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Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:17 am

Looks like Go! is done in Hawai'i effective April 1st, 2014

https://www.iflygo.com (on homepage)

go! has reached an agreement with Hawaiian Airlines to accommodate eligible ticket holders onto flights operated by Hawaiian Airlines

Can't say I am too surprised


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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:19 am

Good! maybe this can lead to Aloha restarting ops
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:25 am

Whoa! Big news for inter-island. Glad they're gone actually. Never liked them since they put AQ six feet under
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:33 am

Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
Glad they're gone actually. Never liked them since they put AQ six feet under

Somehow, I highly doubt you're in the minority on this.

I just don't see how they could sustain profitability flying CRJ's around on short hops like that where the fare premiums were constantly kept low...even if they did run AQ out of business.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:49 am

No tears shed over this one. On the other hand, Island Air is really stepping up their game into a real class operation and I highly recommend trying them out. Aside from their core Lana'i service, they will be competing with HA aggressively and effectively with their ATR72 fleet at 5 presently.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:49 am

Now if Mesa would only suspend all of their operation, everyone would be much better off!
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:58 am

We were just saying about a week ago that if they made it to summer we'd be surprised.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:08 am

Per company memo, Mesa picked up flying (UA or US?) that requires the frames, so only leeway in the system was go!.

At the end its simply looking at what makes the biggest net contribution to the bottom line. Note also said fuel environment has made the inter-island not as productive as the past.

Not bad run, almost 8-years all told.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:12 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):

Negative... they are going to be flying the 30 E175's that United owns and they are adding 4 RJ900 for US. They are not slated to add these 200's into service for United or US. They probably need the crews to staff the 175's is what it all boils down to.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:19 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
maybe this can lead to Aloha restarting ops
Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
Never liked them since they put AQ six feet under

I know this is a hot topic for many members on here, but its all about the survival of the fittest in the aviation industry. AQ was certainly not fit when Go! launched with their heavily discounted fares to try and gain a customer base, as a result the weakest lost. Yes Go did use dirty tacticts, but name one airline that has NEVER used dirty tactics? Every airline will do this when first launching ops/a route.

IMHO Hawaii needs competition and we could see fares rise now with a main competitor gone. Hope another airline launches Hawaii ops to compete with HQ, but using better suitable aircraft. Wouldn't mind flying an ATR/Dash-8 on an inter-island route for the views
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:20 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):

IMHO Hawaii needs competition and we could see fares rise now with a main competitor gone. Hope another airline launches Hawaii ops to compete with HQ, but using better suitable aircraft. Wouldn't mind flying an ATR/Dash-8 on an inter-island route for the views

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting 175erj (Reply 8):

Will these -200s be grounded for ever then or used as spares?

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 10):

If Island Air competes on all routes HA operates on then yes an excellent competitor
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:40 am

They will be. I mean, historically they avoided competition with their Dash 8's and did mostly Molokai, Lanai, West Maui. They had some isolated competition like HNL-LIH, but usually knew their limits. With the larger aircraft and new ownership, and now new environment with Go's demise, this has changed substantially. In their newest schedule, they will be flying HNL-LIH 6 daily and HNL-OGG 7 daily. That is certainly enough to provide strong competition. The only thing now is the Big Island. Seems like HA will now have a virtual monopoly on HNL-KOA/ITO. Hope Island Air returns there soon!

I flew them last week and it was a very pleasant experience. I've always had good luck with them, but I know things got very shaky in the last few years.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Will these -200s be grounded for ever then or used as spares?



No. The contracts with the majors are for larger RJs. If anything they'll keep the planes around to screw pilots so vacation pay can continue to be based on 50 seat pay rates.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:46 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Yes Go did use dirty tacticts, but name one airline that has NEVER used dirty tactics? Every airline will do this when first launching ops/a route.

Mesa's behavior though crossed the line from "dirty" to "illegal".
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:50 am

Quoting hawaiian717 (Reply 14):

Was there was legal action against this then and what was the outcome? I haven't been keeping tabs on the HI inter-island market

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
Was there was legal action against this then and what was the outcome? I haven't been keeping tabs on the HI inter-island market
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...rvice_on_April_1.html?id=250721881

"In April 2008, Mesa paid Hawaiian Airlines $52.5 million to settle a lawsuit brought by Hawaiian alleging Mesa had misused confidential information obtained during Hawaiian's bankruptcy in 2004 to enter the Hawaii market in 2006.

