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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:07 am

Also AMSA has a twitter feed that appears to be a more direct and just as fast (for obvious reasons) than the news feeds.

https://twitter.com/AMSA_News

I would keep watch of their site and twitter feed as they will probably report it directly just as fast as any media agency can get it out.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:07 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 43):
It's a Norwegian ship that was originally going from South Africa towards Australia that has been redirected to the site.

The Höegh St. Petersburg

http://www.nrk.no/verden/norsk-skip-...18149

Even if they can find the debris and get it on board they won't be able to identify it unless it has distinctive markings showing it belongs to 9M-MRO.

Quoting LH452 (Reply 45):
Somebody posted a while back that the engine manufacturer had received a message from the aircraft of a normal landing. Has this been verified and if so could such a message have been sent if the aircraft landed/crashed in the ocean?

Pretty sure this was disproved and no it wouldn't send a message in event of crash at sea.

Quoting tomlee (Reply 48):

Well that is a lot different. Hopefully the weather can clear up enough for the search to work effectively.

Even with the weather issues shouldn't the P3's radar still be able to detect whatever the P8 picked up?
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:09 am

Supposedly the area of interest is in the beginning of the Southern Ocean.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:10 am

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 53):
Even with the weather issues shouldn't the P3's radar still be able to detect whatever the P8 picked up?

I think they want a visual confirmation as if we assume they already have a radar hit getting another one doesn't confirm it still. (Well it would help make sure there is still something there but until they get a visual confirmation it isn't anything new)
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:11 am

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 53):
Even if they can find the debris and get it on board they won't be able to identify it unless it has distinctive markings showing it belongs to 9M-MRO.

Technically if the debris is retrieved material analysis could help build confidence in where it might have come from. Airplane debris is probably pretty rare on the ocean surface and plane materials should be pretty distinct from ship or land debris sources.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:11 am

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 53):
Even if they can find the debris and get it on board they won't be able to identify it unless it has distinctive markings showing it belongs to 9M-MRO.

Perhaps not, but it's about securing possible debris. If the items are as big as some has indicated, I Guess they will be able to find out atleast if they come from an aircraft or not.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:12 am

I just picked this up from another forum.

A banner on top of the page::
Flight crew combing southern Indian Ocean for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 getting radar hits of "significant size."

Flight 370: 'New and credible information'

The objects are indistinct but of "reasonable size," with the largest about 24 meters (79 feet) across, said John Young, general manager of emergency response for the Australian Maritime Safety Authority.

They appear to be "awash with water and bobbing up and down" in an area 2,500 kilometers (1,500 miles) southwest of Australia's west coast, he said.

read more here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/20/wo...irlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:12 am

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 53):
Even if they can find the debris and get it on board they won't be able to identify it unless it has distinctive markings showing it belongs to 9M-MRO.

If they were able to identify it as a piece from a 777, that would do.

After all, how many 777s has gone missing lately?
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:15 am

Where are those P-8s being deployed from? It looks like a good 3hrs flight time away from Perth to the debris field. What is the operational range of these aircraft?
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:17 am

Quoting loalq (Reply 60):
Where are those P-8s being deployed from?

CNN is saying they are flying from Perth.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:18 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 59):
If they were able to identify it as a piece from a 777, that would do.

After all, how many 777s has gone missing lately?

If the debris is identified as belonging to an airliner, its from 9M-MRO. Where else should sizable airplane debris in this region come from?
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 59):
If they were able to identify it as a piece from a 777, that would do.

After all, how many 777s has gone missing lately?

To clarify, I meant that the crew of the Norwegian ship won't be able to tell what it is as they wouldn't have the necessary equipment to do an analysis of the material.

If it has a marking that identifies it as coming from an MH aircraft or it has the registry or Boeing markings on it then yes the crew would be able to identify it.

Otherwise its just a piece of debris which could be off anything.

Just keeping in mind the fact there have been far too many false sightings so far.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting loalq (Reply 60):

US Navy if I am not wrong but don't know their original base. Yes it's about 3 hrs from Perth and 5-6 hrs from Newzeland as their Air-force have sent aircraft too.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting na (Reply 62):

If the debris is identified as belonging to an airliner, its from 9M-MRO. Where else should sizable airplane debris in this region come from?

I know that, I was replying to keegd76's post.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:26 am

Quoting loalq (Reply 60):
Where are those P-8s being deployed from? It looks like a good 3hrs flight time away from Perth to the debris field.

