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Uniteds New 737-900ER

Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:34 pm

So I was deadheading to Houston the other day and it was Uniteds newest 739ER. I noticed they didn't have DirectTV… No personal tv or anything? Whats Uniteds plan for inflight entertainment on there new 737's?
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting molitvic20 (Thread starter):
So I was deadheading to Houston the other day and it was Uniteds newest 739ER. I noticed they didn't have DirectTV… No personal tv or anything? Whats Uniteds plan for inflight entertainment on there new 737's?

I was on one a couple weeks ago: EWR or JFK (Can't remember) to SFO. The FA said that IFE was going to be retrofitted later but that it was planned. I found it surprising. I know they have been waiting for wifi to come factory installed so this could be part of that as well.

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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:38 pm

 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:13 am

the latest 100 739ER's are going to be retrofitted with Wifi and streaming video only. These airplanes are United orders and not under contract for Direct Video.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:25 am

When does the streaming content come for the folks who don't like Apple, ie the Android and Windows phone users?
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:43 am

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 4):
Windows phone users?

Well unfortunately for me no UA app for WP unless its 8, I have 7.8 but no UA app available
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:09 am

"The entertainment system will be run on United’s iOS app and its laptop browser."

Not just iOS devices, but laptops as well.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:46 am

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 4):
When does the streaming content come for the folks who don't like Apple, ie the Android and Windows phone users?

Probable when the compatible OS becomes available. Who Knows??
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:24 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
Free streaming content for Apple users

http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-...light-entertainment-for-ios-users/

Is this only for Ios 7 and above or prior operating systems as well?

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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:17 am

I'm annoyed that all of the streaming video is only for apple based systems. I guess those of us that have android should have a full battery and amuse ourselves. None of the flights I've been on including trans pacific had wifi that was working.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:31 am

Quoting UA777lover (Reply 9):
I guess those of us that have android should have a full battery and amuse ourselves.

You mean UA does not have Apple devices for sale or rental on the a/c? Wow, talk about one hand not knowing and working together with the other  
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 3):
These airplanes are United orders and not under contract for Direct Video.

So, does that make them 737-922ERs or are they -924ERs like the rest of the fleet?
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 4):
When does the streaming content come for the folks who don't like Apple, ie the Android and Windows phone users?


Android should be coming up soon.....they are waiting for the next android operating system to push.

Currently works with Apple and if I am reading their web page correctly Windows XP/7/8.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...personal-device-entertainment.aspx

Quoting UA777lover (Reply 9):
None of the flights I've been on including trans pacific had wifi that was working.

....they have WiFi on about 170 aircraft at this point.....mostly Airbii and about 90% of 747s.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont.../travel/inflight/wifi/default.aspx
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:11 pm

Here is what the stats are for wifi per the fleet status thread:

WiFi Installation (excluding ps fleet)
A319 - (55/55)
A320 - (96/97)
739 - (20/94)
744 - (20/23)
772 - (1/74)

I had to update the totals since the last update, but I am pretty sure my math is correct.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:18 pm

I recently (November) flew on a brand new 739, probably SFO-IAH, not positive, though. I was shocked to see zero IFE - no directv, no avoid, no overhead, nothing, not even audio for channel 9! Usually finding at least one of these available, I was disappointed. It's good to know now, it was probably one of these new birds slated for wireless IFE.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 11):

That's a great question. I look forward to hearing the answer. Airfleets.net may offer some insight.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:40 pm

The 9ERs being delivered now and crewed by sUA FA's are 924s. They are part of a pre existing CO order. The company played shell game with the deliveries to cover PW powered 752 retirements. As to the order for the 100 9ERs and MAX airplanes, I have no idea what customer code was used or retained.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:36 pm

Quoting aa777223 (Reply 14):

Yeah it's upsetting for sure -- especially since the 739 onboarding is at a slower pace than the 757s being retired. I think the IFE issue is going to catch a lot of travelers off-guard. There has also been ongoing consistentcy issues with streaming and wi-fi.

UA makes DL's new 739 look superior despite the DL forum on FT getting clobbered with feedback on cramped seating conditions.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:04 pm

The UA line up on the new 739ER deliveries is the wave of the future. You'll see streaming options only going forward; on domestic birds, the trend will be away from heavier and less profitable IFE/AVOD on their narrow body a/c.