And in November 2008, Mesa settled a 2007 lawsuit with Yucaipa Cos., Aloha Airlines' former controlling shareholder, in which Aloha accused Mesa of misusing confidential information that Mesa obtained as a potential investor during Aloha's bankruptcy. Aloha also accused Mesa of predatory pricing designed to run Aloha out of business. Mesa paid Yucaipa $2 million and issued Yucaipa 10 percent of Mesa's common stock."
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:02 am

I'm not surprised that they are pulling out, but surprised that they are doing it now. I thought they would keep going as long as they had CRJ-200s to rotate in. After looking at their fleet list, I guess these were the last ones. I also thought they would try to see what was going to happen with Island Air.

I never believed that they were going to last once I saw no growth after Aloha shut down. They didn't even bring in extra aircraft to try to get more of the interisland market share. They started with a fleet of 5 and will end with a fleet of 5. Jonathan Ornstein kept talking about bringing in larger aircraft like the CRJ-900 or E-jets for years, but that went no where.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 4):
On the other hand, Island Air is really stepping up their game into a real class operation and I highly recommend trying them out.

Island Air still needs to up their game a lot more. Their fleet has not been very reliable and they have talked about changing aircraft.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:06 am

Both Hawaiian and Aloha sued Mesa over misuse of information that Mesa obtained as a potential investor during both airlines' Chapter 11 bankruptcies. Rather than destroy that information, they used it in setting up Go. Mesa was ordered to pay Hawaiian $80 million; Hawaiian settled for $52 million and Mesa dropped its appeal. The Aloha was settled after Aloha shut down; that deal would have allowed Go to rebrand as Aloha but the bankruptcy judge blocked that part of the deal and I'm not sure what happened to the rest.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:09 am

Could the Q400's make a come back with WP?. with GO! now out of the way?
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:12 am

YV is Go-ing away (good riddance), WP is a mess, and AQ is still dead.

I suppose letting HA have a monopoly on interisland flying isn't that bad (for now and the foreseeable future, at least.)   
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 20):

YV is Go-ing away (good riddance), WP is a mess, and AQ is still dead.

I suppose letting HA have a monopoly on interisland flying isn't that bad (for now and the foreseeable future, at least.)   


At this point, nobody could come close to providing the breadth and quality of service that Hawaiian provides within the islands. I don't think a monopoly is such a good idea and could be a losing proposition for everyone. We need good, honest competition to keep HAL on their toes. This will continue to force them to constantly innovate, improve and keep reliable, consistent affordable service. Hopefully this inspires IslandAir to get their act together and realize they're being handed a gift.

Go! never proved to be a formidable competitor, I predict mostly business as usual from HAL. Perhaps the addition of a few flights, but nothing dramatic with fares or schedules.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:21 am

I am taking my first trip to OGG later this year. I will be doing a quick trip from OGG to HE to see Pearl Harbor. GO! was still bookable, but I refused to even consider flying them because of what happened to Aloha. Still having a hard time deciding. Maybe HA one way, and Island back? Never flown on a 717 or ATR. Maybe even a Mokulele? Ughhhhh.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:43 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 21):
I don't think a monopoly is such a good idea and could be a losing proposition for everyone. We need good, honest competition to keep HAL on their toes. This will continue to force them to constantly innovate, improve and keep reliable, consistent affordable service. Hopefully this inspires IslandAir to get their act together and realize they're being handed a gift.

I don't think HA having a monopoly will be good in the long-term either, but I don't see who would be a viable competitor right now. WP is basically limping along right now, and I'd say they'll likely die in a couple years unless they have some major changes.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:57 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 23):
WP is basically limping along right now, and I'd say they'll likely die in a couple years unless they have some major changes.

I'd say being bought by a multi-multi-billionaire with a vested interest in creating/maintaining good air service to his own island would constitute as 'some major changes'. Larry Ellison did not buy Island Air to have them die in 2 years. He knew Ohana was coming and he bought them anyway. He's not going anywhre, Island Air isn't going anywhere. They're here to stay and compete.

