretty much in one piece.

They don't look like an airplane in one piece to me. They look like globs of floating junk (admittedly, as mentioned above, they're pretty fuzzy).
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 pm

If you take the email from the Oil Rig and the Spot from the Chinese Satellite you get 209nm - I would think that at least is reasonable.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=8...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

On a side note, does anyone find that Tomnod is SUPER annoying that they don't post the coordinates or am I missing something?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 252):
More would be nice. You take what you can get

Ah yes ofcourse. I mean it gives definitely hope!

What I meant was that if those large objects were already sunk to the bottom, it's still usefull to check with a plane that area, as more (smaller) debris will be visible then (or at least most likely).
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting kmot (Reply 228):
Im not sure. We have also seemed to find a small yellow object north west of this site.

Center grid, lower right corner. In addition, in the grids to the left you can see an oil slick.

Am I the only one, but your images show black space and arrows, with red circles and dots ... what do they prove?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 256):
If the sizes (approx. 20m x 20m) quoted are accurate, the only 777 configuration parts fitting that description would be the center fuselage with parts of the wing attached.

Why do you think they are single pieces?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 238):
What a crock. First they show a picture of an A380 then they interview a 'veteran pilot' who says Boeing aircraft are indestructible.

This reminds me of the AF447 threads. I appreciate the lack of any bashing (anti-Boeing or anti-Airbus) in this thread.

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As an addition - I remember checking the weather for that region a day after the crash. The wind pattern was consistent with a crash anywhere near the Songa Mercur oil platform, and the position of these floating objects recently photographed by the Chinese satellites.


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:26 pm

Quoting jcxroberts (Reply 242):

Chinese satellites can get clearer pictures than this. They just put fuzzy ones out to the public for military secrecy reasons. Almost certainly they have seen identifying markers and this is the wreckage.

I thought the same thing.

Quoting kmot (Reply 245):
If you replace "challenge" with "api" in the address bar, Tomnod gives you an error message with the coordinates. These match up with the search area and flight plan with a westerly turn.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:26 pm

Quoting 456 (Reply 250):

But then I would expect more floating debris in the area, if those large parts ripped of from the plane and are sunked by now.

Hopefully we still have debris floating around. In the area, debris would float towards the coastlines at the moment.

Wind on the surface:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current...vel/orthographic=-250.24,5.23,1987

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:30 pm

I wonder if the large floating objects could be the life rafts just grouped together into three groups. It gives some hope. I don't know the dimension of life rafts collectively. It might be too big. Or one or two could be life rafts, and another part could be the plane.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:31 pm

Quoting captainx (Reply 210):
On the ground somewhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQexNlbudW4

How could you trust this type of report when Tony keeps on calling an A380 a B777  
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 157):
The criticism is about their ability to coordinate such a large international effort.

That is always like herding cats. Each nation has its own chain of command. No nation is willing to be subservient to another nation about searches within their own waters/ area of interest.

Frankly France, the UK, Finland nor the US could do much better in coordinating such a multi-national effort.

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 157):
the amount of information they are sharing with their partners

And how do any of us know that?

What we do see is a lot of officials from various nations speaking unofficially to reporters. Each almost certainly without full information which has been shared with his superiors by Malaysia and other nations.

Is there one verified report from any authorized national spokesman that they are not receiving information?

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 157):
and the lack of information provided to the public.

There is not duty or requirement to provide details about areas searched with no results, alternative contact methods tried, etc to the general public. Providing such details always leads to inaccurate speculation and fake confirmations by the press.

These are SAR professionals - it is insulting to the whole worldwide profession for everyone to question their methods, modalities and such without any detailed knowledge of exactly how they operate.

Communications with families of people on the plane is normally not detailed specific. It is also not for the mass of people worldwide interested.

Mostly to spare the families unnecessary anguish, details are not released about unconfirmed theories.


