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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 20):

I do hope Caribbean Airlines gets the flight as it will mean nice aircraft photos in SXM in their hummingbird livery over Mahoo Beach

BW already serve SXM and have done so for their entire existence. SXM is served on the POS - KIN runs. Predecessor BWIA started flying to SXM in the 1980s, linking KIN in a route on which JM kept a codeshare for many years.

On the topic of BW and the LGW route, I have always had my doubts as to whether it was a wise decision on their part to restart London services. BW of course inherited the LHR route from BWIA in 2007 but the predecessors found it difficult going notwithstanding a POS monopoly. The trouble was that POS was and is a smaller market from the UK than many other islands - and BWIA ended up head-to-head with BA and VS in destinations such as BGI, UVF and ANU. BWIA were also stuck with a fleet of A340s which were largely a holdover from the Category 2 days of T&T (2001 - 2004) but which the airline could not afford to replace and could not easily be used on other routes. As a result the route lost money and BW cut it shortly after starting up in 2007.

With BW's withdrawal came BA who retained a BW codeshare on the LGW services. At that time too POS traffic increased significantly from the UK due to increasing business links. The thing is that much of the business traffic, especially that which is UK based, would preferentially use BA if there were a choice of airlines and so BW's arrival may have made little impact into that. BW's start in LGW in 2012 was clearly aimed at the VFR market and POS based travellers - but as mentioned the VFR market to the UK from most Caribbean markets (Jamaica being the main exception) is static if not declining.

Now we see that VS have pulled TAB. In comparing BA and VS services from this beautiful island with an unfortunately troubled tourist industry, we can see that BA have advantages which VS did not have. BA is strong in POS and wants to preserve their market share so have tried to avoid the public relations fallout which could arise from a TAB withdrawal. Alongside this their TAB flights effectively provide back-up capacity to POS which could be useful at peak times. With revenue guarantees being offered for TAB (not POS) services, BA are in a win-win position. VS had no interest in POS and so did not have the same considerations as BA which meant that pulling TAB was easier for them. The fact that VS have significant DL investment now and are being reviewed - a review which has seen them drop SYD too - also needs to be remembered in the context of this pullout.

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:48 am

Trintocan I know Caribbean Airlines flies to SXM, as the discussion was about Caribbean Airlines flying from SXM to London I meant to see them fly their 767 to SXM. That will be something nice to see over Mahoo Beach 

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:18 am

Quoting trintocan (Reply 50):

We all knew that the route was going to be a flop from the beginning. This route was nothing short of politically motivated by a man that should not have been the chairman of the company. When George Nicolas announced the return to LGW sighting, "We would not only fly the small planes but the big ones too" it too the management of CAL by surprise. In that time period the airline was looking for 777 from Egyptair and then had to take the 767 from LAN as the operations of 777 would have been a disaster in the making.
To make matters worse, the board was told but the former COO there was no way they can get pilots trained to the 767 in time for inauguration, and had to hire expats; he was demoted because the board insist on getting the route to "stick it" to the last board for political reasons. Then when his prediction came through the board had to wet lease a 767 from Omni for almost 7 months to operate the route, losing millions of dollars in the process.

CAL can fill their 767 to LGW, the problem, however cost is outstripping revenue as the sub-fleet of 767 plus crews spending days over at LGW, then running the 767 between POS-GEO empty to continue to JFK/YYZ is creating an inefficient operation. So much so that the airline has replaced one GEO-YYZ with a 738.
There was no business case for the route in the first place and IMO the route needs to be cut, the 767 return to the ILFC, pilot retrained to the 737 and use the 737 to fly the GEO-JFK/YYZ routes.

The last board knew that CAL could not have 2 widebodies operating for the sole purpose of longhaul travel. The route adds negative value to the company, sold the LHR slot to BA in return for BA taking over the route with CAL marketing and distributing seats for three years.

Howai not satisfied: CAL to redo report
"Opposition Senator Camille Rob­inson-Regis questioned Howai on whether the Trinidad-to-London route was successfully econo­mical for the airline.
Howai said it has not been pro­fitable and a consultant was hired to evaluate all CAL routes.
He said prior to this, the board had submitted an analytical report to him but he was not pleased with the recommendations.
“Following analysis of the report, I then asked that a specific route analysis be done; I wasn’t satisfied with the suggestions and recommendations which came from the first evaluation,” said Howai.
This report, he said, should be completed within the month"
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...CAL-to-redo-report--253983901.html
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:53 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 52):
CAL can fill their 767 to LGW, the problem, however cost is outstripping revenue as the sub-fleet of 767 plus crews spending days over at LGW, then running the 767 between POS-GEO empty to continue to JFK/YYZ is creating an inefficient operation. So much so that the airline has replaced one GEO-YYZ with a 738.
There was no business case for the route in the first place and IMO the route needs to be cut, the 767 return to the ILFC, pilot retrained to the 737 and use the 737 to fly the GEO-JFK/YYZ routes.