Yes, this intermediary period has been a real cluster over there, but I am telling you, they have been turning things around. They have 5 aircraft now, and although the ATR's have not impressed in terms of reliability, they will not be stretched in terms of scheduling for the immediate future. There will almost always be spares available. Their on time performance has been improving dramatically with this. It's also very evident that company culture and customer service initiatives have been put into place. Hell, all the ramp employees now wave to to the plane on departure and arrival. I felt like I was in Japan. They're doing this with trainers and culture from Four Seasons, and it's starting to show. Cabin crew and pilots were among the most professional, informative, and full of aloha that i've experienced. Ground experience can admittedly be a bit frazzled and disjointed, but there is a notable urgency for punctuality in place. My flight actually left EARLY.

You can believe me or see it for yourself. It couldn't get much worse than it was last year, but I just flew them last week and from everything I saw Island Air is on the up. If you think Ellison is not serious about creating a viable and QUALITY airline, well, you're wrong.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:02 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):

Somehow, I highly doubt you're in the minority on this

Indeed, you may add my name to that list.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
Good! maybe this can lead to Aloha restarting ops

Wouldn't that be fantastic, even on the 73S again, if enough suitable frames still exist.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
IMHO Hawaii needs competition and we could see fares rise now with a main competitor gone.

There has been no real competition since AQs demise. Even those that preceeded AQ like Discovery or Mahalo, even Mid - Pacific with those YS-11s were no competition for HA or AQ. Mr Ellison will have to dig into his pockets to pull together a true competitor to give HA a real run for their money.

HA is by no means an inexpensive way to travel between Islands. Fares range based on market and stage length, fares for a recent past trip, started at $100+ booking 9 months out, for a less than 100 miles flight of 33 minutes KOA-OGG.
We flew F paying $150, saving 2 bag fees for each person in our party, which was a last minute upgrade bargain.

HA does need a strong competitor, just to keep HA honest. Just like Alaska, one has few options to drive from one point to another in the state of Hawaii (HNM-OGG is the only route I can think of that can be driven that is also flown, although I have flown JHM-OGG before on WP in a twotter for $10, a far cry from the $75 taxi ride for the same leg)

Point being the local population is forced to fly, in order to do anything that is not near home. Air service is essential between Islands, at least ferry services do link the 3 islands of Maui county.

I'd love to see AS start flying the Q400 between Islands and give HA a challenger, however I do not know if the Q400 can handle the surfboards and other large items that often are checked in for inter island flights, although AS has a following in the islands with business travelers who frequent the west coast, plus the folks who fly each day with AS to Hawaii and do a couple hops while there.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 22):
Maybe even a Mokulele?

You know, if you are a airline and aircraft a.nutter for real, you'll enjoy Mokulele and the great views as they fly much lower than pressurized planes. I took 'em last fall OGG-MKK-OGG the morning after they emergency landed one of their planes on a Maui highway from casostrophic engine failure, we didn't die, and the no TSA thing was awesome, bags too.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting 175erj (Reply 5):


Now if Mesa would only suspend all of their operation, everyone would be much better off!

Except their employees. I've flown Mesa a few times and their flight crew were always top notch. It's the management that needs to change.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:36 am

Quoting 175erj (Reply 5):
Now if Mesa would only suspend all of their operation, everyone would be much better off!

Not many tears shed on this one.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Per company memo, Mesa picked up flying (UA or US?) that requires the frames, so only leeway in the system was go!.

Cause there's such demand for 50 seaters???? I would more believe it was about a lack of pilots.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:24 pm

Having read various books on aviation in Hawaii, one recurring topic was the constant competition between HA and AQ to operate the most modern / advanced aircraft (not in a technical sense, but from the perspective of the travelling public). Given that apparent obsession on the islands, I really doubt that an outfit operating with turboprops on the trunk routes will ever be able to survive competing with the incumbent jet airline - even if it operates spanking new props and the jets are 20 years old. The last that have tried were Mahalo and MidPacific and the "free low-altitude flightseeing en route" (as Mahalo advertised the services) was no lasting success...
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:40 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 24):
I'd say being bought by a multi-multi-billionaire with a vested interest in creating/maintaining good air service to his own island would constitute as 'some major changes'. Larry Ellison did not buy Island Air to have them die in 2 years. He knew Ohana was coming and he bought them anyway. He's not going anywhre, Island Air isn't going anywhere. They're here to stay and compete.