One report said an RAAF base north of Perth, so I guess RAAF Base Pearce.

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 63):
If it has a marking that identifies it as coming from an MH aircraft or it has the registry or Boeing markings on it then yes the crew would be able to identify it.

Or they can photo it and have it examined by experts.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:27 am

The US P-8 Poseidon arrived at RAAF Pearce (just north of Perth) 2 days ago. I'm assuming that is the aircraft being used.

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:28 am

Quoting loalq (Reply 60):
Where are those P-8s being deployed from? It looks like a good 3hrs flight time away from Perth to the debris field. What is the operational range of these aircraft?

Australian AP-3C's are based in RAAF Base Edinburgh, north of Adelaide. However they may be staging from RAAF Pearce outside Perth.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:29 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 58):

That is the same as the very first reports of this debris.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:30 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 29):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18):
For example, you know, a metal cruise liner

Quite a good example! And a famous liner demonstrated exactly what happens if said metal object loses this buoyancy effect.

Touché, but to be fair the Titanic designers had cut a few corners on the watertight compartments front.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 46):
But do we have any theory that specifically explains why MH370 would end up SW or SSW of Australia? I hope this theory would be simpler than general relativity...

Sure. And as soon as they've publicized the CVR and DFDR transcripts I'll let you know my theory. 
Quoting keegd76 (Reply 63):
Quoting garpd (Reply 59):
If they were able to identify it as a piece from a 777, that would do.

After all, how many 777s has gone missing lately?

To clarify, I meant that the crew of the Norwegian ship won't be able to tell what it is as they wouldn't have the necessary equipment to do an analysis of the material.

If it has a marking that identifies it as coming from an MH aircraft or it has the registry or Boeing markings on it then yes the crew would be able to identify it.

Otherwise its just a piece of debris which could be off anything.

Just keeping in mind the fact there have been far too many false sightings so far.

It if is a significant piece, it should be easily be identifiable as an aircraft part. Very different materials and construction compared to, say, a ship.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 43):
The Höegh St. Petersburg

http://www.nrk.no/verden/norsk-skip-...18149

A RORO car carrier. The ugliest type of ship in the known universe. But I digress.

[Edited 2014-03-20 03:31:55]

[Edited 2014-03-20 03:33:40]
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:34 am

Here are the specs of P-8A Poseidon

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/def...-8SizedForPerformanceAndGrowth.pdf

Wing Span: 123.6 ft (37.64 m)
Height: 42.1 ft (12.83 m)
Length: 129.5 ft (39.47 m)
Propulsion: Two CFM56-7B engines, 27,000 lb thrust
Speed: 490 kn (564 mi/h)
Range: 1,200 nmi with4 hr on station
Ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)
Crew: 9
Maximum Takeoff Gross Weight: 189,200 lb (85,820 kg)


and P-3 Orion:

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/p3/p-3-specifications.html

Length 116.8 ft / 35.6 m
Height 38.7 ft / 11.8 m
Wingspan 99.7 ft / 30.4 m
Takeoff run at sea level 4,240 ft / 1297.3 m
Maximum landing distance 2,900 ft / 883.9 m
Long-range cruise speed at 25,000 ft 350 KTAS
Loiter speed at 1,050 ft 203 KTAS
Maximum endurance 16 hours
Ferry range 4,830 n. mi / 8,944.4 km
Maximum take-off weight (2.5 g) 142,000 lb / 64,410.1 kg
Maximum landing gross weight (2.25 g) 103,880 lb / 47,119.1 kg
Design zero fuel weight 77,200 lb / 35,017 kg
Fuel capacity 62,560 lb / 28,376.7 kg


I wonder how P-3 Orion can have such an impressive endurance of 16 hours?
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:36 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 69):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 58):

That is the same as the very first reports of this debris.

The Chinese 'cargo ship', Hang Sheng 1, has been scribbling around the Australians' SAR area for about 3 days now.

There have been frequent tracking updates here:
http://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=413501228

Thing is, the last position update was just after midnight GMT/UTC. Over the past 72 hrs or so there's not been such a 10hr gap between recorded movements.

It looks like it's been stationary for 10hrs or more. Wondering if they've spotted something.
AIS Data
Last report Mar 20, 2014 00:02 UTC
AIS TypeCargo ship
Flag China
DestinationNAN TONG
ETAUnknown
IMON/A
MMSI413501228
CallsignBMUF
Lat/Lon 51.55488 S / 92.59757 E
Course/Speed 176.8 ° / 49.7 kn.
Current draught 5.5 m


     
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:39 am

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 71):
I wonder how P-3 Orion can have such an impressive endurance of 16 hours?