The last board knew that CAL could not have 2 widebodies operating for the sole purpose of longhaul travel. The route adds negative value to the company, sold the LHR slot to BA in return for BA taking over the route with CAL marketing and distributing seats for three years.

Ditto 484. I believe anyone following this forum shouldn't be surprised at this "revelation". Despite Minister Howai's most recent utterings concerning not cutting the LGW route, I still have much confidence in his abilities. I certainly hope that he will revisit that decision.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 50):
BWIA were also stuck with a fleet of A340s which were largely a holdover from the Category 2 days of T&T (2001 - 2004) but which the airline could not afford to replace and could not easily be used on other routes. As a result the route lost money and BW cut it shortly after starting up in 2007.

Just to make things a bit clearer; BW always intended on cutting the route upon restarting operations on Jan. 1st, 2007. This was part of the approved master plan when the new BW was launched in Sept. of 2006. The LHR route stayed on until May of 2007 when the leases on the A340s conveniently expired. I remember BW's A340 drivers being rumoured to receive lucrative six month contracts to operate the buses during that short period. BA began service to POS from LGW in March of 2007, thus, for 2 months or so, POS had service to both LHR and LGW.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:13 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 52):

If they cut the 767 then they will need more 738s. If you look at their schedule for this summer the 738s are maxed out and that is with 767s 5x to GEO from JFK.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 53):

The response about not canceling the LGW route was in response to a question on it. If they said that they planned to cancel it then loads would have tumbled. What is telling is the comment that ALL routes are under review. So who knows. Come Sept an announcement might be that the route is discontinued from Nov and all passengers will be accommodated on BA.

Do either of you know how B6 is doing on the JFK and whether it has begun to impact BW?
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:29 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 53):
Just to make things a bit clearer; BW always intended on cutting the route upon restarting operations on Jan. 1st, 2007. This was part of the approved master plan when the new BW was launched in Sept. of 2006. The LHR route stayed on until May of 2007 when the leases on the A340s conveniently expired.

In part BW's retention of LHR at the beginning was a result of the Cricket World Cup being held in the West Indies during early 2007. BW closed the route immediately after the tournament ended.

Quoting A388 (Reply 51):
Trintocan I know Caribbean Airlines flies to SXM, as the discussion was about Caribbean Airlines flying from SXM to London I meant to see them fly their 767 to SXM. That will be something nice to see over Mahoo Beach

Actually I thought so too all along! Yes that would make a great sight, a majestic 767-300 in BW colours coming in over Maho Beach! Cameras at the ready...

Agreed with everyone else here, it's time for BW to face reality and close this LGW route. Pride by itself does not bring profit and one cannot wantonly spend precious resources on services which bring no positive returns. It is interesting that on another thread there are again gripes about BW dropping some tourist-oriented services to MBJ - again it's the same principle. Those routes drained a lot of money and caused JM to end up in such a parlous state, why do we keep flogging those matters over and over? VS bit the bullet and cut TAB and SYD as they lost money, BW just need to do the same.

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:52 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 54):
The response about not canceling the LGW route was in response to a question on it. If they said that they planned to cancel it then loads would have tumbled. What is telling is the comment that ALL routes are under review. So who knows. Come Sept an announcement might be that the route is discontinued from Nov and all passengers will be accommodated on BA.

Do either of you know how B6 is doing on the JFK and whether it has beg

Guyanam, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that his statement concerning not cancelling the route is in response to a question. It was a 3 part question asked in the Senate by a member of the opposition.

After watching the segment on TV (Howai's response), I must say that he was very very careful, somewhat subdued, in the response he delivered. The key opening phrase concerning the cancellation of the LGW route "As of now, no decision has been made...", suggests that the decision to remove LGW is still there on receipt of the report.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 54):
If they cut the 767 then they will need more 738s. If you look at their schedule for this summer the 738s are maxed out and that is with 767s 5x to GEO from JFK.