You can believe me or see it for yourself. It couldn't get much worse than it was last year, but I just flew them last week and from everything I saw Island Air is on the up. If you think Ellison is not serious about creating a viable and QUALITY airline, well, you're wrong.

If WP is a consistently reliable airline a year from now, I'll believe you. Right now, I see an airline that has burned out its reputation and is a major liability for its owner's bank account (however large said account may be.)
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 27):

Cause there's such demand for 50 seaters???? I would more believe it was about a lack of pilots.

Exactly. It's not the frames they need, but the pilots. Hey maybe the new 1500 hour rule isn't so bad after all...
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:12 pm

And so ends one of the nastiest, least profitable airline ventures in recent time.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 25):
I'd love to see AS start flying the Q400 between Islands and give HA a challenger, however I do not know if the Q400 can handle the surfboards and other large items that often are checked in for inter island flights, although AS has a following in the islands with business travelers who frequent the west coast, plus the folks who fly each day with AS to Hawaii and do a couple hops while there.

What about if the rear galley is removed and the cargo area extended? Could that add decent space? Its no 717 cargo space but it is a start.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:43 pm

Here is portion of company note.
Still very much sounds like they have a plan/work for the redeployed aircraft. They are not being simply moved to be parked per statement below.



With ongoing expansion opportunities in contracted service, we are re-deploying the go! aircraft to support our mainland operations.

They also said:

An additional factor that we accounted for was the long term increase in the cost of fuel, which has more than doubled since go! began service and has caused sustained profitability to be elusive.

While this was an extremely difficult decision to reach, we believe it is in the best interest of Mesa’s long term strategic objectives, particularly given the Company’s expansion of aircraft in service with United Airlines and US Airways.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 29):
If WP is a consistently reliable airline a year from now, I'll believe you. Right now, I see an airline that has burned out its reputation and is a major liability for its owner's bank account (however large said account may be.)

I think that is a major obstacle with Island Air. This reliability issue has been enormous.

This market is really a great market for the likes of how WN operated 20 years ago. Peak and off peak fares, great reliability, quick turns, and a great selection of flights between destinations, and quality community involvement.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:24 pm

Are Go! pilots on the same seniority list as Mesa pilots or is are they separate?
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:36 pm

This was something bound to happen, just always 'a year away,' until it wasn't...

I wonder how long the HA monopoly will last. If well managed... (do not gouge customers), a long time..

I expect a fare increase. But if it is more than 'fair,' I expect discontent and a new entrant.

Quoting 175erj (Reply 8):
They probably need the crews to staff the 175's is what it all boils down to.

That is almost certainly the case.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
we are re-deploying the go! aircraft to support our mainland operations.

IMHO to support lease returns or parking other aircraft that are due for costlier maintenance. I see no way Mesa is bucking the industry trend and is increasing 50 seat service...

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 20):
I suppose letting HA have a monopoly on interisland flying isn't that bad (for now and the foreseeable future, at least.)   

Let's see how popular the ferry becomes. Is the fast ferry still being run?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
It's not the frames they need, but the pilots. Hey maybe the new 1500 hour rule isn't so bad after all...

   Maybe not. 50 seat RJ flying will drop and those pilots will flow to either larger RJs or various 'major' carriers.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:57 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
I wonder how long the HA monopoly will last. If well managed... (do not gouge customers), a long time..

I expect a fare increase. But if it is more than 'fair,' I expect discontent and a new entrant.

But they don't have a monopoly! Yes, they have the lions share of the market, but there are other options. As I said before, the Go! operation was minuscule compared to the market in total. Their operation equates to roughly 8 round trips on Hawaiian. I seriously doubt there will be much change to the way HAL is running their neighbor island operation with perhaps a few flights added here and there and minimal change to the pricing. If fares are raised, I agree, if not managed well, HAL will lose confidence in the local customer and just invite a new entrant who will likely start another fare war.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:31 pm

Maybe we can revive the short lived Discovery Airlines   Then we can get BAe-146's in the islands again. They would offer a nice roomy ride and no short field performance problems. Plus the airframes have to be pretty cheap these days.
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting jed747 (Reply 38):
Then we can get BAe-146's in the islands again. They would offer a nice roomy ride and no short field performance problems. Plus the airframes have to be pretty cheap these days.

