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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:45 pm

Whoa. I just saw what I think was a US A319 or 320 get airborne, bounce once, then come down again and the nose gear collapse on takeoff on runway 27L, watching from the US lounge in A-West. I'll update as I know more here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-ai...ust-witnessed-us-accident-phl.html
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:54 pm

Nothing on the news yet.

Hopefully nothing serious.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:56 pm

Here is a picture. http://twitter.com/jimmystyle/status/444242215754555392 (Not My Account or Picture)

[Edited 2014-03-13 15:57:14]
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:57 pm

Picture is here. Looks like it overran the runway.

http://twitter.com/weeddude/status/444244435363438593

[Edited 2014-03-13 15:58:01]
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:57 pm

I just saw it on the CBS evening news. The live shot from a distance looked worse than the cell phone shot made by a passenger. They didn't have details.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:58 pm

Looking at flightradar24 I see aircraft are doing laps close to PHL. No airplanes are currently landing.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:02 pm

Clearly an A320 in that picture. Hopefully everyone is okay after evacuating.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Amusing that nothing is on CNN yet.
 
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Quoting f18raider (Reply 3):
Picture is here. Looks like it overran the runway.

http://twitter.com/weeddude/status/4...38593

People, you are NOT supposed to take your bags and rollerbags down with you when you evacuate. Cant believe that some still do that.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:07 pm

Quoting phlwok (Thread starter):
Whoa. I just saw what I think was a US A319 or 320 get airborne, bounce once, then come down again and the nose gear collapse on takeoff on runway 27L

NBC local affiliate is reporting on local News that nose gear collapsed on landing, not take-off.
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
ople, you are NOT supposed to take your bags and rollerbags down with you when you evacuate. Cant believe that some still do that.

I'd take whatever I could carry out of there! Who wants to wait DAYS for their stuff to be pulled out of the aircraft? You know the NTSB will have that thing on lockdown. Especially considering this was a low-excitement-level evacuation, why not take a few extra seconds to unload some valuables?
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:07 pm

Sounds like it may have taken off a little bit and then rejected take off. A lot of weight on the MLG.

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Very Very windy day in PHL, gusts up to 35 mph. This may have played a role.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 12):
I'd take whatever I could carry out of there! Who wants to wait DAYS for their stuff to be pulled out of the aircraft? You know the NTSB will have that thing on lockdown. Especially considering this was a low-excitement-level evacuation, why not take a few extra seconds to unload some valuables?

You'd rather risk your's and other passenger's lives just to get your damn roller board? Unbelievable...
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Not trying to change the subject but I always wondered what would be the outcome if an aircraft had to reject takeoff on the 1s at SFO. Having seen a 747 takeoff on 1R a few weeks ago, It looked to me if they had to reject a takeoff it would clearly be in the water unlike this incident where at the same time I don't want to downplay this situation would be much more serious if not catastrophic. Good luck to all our commrads today at US and I hope everyone is safe.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 11):
NBC local affiliate is reporting on local News that nose gear collapsed on landing, not take-off.

100% certain he was taking off. Watched the start of the roll, and they were on 27L, in use for takeoffs only at the time.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 12):
I'd take whatever I could carry out of there! Who wants to wait DAYS for their stuff to be pulled out of the aircraft? You know the NTSB will have that thing on lockdown. Especially considering this was a low-excitement-level evacuation, why not take a few extra seconds to unload some valuables?

Your valuables won't do you any good if you don't survive the evacuation.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 12):
I'd take whatever I could carry out of there! Who wants to wait DAYS for their stuff to be pulled out of the aircraft?

How selfish. You know, there is a reason why you are not supposed to take anything with you in case of evacuation, even if you believe that the situation isnt bad.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:11 pm

So your plane crashes, what's the first thing you do?
Take a selfie of course!
https://twitter.com/han_horan/status/444246200451989504/photo/1
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:11 pm

Post-evacuation selfie!

https://twitter.com/han_horan/status/444246200451989504/photo/1
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:12 pm

Reportedly it's US 1702 to FLL: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE1702
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:13 pm

I´ve been on an evac and I didn´t have that issue of people trying to get anything with them. But they clearly do, from videos I´ve seen on Youtube. If I´m ever on another one, the idiot next to me that is delaying my exit for trying to get whatever from the overhead is getting seriously hurt when I put him out of the way.

Incredible nobody remembers the AC DC-9 and that British Airtours 737.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:21 pm

Personally, I would probably be cuddling my camera, but that would be in my hands at the time anyway.

Getting thins from the overhead locker is just crazy.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:23 pm

Looks like it was taking off based on the flap position.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:23 pm

It's on CNN.com now; quoting a US Airways representative, it was the FLL flight, blowing a tire on take-off. 1 minor injury. Phew!!!
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 12):

I wouldn't call for banning you but you aren't winning any popularity contests this go around but, you don't know till you air your opinion. BTW are you from New York or Boston?
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:30 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 12):
why not take a few extra seconds

Because the fire that's about to flare up because the situation was more severe than first thought won't wait for you or anybody else to grab their luggage. Sure, this one appears to be a fairly simple affair, but it could have been a different story. You don't know things are all clear until they definitely are.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:35 pm

Here's a picture: (Photo by Dennis Fee)

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1977077_616773015065469_1658994607_n.jpg
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 32):
Sure, this one appears to be a fairly simple affair, but it could have been a different story.