I was told by credible sources that utilization of the 738 fleet can be better. I was also told that on the current and upcoming schedule, there's always a spare 738 available. I think if the 767 goes, with the 738 utilization optimized, utilization will be just perfect. Once a management team has been selected, the proposed growth of KIN ops will require more 738s.

As for B6, I've heard that they're doing well. B6 isn't any EZjet, Redjet or FlyJamaica, so I'd expect them to be doing so. They've already started their corporate social responsibility campaign, partnering with a local primary school in North Trinidad.

[Edited 2014-04-05 14:55:54]
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:00 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 56):

What expansion do they really plan out of KIN? They have arrested their decline in market share, but I haven't seen evidence of an ability to regain much of what they lost. What they need to do is offer civilized departure times to FLL. The 5:45 AM flight is a killer and many seem to complain about it. This coming from people who would rather use them than B6. If there is slack in the system why don't they offer a 7 AM departure instead?

I am skeptical that BW can add a daily 738 on its JFK GEO POS without adding more 738s, and yet guarantee reliable service during the summer. I agree that outside of peak periods there is a degree of under utilization, but not so during the peaks.

Let us hope that they don't take for granted the one market that they dominate (GEO) for dreams of significant growth in KIN.

[Edited 2014-04-05 23:17:02]
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 54):
Do either of you know how B6 is doing on the JFK and whether it has begun to impact BW?

Looking at the loads in the GDS they are doing well, but we have to remember we are in the busy period still and both airlines are enjoying a bit of success in getting their flights out with good loads. The real truth will be seen when September-November period comes.

For POS the period between Carnival to Easter is a busy travel period and then from June till Labor day is considered the high season. The trough will be in January, May and mostly September-November just before the Thanksgiving holidays leading to the high December period.

My concern is not really NYC but the FLL route where South Florida market is small to POS.

For example B6 forward booking on that route was terrible, so last week the airline decided to price the route from US$130 one way, airfare only which is $0.079 per seat mile to US$70 which is now at $0.044 per seat mile.
Using the same period of time for a flight between FLL-KIN B6 prices the route at base US$95 which is US$0.15 per seat mile.
Or FLL-NAS at US$70 or US0.36 per seat mile.
TO make the point looking at FLL-BOG almost the same distance to POS and a larger market, they price it at US$130 or US$0.082 per seat mile
This is the time period from May 5th 2014.

So it tells me that B6 is trying to dilute the market with unprofitable yields to fight AA and BW in a small market that we already saw some year ago NK dropped.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 57):
I am skeptical that BW can add a daily 738 on its JFK GEO POS without adding more 738s, and yet guarantee reliable service during the summer. I agree that outside of peak periods there is a degree of under utilization, but not so during the peaks.

Let us hope that they don't take for granted the one market that they dominate (GEO) for dreams of significant growth in KIN.

Actually they can and still have a/c for the busy periods, the problem is that CAL moved a number of senior Pilots from the 737 to the 767 and are yet to fill that gap left in that transition period.

As I mentioned in the other thread in a model of fleet utilization, the 738 are severely underutilized in the off season, with the 767 on the routes.
Even if they use the model and find the slack to be too small they can always lease a 767 from Omni in the peak periods, as they have done for many years.

All they have to do is make the 424/425 run the POS-GEO-JFK-GEO-POS and the same seat capacity would be achievable on a daily basis. Currently the 767 flies 4w and leave POS empty in the off season.

The thing CAL has to look for is optimality in their operations.

[Edited 2014-04-06 12:58:32]
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:50 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 52):
CAL can fill their 767 to LGW, the problem, however cost is outstripping revenue as the sub-fleet of 767 plus crews spending days over at LGW, then running the 767 between POS-GEO empty to continue to JFK/YYZ is creating an inefficient operation.

What would be the minimum crew rest time in LGW between POS-LGW and LGW-POS flight?
Because if BW could fly POS-LGW and LGW-POS red-eyes both ways and the crew have enough rest time between flights in LGW, the same B767 might be flown POS-GEO-JFK-GEO-POS daytime 4 times per week and POS-LGW-POS thrice weekly red-eyes both ways and any GEO connecting traffic to/from LGW would be mostly welcome.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:37 am

Some news across the region

WINAIR discontinue service to Anguilla.
"WINAIR has notified the Anguilla gov't and its handler in Anguilla that WINAIR will be discontinuing air service between St. Maarten – Anguilla – St. Maarten. When planning WINAIR's first quarter schedule to include Anguilla, our partner airline AIR ANTILLES was to lease WINAIR aircraft to operate Anguilla – San Juan - Anguilla which would have assisted in filling void created when American Eagle ceased operations in the Caribbean. It is most unfortunate that regulatory issues have caused Anguilla – San Juan – Anguilla service to be deferred until such time as required regulatory issues are satisfactorily resolved."
http://www.smn-news.com/st-maarten-s...scontinue-service-to-anguilla.html

PM Gonsalves Says High Cost of Regional Air Travel Unavoidable
"High travel taxes affecting regional air travel are a necessary evil, according to CARICOM Chairman – Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves of St Vincent and the Grenadines. Dr Gonsalves is acknowledging that there is merit in the argument by some passengers that the region continues pressing Britain to reduce its controversial APD – Air Passenger Duty, while in the case of regional airline LIAT the taxes imposed by Caribbean governments often make up more than half the cost of the actual airline ticket."
http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/783...of-regional-air-travel-unavoidable

Surinam Airways to connect Cayenne and Miami
"The weekly flight will depart Cayenne on Saturdays at 7pm. SLM wants to connect French Guianese to its network of destinations since market research confirms that many from the neighbouring European Union territory travel by land to Paramaribo to take advantage of SLM’s competitive airfares to Miami and elsewhere."
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/head...nnect-Cayenne-and-Miami-20468.html

LIAT Not Going Anywhere
"I want to assure all of you that LIAT is not leaving Antigua." Maginley stated. "Not when the Winston Baldwin Spencer that I know and the leaders of the United progressive party that I sit with have made a statement and saying we are going to ensure that LIAT does not move."
http://caribarenaantigua.com/antigua...06362-liat-not-going-anywhere.html
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 59):
What would be the minimum crew rest time in LGW between POS-LGW and LGW-POS flight?

12hrs but in this case with 3w scheduled flights crew are staying over 2-3 days period, even if the flights are blocked at 19.3 hrs flying POS-LGW-POS with a 2.83 hrs stop off in LGW.

As I mentioned the flights leave and arrive with high loads, the yields however are another story in the mix. For the route to become profitable they would need to fly daily at a minimum. To do that they would have to include stop over flights in ANU, BGI of UVF and given that they are heading to LGW rather than LHR, that is an up hill task.

To be successful on the LGW route CAL needs to configure their a/c into a high density longhaul rather than the premium config of LAN.
For instance they would need to have a 788 config in about 270 pax, with a rather successful marketing campaign aimed at both VFR and tourist to make it work.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 59):

If you do POS LGW red eyes both ways then the 767 will be idle all day at LGW. The crews will still need to rest, and be fully accommodated, but now landing fees soar, due to the additional time on the ground.
If by now LGW isn't working I don't see how it will, because attempting to add SXM and/or TAB will not work as BW lacks access to the UK leisure markets.
Indeed if it wanted to do an LGW KIN might have been a better spot as there is still a large J'can VFR market out of the UK. T&T never sent large numbers of immigrants to the UK, as it did to the USA and North America.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 58):

Number of points.

1. I am aware that BW has adequate 738s during off peak periods, but then there is a problem at peak. Didn't the Omni arrangement not cost them big time? Is this KIN base really worth it, because I don't detect that J/cans have changed their views, and indeed B6 is now quite established.

2. Unless there has been a big upsurge of traffic, surely BW must be seeing some loss of loads and especially yields. B6 is flying heavy and has forced down fares. And some one must be flying Travelspan, both the POS and the GEO. While that isn't a market segment that BW will wish to battle over, last year those people would have flown BW. From what I see TS hasn't cut fares so low that this will spur spontaneous travel. Yes I know this year Carnival/Easter are late and so it has provided an extended "busy", so loads mightn't be too bad, now, but what happens later?

3. B6 can feed passengers from various points thru FLL, as they definitely do to KIN. That gives them an advantage over BW which is O&D.

4. Remember that BW doesn't have the fuel subsidy so will need to generate more revenues as an offset, but B6 is most likely nibbling into that.

