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Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:41 am

Some interesting news in the following article. Houston Airport System Director Mario Diaz claims that IAH could see the addition of 4 more international airlines in 2014 in addition to the already announced service from Korean Air. Supposedly two airlines are close to committing and two others are very interested. I know these types of comments need to be taken with a grain of salt, but Diaz doesn't tend to make statements like this if there isn't some substance behind them. That hasn't been his MO in the past. No mention of which airlines or from what region, but interesting none the less.

Another nugget from the article is the discussion of the long overdue need to overhaul Terminal D.


http://www.houstonchronicle.com/busi...ector-touts-success-of-5315690.php
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:48 am

Hmm...Well, of course there is EVA, they are talking 2015. I'd guess Ethiad may jump in the foray, other than that...who knows. There are always the Air New Zealand, Norwegian/SAS, and LATAM rumors...
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:49 am

I'm going to say Scandinavian OSL-IAH, Cathay HKG-IAH, Interjet MTY-IAH, And Swiss ZRH-IAH. Those are just my wild guesses. Long shot? Probably, but they make sense (maybe not Swiss, but the others do).
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:58 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 2):

Really not sure about CX

CX needs to add SEA before considering IAH

Maybe they'll switch one NRT flight to ANA
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:58 am

Makes United look foolish (once again) for telling IAH they were going to punish them with less international expansion for supporting the new customs facilities at Hobby.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 2):

IAH, UA, and the foreign carriers are working on replacing Terminal D with a completely new International terminal.
quote:
We have
engaged in productive dialogue with United Airlines and the
foreign flag carriers to begin the design and construction of a
completely new terminal, replacing the existing terminal D.
Some of you may have received the notice announcing the
industry day event the Houston Airport System will be hosting
this evening to communicate the vision we have planned for
the new terminal and to provide guidance to the design teams
assembling as we speak on the quality of design, the features
we would like to see and the wish for creativity that will
address the desire to make not so much an architectural
statement



recognition upon arrival by a passenger that they have arrived
in Houston.

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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 3):

Seems to make about as much sense KE starting IAH. That's just my logic though.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):

And it's only going to get worse in 2015. Maybe this actually beneficial to UA though. They start a codeshare, thus they do not have to use their own equipment (plus, it makes for a better spotting trip)
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:07 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):

their move was indeed foolish, but it was a political move. UA has made some recent international expansion in IAH, with the new IAH-MUC, 2nd daily IAH-NRT. More will come in the future.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 5):
IAH, UA, and the foreign carriers are working on replacing Terminal D with a completely new International terminal.

Why would UA want to put money into D, that is the only terminal they do not normally use? They still need to figure out B north.

Diaz has been winning a lot of awards lately, maybe he knows more than we think LOL

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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Why would UA want to put money into D, that is the only terminal they do not normally use? They still need to figure out B north.

Diaz has been winning a lot of awards lately, maybe he knows more than we think LOL

True that! there is an event being held tonight about this new terminal.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:17 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
Makes United look foolish (once again) for telling IAH they were going to punish them with less international expansion for supporting the new customs facilities at Hobby.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Diaz has been winning a lot of awards lately, maybe he knows more than we think LOL

UA must have negative leverage with HAS at this point. Everything they've pulled has been back-filled in spades.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:21 am

Hoping for LOT! But thinking of Interjet, Swiss, SN, and the long shot, Westjet.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:21 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

or maybe UA is getting in to IAH's potential like the other carriers are...
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:38 am

Actually, as much as I'd love to see more airlines at my home airport, I hope this is misconstrued from UA adding four more destinations. As a nonrev, this would be amazing.
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Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):

could be...
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:51 am

TWA7772LR, did you actually take the time to read the article? It clearly says that they could welcome four more "international carriers" in 2014. Again, if you have followed Mario Diaz's stint as the Director of the HAS, he has not been the type to postulate in the press without substance.

Take this all for what you will, but it seems we may have some exciting new announcements coming soon.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:06 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 15):

TWA7772LR, did you actually take the time to read the article?

I did read the article. But it doesn't hurt to hope, especially as it seems my favorite airline is missing the boat on serious chances to make money out of my home airport.

Some more Star carriers or UA interline would be awesome. Which airlines does UA have interline agreements with?
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:10 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 12):
Hoping for LOT! But thinking of Interjet, Swiss, SN, and the long shot, Westjet.

As in LOT Polish Airlines? I think LOT has bigger fish to fry in North America before entering the IAH market like IAD and MIA or LAX. Besides if they do expand their long haul operations, it will probably be Asian cities.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:21 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Thread starter):
Another nugget from the article is the discussion of the long overdue need to overhaul Terminal D.

Since the article requires Chron subscriber access, are there any key points regarding the overhaul of D?
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 12):
or maybe UA is getting in to IAH's potential like the other carriers are...