1. Turboprops are generally slower than turbofans, but they use less much fuel so they have better endurance..
2. Once in the search area, the crew will shut down one, and sometimes two, engines in order to increase endurance. If you did that with a turbofan the drag of the shut down engine would mean decreased endurance. The Nimrod has jets but it can still perform the same trick as its engines have a small frontal area.

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 70):
Touché, but to be fair the Titanic designers had cut a few corners on the watertight compartments front.

Lets hope the -200 fuselage fares better. No matter the metal, Lithium, Uranium or anything in between, if it slams into the sea at speed it is likely to sink.

PS this is aimed at others, I am sure you know this.



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 73):
Turboprops are generally slower than turbofans, but they use less much fuel so they have better endurance..
2. Once in the search area, the crew will shut down one, and sometimes two, engines in order to increase endurance. If you did that with a turbofan the drag of the shut down engine would mean endurance decreased.

A P3 and a P8 are quite different sadly.

I am pretty sure no 737 (P8) could fly for 16 hours, even with AUX tanks.

EDIT: Not aimed at you Starlion.

[Edited 2014-03-20 07:31:28 by SA7700]
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:42 am

This is apparently the second time the Norwegian ship has been redirected to search for debris lately ...
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:44 am

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 71):
I wonder how P-3 Orion can have such an impressive endurance of 16 hours?


I believe they can shut down two of the four engines when they arrive on station.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:47 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 74):
Lets hope the -200 fuselage fares better. No matter the metal, Lithium, Uranium or anything in between, if it slams into the sea at speed it is likely to sink.

Actually solid lithium would float and if you had a very large chunk of it not only would it float really well it would be a blazing inferno which would be pretty obvious on sat until it burned out.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:50 am

Quoting tomlee (Reply 78):
Actually solid lithium would float and if you had a very large chunk of it not only would it float really well it would be a blazing inferno which would be pretty obvious on sat until it burned out.

Boeing uses Lithium-Aluminium alloy for parts of its aircraft hence my choice of words.. Of course no one would use pure lithium, unless your air was in fact oil or some such.

I do know my chemistry.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 73):
Quoting 77west (Reply 76):

OK, thanks for the answers. P-8 can get faster to the target area, but remain stationed there only for 2-3 hours in this case.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 80):
OK, thanks for the answers. P-8 can get faster to the target area, but remain stationed there only for 2-3 hours in this case.

I don't know how long a P8 can stay on site, but it is basically a military version of a BBJ, so who know how many aux tanks etc it has. I simply think 16 hours is not possible. Perhaps 8-10 as more likely.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 81):
don't know how long a P8 can stay on site, but it is basically a military version of a BBJ, so who know how many aux tanks etc it has. I simply think 16 hours is not possible. Perhaps 8-10 as more likely.

Boeing specs (quoted above) says 'Range: 1,200 nmi with 4 hr on station' and I understand the current target area is around 1,200 nmi from Perth, so it would be actually 4 hours in this case.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:58 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 79):
Boeing uses Lithium-Aluminium alloy for parts of its aircraft hence my choice of words.. Of course no one would use pure lithium, unless your air was in fact oil or some such.

True but I doubt uranium alloys are very common in plane parts. I'm sure you can make a solid metal ship out of pure lithium if you really wanted the most volatile ship structure ever and just hope your paint coating never gets chipped.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:58 am

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 63):
To clarify, I meant that the crew of the Norwegian ship won't be able to tell what it is as they wouldn't have the necessary equipment to do an analysis of the material.

If the approximately 24 metre long phenomenon in the satellite image can be located and viewed from a ship I think it will be easy to identify it as part of an aircraft (if it is). Aviation experts viewing photographs of the object taken from the ship concerned should easily be able to identify the type of aircraft. The prospects of Boeing not being able to identify a 20+ metre long object as part of a 777 from a photo (if the object is part of a 777) are nil IMO.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:00 am

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 82):
Boeing specs (quoted above) says 'Range: 1,200 nmi with 4 hr on station' and I understand the current target area is around 1,200 nmi from Perth, so it would be actually 4 hours in this case.

Thanks Finn, that's great info. That implies a total range of 10-12 000 km. Which is what I expected . Not 16,000km. Only a 777-200LR based PX-XX could do that I think.