5. There is nothing that BW can do about the empty seats on the POS GEO sector, except to maybe reduce other flights. OJ is flying JFK GEO nonstops, given that this has the largest passenger loads, there will be howls of protest, and further screams that BW has a "personal vendetta" against Guyanese. This just at the time when they seem to be more favorably viewed. Using the 738s is fine but they will have to offer 5X off season and at least daily during the peak. Remember that BW isn't only carrying its traditional loads but also those offered by DL. BW has two planes which overnight at GEO. Is that necessary?

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:16 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
If you do POS LGW red eyes both ways then the 767 will be idle all day at LGW. The crews will still need to rest, and be fully accommodated, but now landing fees soar, due to the additional time on the ground.
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 61):
12hrs but in this case with 3w scheduled flights crew are staying over 2-3 days period,

So the cost of keeping a BW B767 12+hours in LGW (plus crew on airport hotel) is far greater than what BW is spending accommodating its crew 2-3 days in London?
Ground time may be cheaper in STN or LTN but doubt UK would allow BW fo operate POS-LON-POS there.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:22 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 60):
WINAIR discontinue service to Anguilla.

Once again Winair tries to take a larger step than their legs can afford. It was said here before.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 60):
PM Gonsalves Says High Cost of Regional Air Travel Unavoidable

Sorry to tell you Mr. Gonçalves, but more and more local carriers will struggle/collapse due to these unavoidable fees.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 60):

Surinam Airways to connect Cayenne and Miami

They indeed have low fares to MIA, I paid 240 usd one way... but when are they expanding in Brazil? 
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 64):

WM wanted to do SJU AXA but apparently the US authorities haven't permitted them. At least not yet. Maybe the two US puddle jumpers blocked them, knowing that WM with larger planes will snatch some business.

A Dominican hotelier said that Mr. Gonsalves should resign as the shareholder spokes person for LI, because he doesn't have a vision for the airline. Indeed I don't think that he cares any more as SVD will no longer live or die based on LIQuoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 63):

No one is going to use any airport other than LHR (now too expensive and restricted) or LGW, so even if the UK authorities allow them its a nonstarter. Reducing the 767 to 4 rotations per week will probably be more costly. I bet that they put the crew in some "cheap" hotel near LGW.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
I am aware that BW has adequate 738s during off peak periods, but then there is a problem at peak. Didn't the Omni arrangement not cost them big time? Is this KIN base really worth it, because I relay don't detect that J/cans have changed their views, and indeed B6 is now quite established.

The Omni lease for the peak periods were not the problem, it was the continuous leases in both peak and off peak and then rotating a 767 3 times per week from Texas to POS for the LGW route was costly. A significant number of the loses in 2012 was attributed to those leases and the LGW route.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
Unless there has been a big upsurge of traffic, surely BW must be seeing some loss of loads and especially yields. B6 is flying heavy and has forced down fares. And some one must be flying Travelspan, both the POS and the GEO.

As I mentioned, right now is the peak period and we can't determine that.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
3. B6 can feed passengers from various points thru FLL, as they definitely do to KIN. That gives them an advantage over BW which is O&D.

No they are not into POS. B6 flight leave to POS at 7am and comes in at 3 pm, not rally much options. If they were doing this overnight then I would agree, but at the same time they would be taking AA for that market. TO make any connecting market work from out of FLL they would have to have 2 daily flights.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
There is nothing that BW can do about the empty seats on the POS GEO sector, except to maybe reduce other flights. OJ is flying YYZ GEO nonstop, and are around for the moment, though I don't know what their longevity is. If they drop the JFK GEO nonstops, given that this has the largest passenger loads, there will be howls of protest, and further screams that BW has a "personal vendetta" against Guyanese.

Yes they can, and that is why the Minister of Finance has asked them to redo their route evaluation. They are losing money on that sector because it leaves almost empty then to fill the GEO-JFK/YYZ sector. It is unproductive and costly.
The 738 can do the route fine, and now that GEO is being lengthened they should have no problems with weight to YYZ. Either way those 767 are costly to run primarily for the LGW route and should not have been leased in the first place. CAL does not need the 767 on any NA route in its network that the 738 can already perform.

I'm not sure why you are worried about the GEO route with the 737, CAL already flies the 738 to YYZ from GEO, a flight that is always full no problem.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):
Using the 738s is fine but they will have to offer 5X off season and at least daily during the peak. Remember that BW isn't only carrying its traditional loads but also those offered by DL. BW has two planes which overnight at GEO. Is that necessary?

