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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:33 pm

Quoting Owleye (Reply 291):

Source BBC and Telegraaf: maybe an image of the missing jet spotted by Chinese satellite.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_win...%20mogelijk%20plek%20crash%20MH370

On CNN (video):

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/wo...malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

[Edited 2014-03-12 15:14:59]

There is Mr. Quest and two other CNN guys, they are looking at the pictures and quote the sizes of the parts, and all 3 are not able to notice that either the dimensions given are false, or its not the plane. What are those people paid for?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 pm

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 295):
If the Malaysian authorities had just originally come out one day 1 and said something like, "we have recordings of an unidentified radar blip that crossed over Malaysia and disappeared in the Adaman Sea, we can't be sure it was MH370 because it was traveling slower and was smaller than expected, we're using our short range SAR to check there, and much of the rest of the SAR is in the Gulf where the last known position was".... almost all of the confusion and perceived incompetence wouldn't exist.

Exactly! Pity that clarity was only revealed yesterday and I don't even think that was the intention. It wasn't directly part of anyone's speech, from what I recall. It was in response to a question, and it seemed reluctantly explained. What I also got from all that was that they were bringing in 'experts' to interpret what they saw. I think that might have been the stumbling block to saving face, and therefore they withheld as much as possible. They don't know what they saw.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:38 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 144):
There have been reports from Rolls Royce that the accident a/c sent 2 engine status messages - at take off and 20 minutes later. They were unremarkable. So ACARS was operating before the LOS event.

So, this would suggest that whatever happened was all over before the 1:20 mark, correct?

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 279):

Quoting hivue (Reply 270):
How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search?

Much better. They found confirmed floating debris with 2 or 3 days close to last known point of contact

Didn't they also have reports from other commercial jets spotting fire on the ocean surface to help them out?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:42 pm

Dont they have puctures before ans after saturday ?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:43 pm

Quote:
Quoting acabgd (Reply 357):

I'm sorry if it came across as rude. I'll quote the rest of your post.

Quoting acabgd (Reply 349):
It is useless in determining the fate or this airliner with what we know now.

We *know* actually incredibly little. Apart from one thing - a 777-200ER is gone.

Can't quote properly as taken from previous thread. Appreciate the full quote and understand your position. Sorry if I was a bit jumpy.

Sad that we're still at the same spot a day later...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:44 pm

Quoting Aither (Reply 304):

Dont they have puctures before ans after saturday ?

It's not likely that area of the sea would be imaged recently prior to the event.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:52 pm

Aircraft size relative to reported debris size:

 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:55 pm

Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment. It would be quite embarrassing for them to release these photos only for them to be sea-junk.

I'm sure they have taken the resolution down quite significantly.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:59 pm

But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings wouldn't float, would they??

[Edited 2014-03-12 15:59:42]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:00 pm

I hope for every

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 308):
Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment. It would be quite embarrassing for them to release these photos only for them to be sea-junk.

From what I just heard on CNN, the Malaysians haven't even SEEN the pictures, so if it does turn out to be the wreckage, it's going to be the Malaysians who are going to be embarrassed!

On an unrelated note, I've just noticed that this topic has surpassed all production threads with regard to the number of combined posts. But considering how important of an event it is, I'm not surprised. I just hope we find the wreckage before we get to part 50!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:02 pm

Did anyone else catch that on Erin Burnett's CNN intro: "crash sh i te!

Ha ha.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 310):

From what I just heard on CNN, the Malaysians haven't even SEEN the pictures

The Guardian reports the same thing:

Quote:
Publication of the images has raised the already-strained tensions between
the Chinese and Malaysian authorities. Two thirds of the passengers on flight MH370
were from China, and the authorities in Beijing have made it clear that they have deep
concerns about how the Malaysians have conducted the search. Malaysian civil aviation
director general Abdul Rahman told CNN his agency had not seen the images as of 6am
local time Thursday.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...tes#block-5320e415e4b001fc58715766
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 308):
Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment. It would be quite embarrassing for them to release these photos only for them to be sea-junk.

They see something which may be debris, it may even be artifact, or not 777 debris and just flotsam. At this point all agencies should be doing this, if it doesn't turn out to be debris from an airplane its nothing to be embarrased about.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 308):
Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment. It would be quite embarrassing for them to release these photos only for them to be sea-junk.

Why? No one else has done any better. At this point any thing is worth a closer inspection.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 312):

Quoting rj777 (Reply 310):

From what I just heard on CNN, the Malaysians haven't even SEEN the pictures

The Guardian reports the same thing:

Unbelievable. So they havent even seen the pictures, and thus nobody checked out the area for the debris?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 308):
Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment.

I would not be surprised when china is sending their own planes to this spot as well to check for these parts.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:11 pm

I believe we have sunlight at the location by now. Lets hope for some good news
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:12 pm

I have been following the forum for a very long time and finally decided to post.

While searching in Tomnod for anything that could help, I came across some images that intrigued me.
I have noticed several objects that don't look natural in a widespread area, e.g.:
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/18550
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/16740
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/14473
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/16378
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/15011

However, the images are quite dark so I cannot say if those are boats/ships.
In the vicinity, you can clearly see two ships as a comparison:
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/18176

Quoting kmot (Reply 245):
If you replace "challenge" with "api" in the address bar, Tomnod gives you an error message with the coordinates.