In addition bags going down slides increase the chances of damaging the slide or blocking up the bottom of the slide and slowing down the evacuation flow.
 
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Windy as hell and cold here in eastern PA today. I'm sure some people thought, "Can we get back on....?"
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:39 pm

Some more pics. Hopefully no one is hurt.

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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:47 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 38):

Look at that flying slide in the first pic. Was that before or after the pax evacuated?

Edit: I guess it was after, seeing all of the people on the field. Duh...

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Quoting 747d10 (Reply 41):
Look at that flying slide in the first pic. Was that before or after the pax evacuated?

I hope after, because an f/a should check if it is safe to evacuate through the doors before opening them.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:50 pm

Coverage is starting to appear, at least in aviation-focused news sites.

US Airways Plane Crashes in Philly

Quote:
A US Airways Airbus A320 overran the runway while landing at Philadelphia International Airport within the past hour.

Flight 1702 was headed to Fort Lauderdale...

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Quoting 747d10 (Reply 41):
Look at that flying slide in the first pic. Was that before or after the pax evacuated?

Doesn't US train FA's NOT to deploy aft slides in a nosegear collapse evac?
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Quoting AR385 (Reply 24):
Incredible nobody remembers the AC DC-9 and that British Airtours 737.

I know it's Wikipedia, but even so: -
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:55 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 44):
Doesn't US train FA's NOT to deploy aft slides in a nosegear collapse evac?

You would sure hope so. Add more minor injuries to the list if anybody tried using that slide.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:55 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 38):
Some more pics. Hopefully no one is hurt.

That first photo is pretty scary, look at the slide at the rear door. Is there procedure for when to NOT open doors? What if someone went down/got pushed out of that and didn't find the ground at the end of the slide?
 
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Quoting toltommy (Reply 44):
Doesn't US train FA's NOT to deploy aft slides in a nosegear collapse evac?

Lets not Monday morning quarterback yet. Could have been a passenger that opened the door. Could have been a lot of things. I am pretty sure no one evacuated that slide as you can tell.
 
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Quoting phileet92 (Reply 47):
What if someone went down/got pushed out of that and didn't find the ground at the end of the slide?

That slide is that way because of the wind. If people were going down it, it would go all the way to the ground.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:58 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 44):
Doesn't US train FA's NOT to deploy aft slides in a nosegear collapse evac?

I would be surprised if they did. When I was with UA, there was no training on NOT deploying aft slides during a nose gear collapse. The only standard "do not deploy" training was for tail-heavy aircraft in water (a la the US flight in the Hudson). Yes, it would be safer and easier to exit forward from the pictures viewed above, but my guess is that if you put too many caveats in training, the overall skills get more muddled. If you are on fire, you evacuate out of whatever hole you can make in the airplane. That has to be the core of the training. Early in this evacuation, it may not have been clear to the flight attendants seated at 2L/R that a major fire was not underway. There was smoke in the first photo. If I saw the smoke and couldn't tell where it was coming from, I would get my door open regardless of the angle of the slide.
 
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There are so many things wrong with this evacuation that I sincerely hope the FAA throws the book at US.

I mean: people with their carry-ons, shopping bags, the rear door slide open and inflated when the aircraft is nose-down.

Seriously, the FA deserve to be retrained or dismissed based on this.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:04 am

ATC recording on LiveATC.Net from the archives of KPHL Tower West 13-MAR-14 2200Z-2230Z start listening at minute 21.

Line up at wait at 22 minutes and 20 seconds.

Cleared for take off at 23 minutes and 08 seconds.


http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kphl/KPHL-Twr2-Mar-13-2014-2200Z.mp3
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:04 am

Quoting runway23 (Reply 51):
There are so many things wrong with this evacuation that I sincerely hope the FAA throws the book at US.

I mean: people with their carry-ons, shopping bags, the rear door slide open and inflated when the aircraft is nose-down.

Seriously, the FA deserve to be retrained or dismissed based on this.

Would there also be some kind of regulation concerning how close people could stand to the aircraft after services have arrived? I mean, yes, the risk of explosion is extremely low, but if I were evacuating an aircraft in such a scenario, I wouldn't stop barely 50 feet out to take a picture.
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First off, regardless of the airline, emergency evacuations in the United States almost always have people taking bags off with them. While dangerous, there is no reason to hijack this thread to complain about it.

What I am curious is what actually happened. I am hearing reports that a tire blew in takeoff causing a rejected takeoff. Was this a nose gear tire? I guess that could have caused a gear collapse, but that still surprises me. I am curious if anyone knows if there are any other factors.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:07 am

I cant wait to read Part 20 of this thread!!!   

In all seriousness I am glad to see that it seems like for the most part everyone was ok.. I am guessing the new "trend" now when in a plane crash is to post a selfie of yourself on twitter.. " Maaa look at me #no nose gear # daytookaturn for the worse..
 
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Quoting Dwcontroller (Reply 52):

Thanks for the post.

Incident communication starts at 24:10 for those interested.
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