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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:42 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 48):
I do believe that the route is better operated on NZ metal though.

Me too. I think the NZ product would be better than the UA product - assuming the UA 788 / 789 offer the same product. I flew on a UA 788 from DEN-IAH and I would not want to fly in a 789 if it was the same on a flight from IAH-AKL. I'm thin and barely 6 foot tall but I just felt cramped... Then again, NZ fit 10 across in the back of their 77W... Also, using NZ metal would give IAH the status of being served by another airline, which this thread is about...
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:44 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 47):

If, and only if NZ started IAH it will be operated by 77E. The NZ 789 is in a high density configuration with very few premium seats which is suitable to the asian routes. Mainland USA is much more of a premium market for NZ and it would require the additional J & Y+ seats that the 77E would provide.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:57 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 47):

I'm guessing Etihad or NZ too. Maybe UAL canned its proposed IAH-AKL route knowing that NZ would pick it up once the 789 arrived. That way Star would have two new routes linking the USA to the South Pacific: LAX-MEL on UA 789 and AKL-IAH on NZ 789.

NZ is very unlikely to send a 789 across the pacific for a couple of years, they have stated that they are all getting used mainly to Asia to replace the 763/772 on these routes.

The 789 would have to many etpos restrictions on them across the pacific. When the 772/77W fleet get to almost fly a direct route between NZ/US.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:10 am

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 29):
Air New Zealand - Longest shot of them all. Maybe IAH will get their service to Oceania after all?
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 45):
My bet is that Etihad or NZ or Interjet are coming.
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 47):
I'm guessing Etihad or NZ too. Maybe UAL canned its proposed IAH-AKL route knowing that NZ would pick it up once the 789 arrived. That way Star would have two new routes linking the USA to the South Pacific: LAX-MEL on UA 789 and AKL-IAH on NZ 789.
Quoting zkncj (Reply 52):
NZ is very unlikely to send a 789 across the pacific for a couple of years, they have stated that they are all getting used mainly to Asia to replace the 763/772 on these routes.

NZ will definitely not start service to IAH in 2014. They've just announced, for the southern summer (northern winter) season, a 3x weekly upgrade on AKL-NRT (to 10x weekly), a 3x weekly upgrade to AKL-SFO (also to 10x weekly), a 3x weekly upgrade to AKL-LAX (to 17x weekly), and a 2x weekly seasonal service on CHC-PER. They just don't have the capacity to do anything more this year.

Having said that, the carrier has flagged that IAH and DEN are very much on the radar, being *A hubs. They seemed to have dropped mention of ORD in that context of late, but earlier that was also on the radar. But the most recent announcements also signalled that there may be a new Asian destination in the wind as well, and that could push back any new US services further through lack of capacity.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:19 am

KLM adding more flights and what about Air India? And the talks with South Africa?
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:22 am

Quoting iah59 (Reply 54):

Can AI make it all the way to IAH?
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:36 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 53):

NZ will definitely not start service to IAH in 2014. They've just announced, for the southern summer (northern winter) season, a 3x weekly upgrade on AKL-NRT (to 10x weekly), a 3x weekly upgrade to AKL-SFO (also to 10x weekly), a 3x weekly upgrade to AKL-LAX (to 17x weekly), and a 2x weekly seasonal service on CHC-PER. They just don't have the capacity to do anything more this year.

Yep I was thinking the same. Maybe next year if they see the need, that would need 789's to run HKG or SIN most likely freeing up a 772, although they will be a 772 down this summer with the refits so maybe once that is done.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:49 am

I am guessing that Interjet would not be one of the airlines. If they were to start service to Houston I would think they will wait until the international terminal at Hobby is complete which will be in 2015.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:01 am

That's my guess, I could see West jet and Interjet, Copa going to HOU.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:27 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 58):
Copa going to HOU.

I could see that as UAs way of sticking it to WN and the city as pay back. Or UA could do their own dirty work.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:02 am

   It wouldn't be till 2015 at the earliest. by the sounds of it on the NZ aviation thread there is a little bit of slack in the 77E fleet in NW 2014/15, but probably only enough for a 1x or 2x weekly increase to an existing route, and not even enough for a 3x weekly IAH, with the recent announcements of increasing SFO and NRT to 10x weekly.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:27 pm

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 29):
Austrian to VIE - I would love to see this route. OPEC is headquartered in Vienna and it's Star hub to Star hub. However, I think there is too much overlap with the new UA MUC route.