Yes, like everyone here - I really want to know what happened to the plane. And during the report phase, I'm sure I will learn a lot of details. But now it too early to be demanding those.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:33 pm

Not to be dramatic... but it should be pointed out the waters in this area are fairly warm. During WWII people were known to survive ridiculous amounts of time waiting for rescue. It may be possible.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:34 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 256):

Yes, a 60' sqaure object is huge ... be interested in others' views whether there is any single piece of a 777 matching this. Or is it a mass of junk, or a container off a shp? And if it is, then the whole Strait of Malacca effort was a complete waste of effot ...
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:36 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 267):
Frankly France, the UK, Finland nor the US could do much better in coordinating such a multi-national effort.

How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:37 pm

The US intel almost certainly has similar satellite photos and never released them. China revealed more than they wanted by releasing these, mostly that they are getting greater real time coverage than people think. Just shows the degree of domestic public pressure. But now a precedent has been set and they will face pressure to use their state security assets for other non-military functions.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 269):
And if it is, then the whole Strait of Malacca effort was a complete waste of effot ...

The images are not of the Malacca Strait.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 265):

If the accident was so "benign" so that people were able to survive - and the plane was able to ditch in more or less one piece - then the crew should have had ample time to broadcast a Mayday over VHF or HF.

Or they were too distracted for any reason, but then it should be even more remarkable that they managed a +/- successful ditching.

But this is, again, some kind of speculation.


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:41 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 261):
Why do you think they are single pieces?

Because they are being described that way. The largest of the three pieces is said to be 22m x 24m (72ft x 79ft). Try matching that up to a 777-200ER platform drawing.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 274):
The largest of the three pieces is said to be 22m x 24m (72ft x 79ft). Try matching that up to a 777-200ER platform drawing.

I can't match that up with anything -- airplane or not -- as a single piece.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:46 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 273):
If the accident was so "benign" so that people were able to survive - and the plane was able to ditch in more or less one piece - then the crew should have had ample time to broadcast a Mayday over VHF or HF.

If the electrical killed the transponder and communication but left fly by wire? Just a thought?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:47 pm

This is a bit crazy, but the fuselage could have bent outwards on impact. The 772 has a diameter of 6.19m, which would give it a circumference of about 19.5m. This truly is stretching it but... you know, what else that big would be floating in the ocean within glide of their last known point of contact?

I guess I just really hope this is the plane, so families can stop stressing themselves to death and start their process, and the investigation can get underway.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 202):
True but someone a zillion threads ago said the MH plane has TWO antenna on the sides rather than the usual one on the roof which is the subject of the AD. I have no idea if the cutout for a side antenna is any less structurally a potential problem or more than one on the roof. But if the underlying structure is the same maybe the MH plane has even more risk! .

" (Reuters) - Boeing Co on Wednesday said the missing 777 Malaysia Airlines jetliner was not subject to a new U.S. safety directive that ordered additional inspections for cracking and corrosion on certain 777 planes.

The Federal Aviation Administration last week ordered additional, repeated inspections of certain Boeing 777 aircraft, warning that corrosion and cracking could lead to rapid decompression and damage to the structure of the aircraft.

The Federal Aviation Administration told airlines to inspect U.S. registered aircraft for cracking, corrosion and potential repairs after receiving a report about a 16-inch crack in the fuselage skin underneath an adapter for the airplane's satellite communications antenna.

true Boeing said it worked closely with the FAA to monitor the fleet for potential safety issues and take appropriate actions. But it said the 777-200ER Malaysia Airlines aircraft did not have that antenna installed and was not subject to the FAA order."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...airplane-faa-idUSBREA2B1YN20140312
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 270):
How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search?

Much better. They found confirmed floating debris with 2 or 3 days close to last known point of contact. After that it was pretty much trying to figure out where the rest of the wreckage & the black boxes were in the depths below over the next 2 years. In this case there is absolutely no debris so far so nobody has a clue where exactly the aircraft went down.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:50 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 270):
How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search?

Once an alert had been declared that the plane was missing - Brazil was able to get a C-130 over the last contact location that same day before dark. They found floating debris.

France was unable to get an aircraft to the location that day, but did get some assets out the next day.

Having the search 'haystack' pinned down to a relatively small area - Brazilian and French ships were on-site within 3 days and started to recover debris.