Its's actually 1 that overnights there. Well remember CAL has a maintenance agreement so those a/c will get overnight checks at JFK. But sometimes the BW010 which overnights there either returns as the 425 or the 17.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:04 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 66):

The issue with JFK isn't that BW will have major problem with loads, even if they lose some passengers. Its that they will have less pricing power, and therefore will be less able to charge high fares which they use to subsidize weaker routes, and to offset the loss of the fuel subsidy. B6 will be a formidable competitor.

Two flights over night in GEO. The 524 and the 484. Are both necessary? Maybe you mightn't call one overnite as it arrives at 130 AM and is out at 6AM. The other leaves at 530 AM. Outside of peak periods are they really filling both planes? One connects to BGI/KIN/MIA, and the other is a secondary connection to JFK.

I am not concerned about the 738 as it seems to be doing the YYZ GEO nonstop in both directions, so can definitely handle JFK. They seem to have eliminated the need to make stops on the northbound ANU on the YYZ, and TAB on the JFK last year Sept/Oct when a 738 was used when one of the 767s went for overhaul. That was where my earlier concerns came from.

What I am saying is that BW at this point will have to keep at least the JFK nonstop, which means running the flight onto POS, as the US doesn't allow a GEO turn around. Over 50% of the visitor arrivals into GEO are from the USA, the vast majority from JFK. This is an ideal position for BW as their only competition is a charter, or a lengthy KIN lay over, so they do still have some pricing power. Eliminating the nonstop will be a gift to Travelspan.

I remain curious about their plans for the Jamaican operations. They have lost so much market share that rebuilding will be tough, as people have moved on, and they don't have a base of loyal customers there.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:15 am

Hom Many Dash 8 remain in LIAT service with now 10 ATRs on strength?
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:25 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 68):

I think that they now have 7 ATRs, and so are probably now operating 3-4 dash 8s. I don't think that they gotten rid of any yet.
 
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:44 am

Thanks. I misread this post...

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 6):

V2-LIG ATR42 msn 1009 has been delivered... It makes the 3rd ATR-42 and 7th ATR aircraft in LI's fleet.

... as 3 ATR42 and 7 ATR72, but at closer inspection it is 3 + 4.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:36 pm

Whenever BW decides to drop LGW and needs to move all those passengers who already have tickets, a BW B737-800 might well be ETOPS able to fly POS-YHZ-LGW to move them.
Would it be any demand for a route between Eastern Caribbean and Canadian Maritimes?
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 71):
Whenever BW decides to drop LGW and needs to move all those passengers who already have tickets, a BW B737-800 might well be ETOPS able to fly POS-YHZ-LGW to move them.

Cheaper to accommodate them on BA at an agreed upon negotiated rated.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:42 pm

Just saw this on facebook, thought it was interesting so I thought I would share.

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10170772_10152398641480362_7751801374138171558_n.jpg

Not sure if its flymontserrat organizing this, but its good to see them actually doing something....
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:29 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 73):

I'm still waiting for my SXM-MNI nonstop, Can't accept I'll need to detour in ANU if I really make it!  
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:32 pm

817Dreamliiner,

I came across you in the 787 production/delivery thread:


https://twitter.com/SonicStar817


Now I see where you get all the juicy and latest aviation information 

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:53 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 75):
817Dreamliiner,

I came across you in the 787 production/delivery thread:


https://twitter.com/SonicStar817


Now I see where you get all the juicy and latest aviation information 

Lol, yup that's me  Twitter is pretty useful for finding out the latest in anything really, just that my main focus is the aviation side of it. I also make use of flickr for the latest info as well. I follow some photographers who frequently spot at MAN, PAE, XFW and TLS. Sometimes you'll get some interesting exclusive photos. Im waiting for someone to take a photo of the first A320neo, which, from what ive heard, is outside on the flightline at TLS.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:19 am

That is great 817Dreamliiner. I can imagine you can get the latest information through twitter. I might join twitter in the future, who knows. I'm looking forward to that A320NEO photo. I've seen a photo of it in the assembly line. KarelXWB is my source here in the forum when it comes down to seeing the latest stuff 

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[Edited 2014-04-08 18:22:06]
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 73):

Just an update to this.

It seems FlyMontserrat are indeed behind this, and this is part of their efforts to promote Montserrat as a tourist destination.

More here if your interested: http://zjb.gov.ms/2014/04/09/fly-mon...t-as-a-viable-tourist-destination/

Quoting A388 (Reply 77):
That is great 817Dreamliiner. I can imagine you can get the latest information through twitter. I might join twitter in the future, who knows. I'm looking forward to that A320NEO photo. I've seen a photo of it in the assembly line. KarelXWB is my source here in the forum when it comes down to seeing the latest stuff 

Indeed, maybe you should join as well   . Im looking forward to that photo as well. Speaking of Karel, he does follow me on twitter, though im not sure if he knows that lol, he started following me when the A350 went to FDF earlier this year.

BTW, A388 you may have noticed I haven't asked you for any photography advice lately. Well the reason for that is because ive kinda given up (for the time being anyway...) have lots of assignments to get done and I have to prepare for exams as well, so I haven't had anytime at all to go spotting. But hopefully as summer rolls in i'll probably get back into it. Though, my summer plans are kinda up in the air at the moment...
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 78):
BTW, A388 you may have noticed I haven't asked you for any photography advice lately. Well the reason for that is because ive kinda given up (for the time being anyway...) have lots of assignments to get done and I have to prepare for exams as well, so I haven't had anytime at all to go spotting. But hopefully as summer rolls in i'll probably get back into it. Though, my summer plans are kinda up in the air at the moment...

No problem my friend. I also have little time to go spotting but every once in a while when something interesting shows up you will find me at the airport but as you know, an airport on an island has very little variety and traffic movement so it is relatively quiet here anyways. I hope that will change in the future.

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Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:08 pm

 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:02 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 80):

Insel to begin flying to GEO.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/new...-airline-to-begin-operations-here/

GUYAIR707

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:41 am

Would anyone here fly in and out of Islip airport in long island ny to get to the caribbean
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:26 pm

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 82):
Would anyone here fly in and out of Islip airport in long island ny to get to the caribbean

Is ISP really planning to have an in-terminal F.I.S.?
One has to take into account the demographics of Suffolk and Nassau counties on Long Island to get an idea which Caribbean destinations and on which season might work out of ISP.
Wild guess: CUN, MBJ, AUA, PUJ... not sure about POP, SXM. And that would sort of be once or twice weekly November to April.
Now, if JFK-SDQ/STI/KIN O/D are doing well, perhaps there's also room for a once-twice weekly year around non-stop on those routes.
Talking about ISP, if ISP really wants to become an option to JFK for NYC (international) travel, it sure needs to do some drastic with its rail link to Brooklyn and Manhattan.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:42 pm

Guys, due to a bussy day at work I couldn't post this earlier but two days ago a new cargo airline arrived in Curacao (21 Air). See my photo here:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




The aircaft they use is operated by Dynamic Airways. I've seen this airline mentioned here a few times on passenger flights to/from GEO(?). I didn't know they also have full freighters.

In any case, good luck to them!!!

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Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:33 am

 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:25 am

9N getting new aircraft? This popped up on the internet today.
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:42 pm

Lawmakers debate Cayman Airways losses
For the second time in a week, opposition lawmakers on Friday railed against the government’s continuing approval of multimillion-dollar subsidies for quasi-public entities.
On Wednesday, lawmakers reviewed the losses of the Cayman Islands Maritime Authority. The target on Friday was Cayman Airways.
“When I first came here, the Cayman Airways subsidy was $5 million; 14 years later we’re somewhere over $20 million,” said East End MLA Arden McLean.
“We hear rumors of decisions being made by that company that just [don’t] make sense,” the independent MLA said. “The time has come where somebody needs to be held responsible for those anticipated poor decisions.”
http://www.compasscayman.com/caycomp...kers-debate-Cayman-Airways-losses/

First female Surinamese jet captain lands Boeing 737 at CJIA
Speaking to this newspaper at the Executive Lounge at CJIA Captain Deira related her journey as the first Surinamese jet captain: “I started working at Surinam Airways some 27 years ago in administration and I have been flying for 22 of those years, but since I was eight years old I told my teacher I wanted to become a pilot. I have flown from the Twin Otter for about 14 years, thereafter I flew the airbus 340 heavy jet as co-pilot and now I am flying the 737 medium jets as pilot in command. From this I have about two to three years before I can become captain of the heavy jet.”
http://guyanachronicle.com/first-fem...-captain-lands-boeing-737-at-cjia/

Opposition disapproves $6.5B for CJIA expansion
The Opposition on Thursday night disapproved $6.5 billion allocated for the completion of the Cheddi Jagan International Airport (CJIA) Expansion Project. Last year, a similar cut in the funds for the project was made, resulting in delays in construction work.
http://www.guyanatimesgy.com/?p=57952