There is a clear line being drawn between how a domestic and international a/c will be fitted in the UA fleet. From a financial perspective, it makes sense. From a customer standpoint, its anywhere from a mixed bag to crummy as they are shoving ever more seats in the plane and narrowing free entertainment options for the customer.

The customer isn't alone in their frustrations. UA's choices in how this a/c was equipped isn't exactly popular from a pilot's perspective either. This airframe has been massaged and stretched as much as is possible. UA decided on an engine choice that is less than the maximum available (24,200 CFM56-7B24 versus the available CFM56-7B27 which rates 27,300 lbs of thrust). I've looked through the source material and can't find any evidence they opted for the larger engine on the follow up order in 2012. If that is incorrect, I'd appreciate the source as I couldn't find it in my search. The 24,200 lb thrust rating is straight from the UA website.

The 757 engine options: Rolls-Royce [email protected],500 lb (193.5 kN) (sCO aircraft) or the Pratt & Whitney PW2040
40,100 lb (178.4 kN) (sUA aircraft).

You can see that UA decided to sacrifice a ton of performance in order to save on gas.

The problem that can crop up is the 739ER winds up weight restricted (even in the winter from say ORD to DEN or IAH to DEN given icing considerations at DEN). It also has restrictions on Hawaii ops at times and can also struggle westbound on transcons in the winter (again on occasion). UA decided that it was still cheaper to go with new a/c (and they payments) in order to save on fuel and increased maintenance on the older 757 aircraft.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:10 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
The problem that can crop up is the 739ER winds up weight restricted (even in the winter from say ORD to DEN or IAH to DEN given icing considerations at DEN). It also has restrictions on Hawaii ops at times and can also struggle westbound on transcons in the winter (again on occasion). UA decided that it was still cheaper to go with new a/c (and they payments) in order to save on fuel and increased maintenance on the older 757 aircraft.

Which still I question this move since DL is doing the opposite move and their 757s are older on average. Plus they did some interior mods on the 757s last year, now they are dumping them. It's just a shame they don't want it to work in favor of an airplane with performance issues.

Are they really weight restricted on ORD-DEN? That's a 2 hour flight. Worse than I thought. They will have major issues doing routes like BOS-SFO next winter unless UA decides to shift some lie-flat 757s on the route.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
Plus they did some interior mods on the 757s last year, now they are dumping them.

Those were the PS birds, those are staying.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
Are they really weight restricted on ORD-DEN? That's a 2 hour flight. Worse than I thought.

No, the s-CO Non-ER 739's maybe, but the ER's do not have this problem.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
The 24,200 lb thrust rating is straight from the UA website.

It says that for all the 737's but if you look at a different page it says:
737-700/-800/-900
Cruise Speed: 530 mph
Capacity: 114-173 passengers
Propulsion: Two General Electric CFM56 engines, rated at 26,400 pounds thrust each
Wingspan: Up to 117 feet, 5 inches

Basically don't trust the website, even the configurations are wrong as it should say 118-179 passengers.

[Edited 2014-03-17 11:30:23]
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:32 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 19):
Those were the PS birds, those are staying.

I was on an sUA 757 on LAX-EWR in November that had new seat covers, carpeting, and lighting. It wasn't PS.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:48 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 20):
I was on an sUA 757 on LAX-EWR in November that had new seat covers, carpeting, and lighting. It wasn't PS.

That isn't really a "mod", more like basic upkeep. Still the same drop down tv's and same seats.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 19):
It says that for all the 737's but if you look at a different page it says:
737-700/-800/-900
Cruise Speed: 530 mph
Capacity: 114-173 passengers
Propulsion: Two General Electric CFM56 engines, rated at 26,400 pounds thrust each
Wingspan: Up to 117 feet, 5 inches
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
. UA decided on an engine choice that is less than the maximum available (24,200 CFM56-7B24 versus the available CFM56-7B27 which rates 27,300 lbs of thrust).

Do not how accurate these numbers are, would have to look at the engine manual,

http://aircraft-registration.findthedata.org/l/386452/37474

"Engine Model Name CFM56-7B27E

Pounds of Thrust 27,300"
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting DualQual (Reply 15):

There's already a 924 certified, so they probably don't want the extra cost of certifying a 922. Same reason why KLM's 737 NGs are K5, not 06.

If the MAX uses the codes, they'll be 22s. Jeff may want to pretend the airline is CO, but all Boeing sees is "United Airlines" and their code is 22.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
The 757 engine options: Rolls-Royce [email protected],500 lb (193.5 kN) (sCO aircraft) or the Pratt & Whitney PW2040
40,100 lb (178.4 kN) (sUA aircraft).

You can see that UA decided to sacrifice a ton of performance in order to save on gas.

Did you choose to ignore the fact that the 737-900ers are lighter than the 757-200 and thus don't need the extra performance and more powerful engines?

The 739ER takeoff weight is up to 187,000 lbs.
The 757-200 takeoff weight is up to 250,000 lbs
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):

UA didn't use their 757s internationally, so having lower thrust ratings really didn't matter. Plus, UA and PW have had a long relationship with each other.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:56 pm

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 4):
When does the streaming content come for the folks who don't like Apple, ie the Android and Windows phone users?

For quite a while now I've only ever gone for Windows OS on my mobile- from 6.1/6.5 to 7 and now 8, but I would be surprised (pleasantly) if any effort was made to cater to users of this OS as even my carrier (Verizon) has been known to actively discourage customers from Windows in favor of Android and Apple.

As for IFE, if the iPod with every album I own isn't doing the trick, I've always happily resorted to using of those old fashioned "books" I think they were called (the ones that have paper with writing on it and don't need batteries to work)- often even looking forward to flying for that reason alone. Hooray for literacy and attention spans.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:58 pm

Thanks CALTECH! I should've sent a pm instead to you on this topic. I'm frankly relieved that they opted for the beefier engine. Hopefully that was the choice across the fleet.

From the grumpiness on the airline pilot forums, UA pilots aren't enamored with the ER.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:35 pm

Yeah, I hate to complain too much, because I love United and flew almost 99k miles with them last year, but the last few flights were not great, IFE-wise.

EWR-SFO we had nothing in First for entertainment, despite the board at the gate stating we'd have direcTV.

I don't mind reading a book, and would have bought one and shut my mouth if I had been told beforehand there'd be nothing to look at. Everyone in first spent 5+ hours staring at each other and talking about the lack of entertainment.

Then, on the way home, SFO-EWR, again in First, we had only the movie channels on DirecTV. I fly enough that I had seen every single one of the movies, so it was totally boring for me. As for my wife, she watched "Delivery Man" and "Frozen" but every single other movie was a complete drag. "The Black Nativity" "12 Years a Slave" and some other really heavy, depressing movies. Great movies, but not exactly what you'd want to watch going on vacation.

The Flight attendants basically told us there was no way for them to reset the system, and apologized for us not having regular channel access.

They better get the wifi thing sorted for non-apple users before they yank the PTVs. If they pull them and I end up staring at my android device for hours, playing angry birds, I'll start checking other airlines.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:43 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 25):
UA didn't use their 757s internationally, so having lower thrust ratings really didn't matter. Plus, UA and PW have had a long relationship with each other.

We do indeed have a long relationship with Pratt and Whitney, we not only overhaul the PW2040's in our own shops we overhaul the AirForce F117Pw120's (for the C17) in our shops as well includeing the
PW4000-94's the PW4077's and the PW4090's. and we CAN overhaul the CFM56's as well.
We do not as yet overhaul the Ge90's nor the Rolls RB211-535's but isn't like we CAN'T!! There is no internal engine difference between the CFM56-7B24 and the27.
To uprate the engine is a plug change to the Electronic Engine Control (EEC), a paperwork change and we're off to the races.
United in fact is OBSESSED with saving fuel.. It's a fact in every performance meeting we have,
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 12):
Android should be coming up soon.....they are waiting for the next android operating system to push.

My new nexus 5 I'm getting is coming with 4.4, or 4.5 can't remember, so does that mean I have to get a new phone for UAs new streaming service when it comes available to Android?
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:15 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 23):


There's already a 924 certified, so they probably don't want the extra cost of certifying a 922. Same reason why KLM's 737 NGs are K5, not 06.

If the MAX uses the codes, they'll be 22s. Jeff may want to pretend the airline is CO, but all Boeing sees is "United Airlines" and their code is 22.


The -924 isn't a certification issue, it's a matter of which corporate entity ordered the aircraft. The sUA 9ERs were moved from a pre merger CO order, thus having the 24 customer code as they were ordered by and intended for CO. My guess is the MAX will be 22 as will the 100 or so ERs that were part of that order. As to what code future orders use from the combined UCH aka UA it will be whatever code Boeing is using (my guess is 22). As much as I dislike the guy, Jeff has no say in the Boeing customer code. That's a Boeing record keeping function.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:25 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 29):
To uprate the engine is a plug change to the Electronic Engine Control (EEC), a paperwork change and we're off to the races.

And this is how it looks.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
The problem that can crop up is the 739ER winds up weight restricted (even in the winter from say ORD to DEN or IAH to DEN given icing considerations at DEN). It also has restrictions on Hawaii ops at times and can also struggle westbound on transcons in the winter (again on occasion). UA decided that it was still cheaper to go with new a/c (and they payments) in order to save on fuel and increased maintenance on the older 757 aircraft.

I wouldn't think icing conditions at the destination would affect takeoff performance at the origin, only 2 hours away.

UA was running the 739ER on Hawaii, but have mostly gone to 738s as I believe fuel capacity is the limiting factor not take off performance. The 739ER weights about 7,000 lbs more than the 738 and CO/UA didn't buy aux tanks, so the fuel capacity is the same. Even if the passenger, bags, cargo load is the same on the 738 and 739ER, the 738 should be able to fly farther as it would weigh less. With 1 aux tank, extra fuel could be loaded, thus allowing the aircraft to fly farther and still be under MGTOW, which is about 13,000 lbs. greater than the 738.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:29 pm

"United recently completed Wi-Fi installation on it's 200th aircraft. This is an important milestone given the complexity of satellite Wi-Fi – the video shown here is a time lapse video showing the significant amount of work that goes into each installation.
United's Airbus A320s are complete, and the first Wi-Fi-equipped international Boeing 777 began flying in early March. United plans to have Wi-Fi installed on more than half the fleet by this summer, with installations largely complete by the end of 2014 and the following near-term milestones:
· United will complete Boeing 747s in May
· United will complete A319s in June (only one aircraft remains without Wi-Fi)
· In the next several months United will complete more than 50 737 installations, including all 737-900ERs that currently do not have Wi-Fi or entertainment.
United is currently sending more than 25,000 emails per day to customers notifying them if United plans to make Wi-Fi available on their scheduled flights.
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 33):
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 17):
The problem that can crop up is the 739ER winds up weight restricted (even in the winter from say ORD to DEN or IAH to DEN given icing considerations at DEN). It also has restrictions on Hawaii ops at times and can also struggle westbound on transcons in the winter (again on occasion). UA decided that it was still cheaper to go with new a/c (and they payments) in order to save on fuel and increased maintenance on the older 757 aircraft.

I wouldn't think icing conditions at the destination would affect takeoff performance at the origin, only 2 hours away.

UA was running the 739ER on Hawaii, but have mostly gone to 738s as I believe fuel capacity is the limiting factor not take off performance. The 739ER weights about 7,000 lbs more than the 738 and CO/UA didn't buy aux tanks, so the fuel capacity is the same. Even if the passenger, bags, cargo load is the same on the 738 and 739ER, the 738 should be able to fly farther as it would weigh less. With 1 aux tank, extra fuel could be loaded, thus allowing the aircraft to fly farther and still be under MGTOW, which is about 13,000 lbs. greater than the 738.

The icing comment was based on pilot feedback from the airlinepilotforum.com comments. I get that some of them may just be generally grumpy since there seem to be lots of integration issues still present. It seemed strange to me as well given the distances between IAH or ORD and DEN aren't that great.
 
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RE: Uniteds New 737-900ER

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:16 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 30):
My new nexus 5 I'm getting is coming with 4.4, or 4.5 can't remember, so does that mean I have to get a new phone for UAs new streaming service when it comes available to Android?

Probably not. Lots of services - other than Amazon - have figured out streaming video to Android. Amazon wants everybody to have a Kindle.

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