There was a major political battle over who would take custody of the debris, with Brazil winning most of the argument, though the debris were eventually turned over to BEA in France as the lead investigative agency. There was criticism that the 'sloppy' Brazilian recovery techiques damaged some of the debris - most notable the vertical stabilizer.

There was another major battle over custody of the bodies recovered. Since almost all were recovered by Brazilian ships - the French were unable to gain access to the bodies until Brazil released them to the families.

Some in France were critical of the autopsy of the Captain of the aircraft as not being thorough and his remains not preserved well enough to allow a competent examination when returned to France.

Senegal and Cape Verde refused to acknowledge any responsibility to issue an alert about a missing aircraft because AF447 had never made contact with Cape Verde Oceanic.

(As contrast to this case - apparently Vietnam Oceanic raised the alarm early when they did not get the expected contact with MH370 and could not obtain a response to their calls. Malaysia and Vietnam were quickly discussing the aircraft, and an alert issued quickly.)

One nation, I forget which, got upset at the Spanish ATC supervisor who finally said "To heck with procedure and jurisdiction - I will issue a missing aircraft alert" for exceeding his authority for an aircraft not located in his operational control area. This bickering over who is responsible wasted over two hours after everyone along the possible flight path knew the plane had not made contact with anyone since leaving Brazilian Oceanic.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:52 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 272):
The images are not of the Malacca Strait.

Erm that was my point.

Anyone have data on currents from the last know position to where these items are observed, noting that the satellite images are from within 24 hrs after the last reported position (9 Mar I beleive)?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:52 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 273):
If the accident was so "benign" so that people were able to survive - and the plane was able to ditch in more or less one piece - then the crew should have had ample time to broadcast a Mayday over VHF or HF.

Not to mention a portable ELT in one of the life rafts.

FAR 25.1415 Ditching Equipment (Overwater Requirements. Also see FAR 121.339)
(d) "There must be an approved survival type emergency locator transmitter for use in one life raft."
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:56 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 277):
you know, what else that big would be floating in the ocean within glide of their last known point of contact?

Probably lots of things. Just because you or I cannot think of something means it's the 777 that somehow unraveled or whatever. It's an argument from ignorance (not saying you're ignorant, that's just the name of the fallacy)
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:56 pm

The satellite images were reportedly taken on Sunday, if the Chinese were at all convinced they were of the missing 777 then wouldn't they have released them earlier?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting steve7e7 (Reply 284):
if the Chinese were at all convinced they were of the missing 777 then wouldn't they have released them earlier?

As has been mentioned above, combing through satellite images to find little dots on them takes some time.

[Edited 2014-03-12 14:58:53]
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting steve7e7 (Reply 284):
The satellite images were reportedly taken on Sunday, if the Chinese were at all convinced they were of the missing 777 then wouldn't they have released them earlier?

Most likely because it takes some time to review those images?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:59 pm

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 282):
Not to mention a portable ELT in one of the life rafts.

Those ELTs have to be activated, they are not G-activated.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 283):
It's an argument from ignorance (not saying you're ignorant, that's just the name of the fallacy)

Well, we are all literally ignorant right now. There is very little information to go on. :-/

Sunrise is in a little over an hour.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:04 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 283):
It's an argument from ignorance

They're looking for debris floating on the surface in a general area. The images are of what looks like debris floating on the surface in more or less the general area. The logical fallacy does not apply (no matter what the stuff in the images turns out to be -- if we ever find out).
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting steve7e7 (Reply 284):
The satellite images were reportedly taken on Sunday, if the Chinese were at all convinced they were of the missing 777 then wouldn't they have released them earlier?

Between the time to review those images and the already ongoing search by Malaysian people, perhaps wasn't it at first deemed a priority.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:05 pm

Source BBC and Telegraaf: maybe an image of the missing jet spotted by Chinese satellite.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_win...%20mogelijk%20plek%20crash%20MH370

On CNN (video):

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/wo...malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

[Edited 2014-03-12 15:14:59]
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:06 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 288):
Sunrise is in a little over an hour.