It's interesting that if you search for flights this summer to Central Europe on UA.com, very seldom will they show options utilizing the IAH-MUC flight. Where it is an option, it tends to be one of, if not the, most expensive. For flights to VIE from IAH, UA would much rather connect you to OS in IAD or ORD, or more surprisingly, try to fly you on UA metal to LHR, then connect to OS there, which involves a terminal change. For flights to ZRH, you will see connections over FRA, EWR, and YYZ. Same holds true for PRG and BUD routings. I'm surprised they do not offer more connectivity over MUC since commencing this service, but maybe they feel there is enough O and D to MUC to fill up the plane. I personally wish IAH-MUC were being flown by LH on an A330, but we have to take things as they are.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:26 am

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 61):
try to fly you on UA metal to LHR, then connect to OS there, which involves a terminal change

Soon not anymore, when Terminal 2 opens.

But the whole United Booking Engine is strange. They always try and force me into weird TATL routings with them, e.g. SZG-VIE-AMS-IAD.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:51 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 55):

With EK, QR already in the market it will be tough for AI. In addition, Indian carriers cannot add any new US destinations until the FAA downgrade issues are resolved.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 58):

Highly unlikely that COPA will go fly to HOU. If they decide, they will only fly to IAH. They have an alliance with UA for connections.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 63):

With EK, QR already in the market it will be tough for AI. In addition, Indian carriers cannot add any new US destinations until the FAA downgrade issues are resolved.

Yep, As AI was hinting at an IAH route back in the late 90s/early 00s, however they were dragging their feet and as we have seen EK and QR came in and cleaned up, whats that old saying....... "you snooze, you lose".
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:38 pm

ANA is a possibility. I've got to assume that NH as a Star Alliance carrier would want to provide a Houston spoke for its operations at NRT or possibly Haneda.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:48 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 65):

I can see ANA on IAH-HND.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:02 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 66):

Would most likely be a 788 right?
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:03 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 65):
I've got to assume that NH as a Star Alliance carrier would want to provide a Houston spoke for its operations at NRT or possibly Haneda

As far as a *A carrier to offer connection opportunties in Asia , Air China has already moved in on that. UA already runs IAH-NRT. So maybe IAH is well served already for NRT.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:03 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 67):

I would say so.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:59 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 64):

The market seems to be almost endless though. It's to the point where pax are having to be routed through DFW to get to the Middle East because both EK and QR fill their planes everyday.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 64):

Yep, As AI was hinting at an IAH route back in the late 90s/early 00s, however they were dragging their feet and as we have seen EK and QR came in and cleaned up, whats that old saying....... "you snooze, you lose".

I think if AI had come in and started service at IAH that EK and QR would have run AI out if IAH because of their better service. I even think that if just one of them had started service after AI that AI would have quit IAH. No comparison
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:52 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 71):
I think if AI had come in and started service at IAH that EK and QR would have run AI out if IAH because of their better service. I even think that if just one of them had started service after AI that AI would have quit IAH. No comparison

Agreed, Let's look at AI's short stint at LAX, how long was that (I am thinking that it lasted a year) ? If they could not have made LA work, I doubt that Houston would have had much of a chance of succeeding, with or without EK or QR.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 72):
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 72):
Agreed, Let's look at AI's short stint at LAX, how long was that (I am thinking that it lasted a year) ? If they could not have made LA work, I doubt that Houston would have had much of a chance of succeeding, with or without EK or QR

That was many years ago when the 747 series planes were the aircraft of choice for long haul service. Add the fact the AI had to route through LHR made the route unviable.
 
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting Fastphilly (Reply 73):

That was many years ago when the 747 series planes were the aircraft of choice for long haul service. Add the fact the AI had to route through LHR made the route unviable.


Actually I thought it was routed through FRA. Anywho, as AI's financial fortunes began to sour soon after the launch of the LAX route (along with Jet and Kingfisher), I doubt that any AI service to IAH would have lasted very long. Any talk of AI (or Jet) expanding into the US is pretty much moot anyways at this point as pointed out earlier in this thread, until the FAA upgrades their rating.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 63):
Highly unlikely that COPA will go fly to HOU. If they decide, they will only fly to IAH. They have an alliance with UA for connections.

Wrong, COPA cannot fly to the same airports as UA. Hence no COPA at pmco airports, But ITS OK at pmua.
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 75):
COPA cannot fly to the same airports as UA.

I think you shouldv'e clarified and say sCO HUBS. Is that deal even still around?

If the deal is still around, then they have no choice but to fly to HOU, if they do decide to fly to Houston anyways. But I don't see if happening for some years, if at all.

I still think UA should take advantage of the HOU expansion and offer some point-to-point flights to, lets say, CUN CZM and SJU. And to really annoy the City of Houston and WN, they can use ERJs instead of mainline.   
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RE: IAH Could See 4 More International Airlines In 2014

Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:56 am

Yep, that deal is still around as far as I know. So sCO hubs is a no go. It would be smart for them to leverage CM at HOU to PTY.
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