UA simply does not have the resources to do so. Honestly, I would not expect them to, with other international gateways and competition to worry about, how do you make the decision to not take advantage of those opportunities? And I for one am content with other carriers serving IAH at this point vs. a total UA international dominance. UA has not really done Houston any favors in recent times. IAH-NRT was a reallocation from SEA and that was nice...IAH-MUC is cool...I just would have rather it have been served by an LH 330.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:33 am

CI returning???! But from where? They've dropped SEA now. TPE-ANC-IAH?? And with what equipment?
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:33 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 20):
UA has not really done Houston any favors in recent times

I will have to disagree with that though, Terminal B south was a big favor, albeit needed badly.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:37 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 22):
I will have to disagree with that though, Terminal B south was a big favor, albeit needed badly

Term B south was big favour for UA it doesn't hurt IAH but they were not being altruistic.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 23):
but they were not being altruistic.

I certainly hope not!
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:42 am

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 23):

I see, but I meant a business favor, like a new terminal or service.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:50 am

Terminal B was planned prior to the merger, and lest we forget Terminal B North was held with a gun to its head in regards to the HOU debacle...I don't even know if B North is continuing or not to be honest. What is the status?
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 26):

That was a political move, perfect scapegoat to make planned capacity cuts.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:52 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 26):

HAS still has it on their site, so I assume it's still a go.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:39 am

Some ideas:
Scandinavian to OSL - Don't know how many PDEW but I would imagine there is some oil traffic there.
Austrian to VIE - I would love to see this route. OPEC is headquartered in Vienna and it's Star hub to Star hub. However, I think there is too much overlap with the new UA MUC route.
Avianca to BOG - Another Star hub to Star hub route for South America - USA connections.
Swiss to ZRH - Another one I would personally like to see. However like OS to VIE, I think it would cannibalize the UA IAH-MUC flight which is already part of the Lufthansa Group's JV with UA.
Etihad to AUH - The ME3 seem to be in copycat mode right now. Though this will be tough with TK as well as QR & EK in the mix.
Cathay Pacific to HKG - That would be a lot of Asia lift with UA, CA, KE & the BR flight starting in 2015.
Virgin Atlantic to LHR - IAH-LHR is a strong market but unlike BA and UA there won't be connecting opportunities and I don't know that the local market can sustain 3x UA, 2x BA plus VS.
Air New Zealand - Longest shot of them all. Maybe IAH will get their service to Oceania after all?

[Edited 2014-03-13 21:41:05]
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:37 am

I was present at the event yesterday--I believe the Chron has misquoted Diaz. He repeatedly (with several slides) touted the three they've recently added (Turkish, Air China, Korean Air) soon. He said something like the following: "in the last year we've had three major additions begin or be announced--with a fourth on the way." Not "four more," but "a fourth." As we know, that is EVA Air.

Nothing else to see here...
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:52 am

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Why would UA want to put money into D, that is the only terminal they do not normally use? They still need to figure out B north.

It makes sense really.....that's 12 more gates in which 7 of them can be used for widebodies (of course pending what arrivals are parked where)
 
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Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 29):
Austrian to VIE - I would love to see this route. OPEC is headquartered in Vienna and it's Star hub to Star hub. However, I think there is too much overlap with the new UA MUC route.

No, not going to happen. OS is just about to start EWR.

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Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 30):
I was present at the event yesterday--I believe the Chron has misquoted Diaz. He repeatedly (with several slides) touted the three they've recently added (Turkish, Air China, Korean Air) soon. He said something like the following: "in the last year we've had three major additions begin or be announced--with a fourth on the way." Not "four more," but "a fourth." As we know, that is EVA Air.

Nothing else to see here...

The article specifically attributes the following comments to Diaz:

"Diaz did not specify which carriers are in talks, but he described two of the deals as close to completion and said two other airlines are "very interested" in adding routes here."

That comment could not possibly mean he was discussing airlines that have already started service to IAH or that have announced service to IAH.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:14 pm

Ok, Ill make a guess. If 4 more international airlines came to IAH, I think they would be:

AV: Given the Star Alliance connection and the good sized market between IAH and BOG, its not out of the question
EY: Only natural that IAH will eventually have all three of the Gulf carriers given the make up of the market
Interjet: IAH-Mexico
WS: IAH-YEG or YYC. Large markets, good yields, why not?

Who I dont think will show up:

CX: Forget about it. They arent interested. I cant site my source for that, but I have a good one.
LAN: Makes no sense with UA completely dominating the market and no alliance ties. The largest and most high yielding route out of IAH to South America is GIG and UA has it more than covered with a daily 777. The market between IAH and South America is heavily IAH originating. Those guys bend over backward for their UA miles.
OS: Unless they add destinations in the Middle East and the former Soviet Republics, there would be nothing of vaule to feed.

Wild cards:

NH: Only if UA goes back down to one flight a day to NRT though
OZ: Not until they get a much larger fleet
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 21):
CI returning?