I can imagine that planes can already take off in order to fly to the location of the found suspected debris right now in order to save time?

That's something I also wanted to know but can never find somewhere-how is the sar resources used during the day (are boats still active during the night?)
Or is that all secret?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:12 pm

Quoting 456 (Reply 292):
I can imagine that planes can already take off in order to fly to the location of the found suspected debris right now in order to save time?

That's something I also wanted to know but can never find somewhere-how is the sar resources used during the day (are boats still active during the night?)
Or is that all secret?

Gosh I don't have a link for you, it's many many pages back, but what I read is that the marine SAR is 24/7 but air SAR is sunrise to sunset, approximately 7am to 7pm local (KUL) time. I remember reading some country using aircraft with FLIR at night.

Anyhow, it makes sense. Any kind of "night vision" is going to have a limited field of view compared to being able to see clear to the horizon on a nice sunny day.

[Edited 2014-03-12 15:17:33]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 256):
If the sizes (approx. 20m x 20m) quoted are accurate, the only 777 configuration parts fitting that description would be the center fuselage with parts of the wing attached. This would argue for a relatively low velocity contact with the sea surface, assuming it is MH370

The dimensions of the objects seem eerily similar to the sizes of containerized shipping. A freighter may have lost some sealed containers which could account for the satellite images as the images certainly seem far too large to be a B777, wreckage or not.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 146):
So... please kindly, throw away any notion that because you get a ringing tone, the phone on the other end is within coverage!

I agree, this phone thing just won't go away, argh....at least the passport thing has gone away, finally.

Quoting katekebo (Reply 147):
SAR is a very tough job and it can take very long time to find a seemingly "obvious" target.

I went through 3000 Tomnod images and found that exhausting, i can just imagine how tough actual SAR is.

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 153):
it's about coordinating your messages even from your own government, which they seem incapable of doing.
Quoting nupogodi (Reply 157):
The criticism is about their ability to coordinate such a large international effort, the amount of information they are sharing with their partners, and the lack of information provided to the public.

If the Malaysian authorities had just originally come out one day 1 and said something like, "we have recordings of an unidentified radar blip that crossed over Malaysia and disappeared in the Adaman Sea, we can't be sure it was MH370 because it was traveling slower and was smaller than expected, we're using our short range SAR to check there, and much of the rest of the SAR is in the Gulf where the last known position was".... almost all of the confusion and perceived incompetence wouldn't exist.

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 158):
(Still not sure about the story on the "mumbling" response to another airplane's call - that was dismissed as not true as well, right?)

Correct, it was false.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:19 pm

It is also possible that the Chinese got the dimensions wrong, or they were reported incorrectly. If you look at the photographs, these are not perfect rectangles, the dimensions describe the extents of the rectangle which would enclose them.

Also, they do not look like shipping containers to me personally, but I am not an expert on that.

edit: Also shipping containers are far longer than they are wide, 22x24m would not make sense. ISO containers are about 12.2m long.

[Edited 2014-03-12 15:21:07]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:21 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 294):
The dimensions of the objects seem eerily similar to the sizes of containerized shipping. A freighter may have lost some sealed containers which could account for the satellite images as the images certainly seem far too large to be a B777

I would think a shipping container could fit inside of a 77F.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:23 pm

New thread please MODs

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 295):
If the Malaysian authorities had just originally come out one day 1 and said something like, "we have recordings of an unidentified radar blip that crossed over Malaysia and disappeared in the Adaman Sea, we can't be sure it was MH370 because it was traveling slower and was smaller than expected, we're using our short range SAR to check there, and much of the rest of the SAR is in the Gulf where the last known position was".... almost all of the confusion and perceived incompetence wouldn't exist.

Exactly! This is the kind of transparency we expect from modern investigations! It's only fair to keep the friends/family in the loop entirely, as well as the aviation community at large.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:30 pm

Was wondering if anyone could convert the coordinates that the Chinese said they saw the debris at with the tomnod map id. This way we could see if they same objects show in both pictures. Since they were taken on the same day.
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