Howai still not happy with CAL business plan
FOR the second time, Senator Larry Howai, Minister of Finance and the Economy and line minister for Caribbean Airlines (CAL) has rejected the airline’s new Business Plan authored by Interim Chairman Phillip Marshall and a team of consultants. Howai said last week he was still not satisfied with some of the suggested recommendations.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,193179.html

St. Maarten upgrades Princess Juliana International Airport
St. Maarten’s Princess Juliana International Airport (SXM) closed a $132 million bond last year to finance a long list of improvements including rehabilitating the airport’s relatively short 7,150-foot runway, construction of a new fuel farm that can store 15 days of jet fuel, the building of new taxiways to increase runway efficiency, expanding aprons to provide more aircraft parking, and acquisition of land so the airport can expand later on if necessary.
http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/st-...a-international-airport/2014/04/16
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:18 pm

Have any more news surfaced about why BVI Airways was purchased by the unnamed New York-based "investment bank"? I am still at a loss why an investment bank would buy the tiniest of airlines in the Caribbean...
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:17 pm

He's not a usual contributor, but i've just found out that SA7700 (the original poster of this thread, part 109) has passed away.

My condolences to his family.

RIP SA7700

Our Thoughts For Hercules (SA7700) (by wilco737 Apr 15 2014 in Non Aviation)
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:45 am

Rumors are that BW canceled or severely delayed flights to GEO MIA JFK and YYZ to fly jets to TAB. Trinis delayed. Guyanese left stranded. Ground crews frustrated because they couldn't tell the passengers the truth.


Smells like Kamla is fishing for Tobago votes.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):

No wonder why CM flights bound to PTY- beyond promo fares are gone already!

I believe soon B6 will be knocking on GEO 's doors.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:06 pm

Just from their Facebook page:

Tropic Air getting different wings!



Source: https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1535713_10152360608999592_3952108271468761974_n.jpg

[Edited 2014-04-20 07:07:09]
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:48 pm

Thanks for the link 817Dreamliiner, I didn't know SA7700 passed away. This indeed is very sad news.

A388    
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:54 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 91):

Published today in Guyana Times:

http://www.guyanatimesgy.com/?p=59006

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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:17 am

I suspect that Travelspan is having more impact on fares than COPA. Travelspan will have 4x 767 nonstops to JFK this summer, not far below what DL offered.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:54 am

9Ns new aircraft.... Can BZE GCM be on their radar. Would be doable with this
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:48 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):
Rumors are that BW canceled or severely delayed flights to GEO MIA JFK and TAB. Trinis delayed. Guyanese left stranded. Ground crews frustrated because they couldn't tell the passengers the truth.

If true, this is very very disappointing. These people can't seem to keep their hands off the airline.



In other news, CAPA has once again produced another great read (albeit some errors in chronology of events) on the situation at BW. They get the main point across! BW needs to shape up, get an executive team installed and forget long-haul flying for a good while.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-flag-carrier-of-the-region-163919

[Edited 2014-04-20 22:52:11]
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:59 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 97):

On BWs facebook there are Guyanese pleading to find out what happened to the 606 GEO YYZ which was canceled. Then the 484 and 524 arrived from GEO, but yet Trinis are wailing that the onward flights left POS hours late, which meant Guyanese stranded at POS. Trinis as well.


Then rumors surface about flights to TAB. I can't believe that BW would do that on its own because they would have to accommodate the 606/607 passengers and feed the 484 and the 524, and the various massively delayed flights to GEO.

So it must be orders from on high. People demanding to get to TAB and Kamla telling them to switch the jets to TAB. Poor ground crews have to deal with irate Guyanese and Trinis all over the system, knowing that they cant tell them "your flight is 6 hours late because they sent it to TAB". So nuff steupsing and sour face instead.


The private sector has done an even worse job than gov'ts have done. I cant think of one successful carrier owned by Caribbean based private sector interests. Even Insel Air is now in trouble. So I don't know about CAPA's recommendation that BW should be privatized. It needs proper management and a gov't which wikl allow them to do their jobs.

And like LI, BW needs to define its mission. If it flies routes for developmental purposes then it ought to get revenue guarantees, or the flight should be axed.
 
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RE: We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109

Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 88):
I am still at a loss why an investment bank would buy the tiniest of airlines in the Caribbean...

To hide money from Uncle Sam

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