No BR.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
AV: Given the Star Alliance connection and the good sized market between IAH and BOG, its not out of the question

Because of rebranding of TA into AV, AV would not be a new carrier, but IAH-BOG would be a new route for AV that could add to UA's twice daily flight.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
OZ: Not until they get a much larger fleet

With KE soon to start at daily, I just can't see OZ start service here even as they expand their fleet.

NZ, LX, and SK are the 3 Star carriers that I would love to see here at IAH, and if any of them did start they would be a nice addition to D.

My wild card carrier is SV. It's that gut feeling.

I miss the days when IAH folks like myself would dream of the days of AZ and AI starting IAH as reality while SQ and LH bringing their A380 as a pipedream. My how things change!
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 35):
NZ, LX, and SK are the 3 Star carriers that I would love to see here at IAH, and if any of them did start they would be a nice addition to D

Forgot about SK. That could be a possibility.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
AV: Given the Star Alliance connection and the good sized market between IAH and BOG, its not out of the question

AV flies IAH-SAL and IAH-RTB.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
LAN: Makes no sense with UA completely dominating the market and no alliance ties. The largest and most high yielding route out of IAH to South America is GIG and UA has it more than covered with a daily 777. The market between IAH and South America is heavily IAH originating. Those guys bend over backward for their UA miles.

It's not like LAN/TAM has such a compelling hard product over UA to convince people to fly them even if miles weren't a concern (the only exception being TAM's new F on 77W)

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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
their move was indeed foolish, but it was a political move. UA has made some recent international expansion in IAH, with the new IAH-MUC, 2nd daily IAH-NRT. More will come in the future.

They've got some catching up to do. They are not as dominant in Mexico as they were in the Continental days, and they're even losing influence in Latin America/Caribbean. Considering Latin America is a good revenue-maker and Houston is a natural gateway, UA should be doing better. It would help if they weren't cutting their domestic feed; they've pared off enough spokes from IAH to give Spirit an opening.

As for foreign flags, I'd guess ANA, possibly Etihad, possibly Cathay or EVA, and possibly Saudia. At some point, Copa is going to figure out that deference to UA from their PTY hub is restricting their ability to provide feed to the rest of Latin America. But it's hard to see which of the remaining Star Alliance carriers is going to set foot in Houston.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:11 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Everything they've pulled has been back-filled in spades.

They screwed the pooch by cutting some of the local Texas markets and lopping off cities from Mexico. BPT, offered bus service to IAH instead of planes, chose to go with American instead.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 23):
Term B south was big favour for UA it doesn't hurt IAH but they were not being altruistic.

I'm not sure who made the decision not to hang jet bridges on those B gates. The days of passengers walking across tarmacs to get into airplanes died out in the 21st Century.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:21 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 38):
LAN: Makes no sense with UA completely dominating the market and no alliance ties.

UA has no entry into SCL at the moment, so it's a possibility.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 42):
UA has no entry into SCL at the moment, so it's a possibility.

As far as LAN flying IAH-SCL, there is no possibility whatsoever. Its not even remotely on the radar. Should LA fly to IAH, it could only be to LIM (the hub) or GIG (the target market). IAH-SCL is a very small local market. The only decent sized market SCL could feed (geographically) is EZE which already has a nonstop flight.

LA at IAH is delusional. Not saying IAH-SCL couldnt work on UA, but definately not on LAN.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:36 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 43):
The only decent sized market SCL could feed (geographically) is EZE which already has a nonstop flight.

I think the O&D passenger numbers between IAH-SCL don't tell the whole story. It might be more instructive to look at cargo traffic between the Port of Houston and Chile.

KE was never expected to show up in Houston, but when they did, it was 7 flights a week.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:54 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
AV: Given the Star Alliance connection and the good sized market between IAH and BOG, its not out of the question

Already there my friend.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 43):
LA at IAH is delusional.

People thought KE was delusional. Alas, where do we find ourselves. Sometimes we don't know everything on a.net.

My bet is that Etihad or NZ or Interjet are coming.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:20 pm

If SK is to start OSL-IAH they must move one of their A340's to OSL. I'd think it's safer to say that we'll see a CPH-IAH at a start.
 
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Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:26 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 45):
My bet is that Etihad or NZ or Interjet are coming.

I'm guessing Etihad or NZ too. Maybe UAL canned its proposed IAH-AKL route knowing that NZ would pick it up once the 789 arrived. That way Star would have two new routes linking the USA to the South Pacific: LAX-MEL on UA 789 and AKL-IAH on NZ 789.

What do you think would make more sense on the IAH-AKL route, UA metal or NZ metal? I'm wondering if NZ and UA decided it would be better for NZ to operate this route a while ago?
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I'm too stubborn to believe that UA had any plans about IAH-AKL to begin with. I do believe that the route is better operated on NZ metal though.
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Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:35 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Hoping for LOT! But thinking of Interjet, Swiss, SN, and the long shot, Westjet.

I'd think LO and SN are the longshots out of those. I think InterJet and WestJet might be possibilities (Interjet moreso than WestJet).  
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Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos