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Mir
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:30 am

Quoting rebr (Reply 292):
Looks more like a F100 to me...

Can't be - the tail casts a shadow on the left horizontal stabilizer, so it's not a T-tail aircraft.

Quoting dandelany (Reply 294):
if it were an A3xx or 7xx the engines would presumably be visible under the wings.

They're painted dark like the tail, so it's not surprising that they wouldn't be visible.

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SCQ83
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:31 am

I find it amusing those who believe the suicide is "irrational" (or an insane theory) based only on their own prejudices.

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 267):
This would be a bizarre pilot suicide. Again, if you want to crash in the water, why go to the Indian Ocean. If you want to make a statement, why not hit the Petronas Tower?

It depends on the statement you want to make. Hitting the Petronas Tower would likely make the pilot a "terrorist", and nobody would question the government. An outcome would be easy to establish (Plane hits tower in KL. Period). Malaysian government would receive support from the US and other countries/international organizations in order to figure out potential terrorist plots.

When countries are deeply shocked by an event of this type, usually the government emerges stronger, since even non-supporters will align in such exceptional circumstances (it will be seen at least of "bad taste" trying to build political influence over hundreds - or likely thousands if you hit the Petronas - deaths).

Under the current circumstances, the Malaysian government has been in the global spotlight for more than a week just showing how lost/incompetent they are, and how confusing their statements are.

I don't think a flight to PEK is just by chance in this case. A plane with +150 Chinese on board would mean that China would have a primary role in the investigation, pushing Malaysian authorities for results.
 
tapir
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:36 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 301):
It depends on the statement you want to make. Hitting the Petronas Tower would likely make the pilot a "terrorist", and nobody would question the government. An outcome would be easy to establish (Plane hits tower in KL. Period). Malaysian government would receive support from the US and other countries/international organizations in order to figure out potential terrorist plots. When countries are deeply shocked by an event of this type, usually the government emerges stronger, since even non-supporters will align in such exceptional circumstances (it will be seen at least of "bad taste" trying to build political influence over hundreds - or likely thousands if you hit the Petronas - deaths).Under the current circumstances, the Malaysian government has been in the global spotlight for more than a week just showing how lost/incompetent they are, and how confusing their statements are.I don't think a flight to PEK is just by chance in this case. A plane with +150 Chinese on board would mean that China would have a primary role in the investigation, pushing Malaysian authorities for results.

Good point!
 
k83713
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:38 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 301):

And killing 238 people will leave the pilot as plain suicider? Oh, come on.

[Edited 2014-03-18 00:39:33]

[Edited 2014-03-18 00:49:15]
 
sejtam
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:42 am

Quoting flood (Reply 296):
Was that aircraft VTOL capable, or how did it come to rest fully intact in the jungle? Sorry, not meaning to mock the guy who found the image... at least he's actively trying to do something.

no that was not in Indonsia at all (but in the Andaman islands, check the map reference given against tomnodmaplocator.com) and a plane in flight.
 
chaseus1
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:51 am

It would be smart to retrace a route as much as they can. They can see how a plane in that area may show up on primary radar, and see how it correlates to the earlier radar images. Maybe that helped verify it was probably a 777 crossing back over Malaysia.
 
Enobar
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:55 am

Can I just throw a potential spanner in the works of the suicide theory...

I don't have specific knowledge of aviation insurance policies, but not ALL life insurance policies exclude suicide - at least not here in Australia anyway. I have a policy (and it's not a tiny one - over $1 million) which precluded suicide for a period of 5 years from inception. After that, it is actually covered.

The thought process that he would have to hide evidence of suicide is not necessarily valid in all cases. It may be, I might add, but it is not guaranteed.
 
k83713
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:58 am

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 285):

You don't have to be an experienced pilot to change altimeter knob to 45000.

[Edited 2014-03-18 01:01:31]
 
jelliesR
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:59 am

it's not suicide it's criminal anti-government protest. Direct action. Occupy Wall Street taken to a lunatic extreme. News outlets say he attended the trial 7 hours before taking off. How many people arranged their life to be there, to watch the verdict! he was deeply invested and very angry. IMO of course. It just isn't a simple murder suicide.

[Edited 2014-03-18 01:01:32]
 
dandelany
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:06 am

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 308):
it's not suicide it's criminal anti-government protest. Direct action.

If it was a protest, the protester did a pretty terrible job of communicating their message to anyone whatsoever.
 
SA7700
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:16 am

Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please feel free to continue the discussion in part 34 which is available here:

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks and regards,

SA7700
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