Using kmot's technique to get the coordinates, the area is located around 7.57563N 103.232585E

Last known position of the plane was 6°55'15.0"N 103°34'43.0"E

IIRC, someone talked about a turn heading 330° after this position.
When you connect the two dots in Google earth, they are 45 NM apart, heading 332°.

Any thoughts?

[Edited 2014-03-12 17:00:27]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:12 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 315):
Unbelievable. So they havent even seen the pictures, and thus nobody checked out the area for the debris?

These were only made public about 5 hours ago, sunrise is only about now, so no one would have really had a chance anyway. Also China probably wants to be first, especially if they are confident it is the wreckage, so I'm sure their ships and aircraft are en-route.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 319):
These were only made public about 5 hours ago, sunrise is only about now, so no one would have really had a chance anyway

But being clueless about the pictures after they were made public hours ago is what surprise me.

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 319):
Also China probably wants to be first, especially if they are confident it is the wreckage, so I'm sure their ships and aircraft are en-route.

Totally understandable with so many Chinese citizens on the flight.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 320):
But being clueless about the pictures after they were made public hours ago is what surprise me.

It's possible that whoever is working the overnight shift at their "crisis headquarters" or wherever they set up shop for the office work has seen them, but that the talking head roused from sleep to talk to media has not yet been briefed. It seems they are a little less... organized than you'd expect.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 133):
Civil Air Patrol finds downed planes in the US all the time

And sometimes they don't. Steve Fossett's plane disappeared on September 3, 2007. The Civil Air Patrol searched for it for a month and couldn't find it. The search was called off on October 2, 2007. The plane was finally found one year later, on September 29, 2008, by a hiker. And that happened in California, the most populous state in the US. Should then we all conclude that the Civil Air Patrol, and the US in general, are totally incompetent when it comes to finding downed planes?Or should we just decide it was very hard to find, in a remote mountain area (yet 5 miles away from a ski resort!)? Then why is it that so many people here are assuming that the Malaysian authorities are inept for not finding what actually may very well not be there?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:27 pm

I'm not surprised that anyone on the Malaysian side isn't aware of it. On the surface, they have seemed helpless, if not clueless about where their plane went.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:27 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 320):
But being clueless about the pictures after they were made public hours ago is what surprise me.

Perhaps it's looking like the Chinese are trying to be more transparent and therefore handling things better?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 277):

This is a bit crazy, but the fuselage could have bent outwards on impact. The 772 has a diameter of 6.19m, which would give it a circumference of about 19.5m. This truly is stretching it but... you know, what else that big would be floating in the ocean within glide of their last known point of contact?
Quoting s5daw (Reply 309):
But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings wouldn't float, would they??

Exactly, there are no pieces which could come from a Boeing 777 of that size which would float. The only possibility as someone has suggested is three or so escape slides/rafts huddled together.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:32 pm

Quoting mach4 (Reply 307):
Aircraft size relative to reported debris size:


http://picload.org/image/laoilop/malaysia_b772_9m.jpg


edit: it's not necessarily to scale, I was just comparing the shape

[Edited 2014-03-12 16:34:27]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:34 pm

Quoting awthompson (Reply 325):
Quoting nupogodi (Reply 277):

This is a bit crazy, but the fuselage could have bent outwards on impact. The 772 has a diameter of 6.19m, which would give it a circumference of about 19.5m. This truly is stretching it but... you know, what else that big would be floating in the ocean within glide of their last known point of contact?
Quoting s5daw (Reply 309):
But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings wouldn't float, would they??

Exactly, there are no pieces which could come from a Boeing 777 of that size which would float. The only possibility as someone has suggested is three or so escape slides/rafts huddled together.

If so, and if there are still survivors after all of this time, I'm sure they will be wondering when somebody is coming to rescue them...

Without food or water and being exposed to the elements, how long would the average person be able to survive out there?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:35 pm

The Malaysia bashing is getting really really old. They are frustrated they haven't found the plane, along with everyone else. They are not as media savvy as some of the western organizations are, but that does not make then incompetent.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 115):
Normally the ACARS would not report anything if nothing was going wrong. Nothing being reported would tend to support the idea that whatever happened happened quickly.
Quoting Stretch (Reply 323):


Yeah, ACARS is for maintenance.

I'm not surprised that anyone on the Malaysian side isn't aware of it. On the surface, they have seemed helpless, if not clueless about where their plane went.

Yeah I have to say, the number of mistakes and flubs they have made has made me question everything coming out of the Malay government. They referred to one of the passengers as Black who was actually Iranian and white. The radar contact that said the plane was turning is also questionable now if the chinese located the wreck.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 326):
edit: it's not necessarily to scale, I was just comparing the shape

The span of the tail is 21.5m, so you weren't really that far off on the scale.
A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:38 pm

What I don't understand is why there have been so many delays in communicating across the different teams. If it indeed turns out that these images were noted on Sunday but only released today, then, whatever the rationale, it is problematic.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:39 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 327):
Without food or water and being exposed to the elements, how long would the average person be able to survive out there?

Without water? They would likely have all perished by now. With water, without food? Healthy people can last over a month. Gandhi did it for nearly a month in his 70s.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:39 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 327):
Without food or water and being exposed to the elements, how long would the average person be able to survive out there?

I think the average is about 3-5 days without water & 5-8 weeks without food.

IF, and that's a big if there are people out there on a life raft the next 24 hours would be crucial due to dehydration really setting in.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16

Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:40 pm

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