Alas with the price of gas, a 4 engine regional jet won't ever be a reality in Hawaii.
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:18 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 35):
Are Go! pilots on the same seniority list as Mesa pilots or is are they separate?

They are Mesa pilots, just operating as Go!.
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:20 pm

Does this mean that there will no longer be any YV branded flights at all?
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TPA0822
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:25 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
Good! maybe this can lead to Aloha restarting ops

Absolutely hope so. Remember when go! tried to get the Aloha name?

So - who will jump in to fill the very small void? WN, B6, DL?
 
azjubilee
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:29 pm

Quoting TPA0822 (Reply 42):
Absolutely hope so. Remember when go! tried to get the Aloha name?

So - who will jump in to fill the very small void? WN, B6, DL?

My guess is nobody new will jump in. It's such a small void and it may not be worth anyones time, effort and $$$. If anything happens, I see Island Air making a play for the balance of seats HAL doesn't absorb.
 
TPA0822
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 43):
My guess is nobody new will jump in. It's such a small void and it may not be worth anyones time, effort and $$$. If anything happens, I see Island Air making a play for the balance of seats HAL doesn't absorb.

Good point. I wonder if 'Ohana can ramp up quicker to discourage competition.

http://www.hawaiianairlines.com/ohana
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:49 pm

First airline I flew that actually charged for soda (2008, ITO-HNL). Not something I usually say about an airline's demise, but glad they're gone.
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HNLPointShoot
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:54 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
Let's see how popular the ferry becomes. Is the fast ferry still being run?

The Superferry's been gone for about five years now. Both ships are now owned by the U.S. Navy. I don't see any private entities trying that again anytime soon after seeing the political/legal/social mess that whole affair was.
 
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting TPA0822 (Reply 44):
Good point. I wonder if 'Ohana can ramp up quicker to discourage competition.

I don't think it's HALs mission to discourage competition, further they won't be using 'Ohana to be a tool to wage any wars. 'Ohana's mission is to connect the smaller communities to the HAL network. In the future they could operate at off peak times in-between 717 flights (OGG-LIH, for example), however they are unable to operate on the main HNL-neighbor island routes that the 717 flies.
 
brilondon
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
Good! maybe this can lead to Aloha restarting ops

Yeah, right. Obviously there is really no market for additional flights. Hawaiian may increase fares but there will be a limit to how high they can do that and as long as Island Air exists, HA's fares will remain competitive.
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Pohakuloa
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RE: Go! Hawai'i To Cease Ops 4/1/14

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
Still very much sounds like they have a plan/work for the redeployed aircraft. They are not being simply moved to be parked per statement below.

They were also quoted as saying when starting Hawaii operations that they would increase fleet size and also bring in the larger CR7/CR9 once they established themselves in the islands to gain market share. They started with 5 CR2's and are ending 8 years later with 5 CR2's.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 34):
I think that is a major obstacle with Island Air. This reliability issue has been enormous.

WP and it's owner are dealing with decisions made by former owners. The ATR is a good aircraft for the islands, but when announced they were getting ex Eagle frames, even mx workers in MIA chuckled saying good luck with those headache frames. I think WP will be a better airline, but looking at a minimum of a year before we see it in fruition. Getting new airframes as rumored would be a huge step forward. And getting all planes uniformed inside and out will help too with public image. Though dealing with the "jet age" phenomena in the isles are not easy to buck, the right marketing approach could work wonders when they have the operation the desire.

Hawaii island is what concerns me with fares... Mokulele serves KOA to OGG/LNY/MKK/JHM and a single daily 2 hour non stop to HNL (2x HNL-KOA daily) and to Kamuela (MUE) to OGG/MKK and HNL (3xdaily) 2x daily HNL-MUE on Grand Caravans. Everything else is HA and will be exclusive at ITO. I guess we'll have to see what happens in time...
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