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piliage
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:31 am

Quoting wukka (Reply 286):
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 18):
Was there enough fuel on board to have flown to Diego Garcia?

Curious question. Wondered the same.

There is only one small problem with landing a hijacked triple 7 at Diego Garcia...
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/b2diegogarciags_4.jpg

You'd quickly have a bit of company...
 
gr325
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:34 am

Quoting Piliage (Reply 301):
There is only one small problem with landing a hijacked triple 7 at Diego Garcia...
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/b2diegogarciags_4.jpg

You'd quickly have a bit of company...

Imagine that, the perfect plot to hijack and just missed this tiny bit of detail on Diego Garcia
"You should have gone to specsavers"
 
tomlee
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:34 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 299):
Well FDR could still tell something. If you wanted to avoid shame flying far towards Indian Ocean & then crashing it somewhere very deep would probably the optimal way to hide all solid evidence. I'm not all that convinced the aircraft will be ever found if that's what happened.

Also I don't think it would require that much planning compared to an ordinary hijack / suicide scenario.

No it would be difficult to conclude anything if there wasn't a CVR. How would anyone know who was at the controls it would be difficult to tell for sure if it wasn't a botched hijacking or not. Not to mention if you want to cover it up blip the hijack signal on the transponder for a short moment and then everyone will assume it was taken over. Why go through the effort to try and make the perfect crime when it is easy to frame obviously hostile groups.

I don't think the landing in other places scenarios are very likely either the satcom data limits are very crude so crude I don't even know why they are relying on them. (Lets put it this way normally with cellphone tower tracing they use the various towers around you that you are registered on to figure out where you are, with the inmarsat system the "towers" sats have huge ranges so the most they can tell for sure is that they are one side of earth.) They are likely using the signal/network data to try and narrow down which is why there are two solutions which are probably not very accurate at all.
 
piliage
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting gr325 (Reply 302):
Imagine that, the perfect plot to hijack and just missed this tiny bit of detail on Diego Garcia

I picture the final scene of the Blues Brothers...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bBDnaiOY84.../Blues%20Brothers%20-%20arrest.JPG
 
wukka
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 299):
Also I don't think it would require that much more planning compared to an ordinary hijack / suicide scenario

What, exactly, is "ordinary"? Hijack, there are demands to be met. Suicide, you plant into the dirt. There is nothing "ordinary" about this situation.

I, myself, see an attempt to conscientiously relocate an aircraft to a destination for a purpose.
We can agree to disagree.
 
MartynS
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:42 am

Quoting flood,reply=224

Better version of previous image:



via
:
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Surely there are equivalent plots for each of the previous "pings" that were received by inmarsat.

For each one, there will be some parts of the curve that are out of range based on distance/time from last believed known position.
Assuming the plane was travelling at same heading/speed between the different "pings", maybe there are only a few courses that intersect the ping curves at the right times - could give a possible route to start searching along.

cheers,
Martyn
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wukka
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting Piliage (Reply 301):
You'd quickly have a bit of company...

Beautiful!

However the options are limited at this point. You can go all "conspiracy theory", or you can go with "practical outcome". Seems at this point we're somewhere in the middle.
We can agree to disagree.
 
capri
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:47 am

how about an outside force remote controlling the aircraft and using it as a test bed and crew were fighting eratic autopilot the reason of altitude behaviour fl230-450
 
YoungMans
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:51 am

Not all that long ago, the Iranians forced down an unmanned US aircraft (i.e. a drone); this was despite the self-destruct technologies and whatever else that may be installed in that type of aircraft, to prevent something like that happening.

Could that kind of technology be involved in this disappearance..?
Maybe that is why there is so much confusion and, it seems, withholding of information by the authorities?
 
SA7700
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:53 am

Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please feel free to continue the discussion in part 26 which is available here:

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)


Thanks and regards,

SA7700
When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
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