Quoting tomlee (Reply 83):
True but I doubt uranium alloys are very common in plane parts. I'm sure you can make a solid metal ship out of pure lithium if you really wanted the most volatile ship structure ever and just hope your paint coating never gets chipped.

Tom, I meant that any metal between Li and U (The common crust metals) would sink if buoyancy failed. Of course no one would make a plane from any metal close to U. EDIT: Or Li.

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:09 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 86):
Tom, I meant that any metal between Li and U (The common crust metals) would sink if buoyancy failed. Of course no one would make a plane from any metal close to U.

Well lets just leave it at alloys of Li thru U would not float without an intact hull. But pure elements of certain metals (Li, Na, K) can easily float as solid blocks as their density is less than pure water's density (Salt water being higher density would be easier to float on). (Ignoring that they would also react with water unless painted/coated or otherwise protected)
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:19 am

Quoting KIAS (Reply 1):
Not to mention the strong drift leading into the WA current.

The West Australian Current does run North East but there is a counter current, The Leeuwin Current which runs North South along the Western Australian Coast and so debris may not end up on the West Australian Coast
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:22 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 71):
AIS TypeCargo ship
Flag China
DestinationNAN TONG

Lat/Lon 51.55488 S / 92.59757 E
Course/Speed 176.8 ° / 49.7 kn.


This seems to be a strange cargo ship, zooming along at 49.7 knots.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:28 am

Quoting YoungMans (Reply 88):
This seems to be a strange cargo ship, zooming along at 49.7 knots.

No cargo ship can go that fast, not even the fastest destroyer can.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:30 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 86):
Tom, I meant that any metal between Li and U (The common crust metals) would sink if buoyancy failed. Of course no one would make a plane from any metal close to U.

Strangley depleted Uranium is / was used in planes for trim weights (as it's really heavy)

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:32 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 76):

Maybe not 16h but quite close. The BBJ has quite impressive range with all the aux tanks fitted. 13-14h endurance is in the ballpark I believe. Obviously the extra weight and equipment on the P8 takes up the space I still wouldn't be surprised of a 10h endurance.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:32 am

I really really hope the search west of the Australian coast lead to something... I have a tremendous fear of hearing in the next press conference something like " We find out that the images released earlier are just floating garbage not related with MH370"..... that will be devastating for the families and will erase the credibility of the authorities in charge of the operation.

On a side note, I read somewhere that the depth of the ocean in that area is around 10.000/13.000 ft., can someone confirm?

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:33 am

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 90):
Strangley depleted Uranium is / was used in planes for trim weights (as it's really heavy)

Didn't know that, but I guess it is a good counterweight similar to lead. At least they had the mindset to phase that out to use something more normal like tungsten.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:34 am

The possible discovery of debris of the MH370 lost aircraft are dominating the morning new here in the eastern USA, setting up another round hope as to where it ended up but also too many 'experts' and commentators speculating. Of course, they are ignoring many important stories like the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

These possible discovery of debris also means family of victims will begin to have some closure, but as some media commentators will note, we still want the main parts of the remains of this a/c to figure out what happened, to put in policies and changes in equipment to prevent another such event and to possibly recover remains of those on board to give their families closure for their losses. As I posted a number of parts ago, for those from China and of other cultures involved in this loss, they want and need the bodies to properly bury them as their culture defines.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:37 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 92):

I really really hope the search west of the Australian coast lead to something... I have a tremendous fear of hearing in the next press conference something like " We find out that the images released earlier are just floating garbage not related with MH370"..... that will be devastating for the families and will erase the credibility of the authorities in charge of the operation.

The authorities have been rather cautious in their statements and have tried to manage expectations, but then again the media has been working hard to fuel the fire.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:38 am

VAMPI
I have tried to find this acronym in several Aviation glossaries without success. 777Jet used it in his excellent post reply 6 on thread 38 where he calculates a new extreme range for the a/c.

"The latest bloomberg article has the following: "The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

Based on my own calculations, this would give it apprx 8hrs (480min) total range for this aircrafts vintage, climbing and then flying along at M.84/485TAS @ Opt FLs.
TOW 223.5t
ZFW ~ 174.4t (payload ~25.4t)
OFF fuel 49.1t

The 777-200ER T892 will burn apprx 6.1t per hour on avg, at those wts and FLs.

VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing.
398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."

Please can anyone enlighten me as to its translation?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:39 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 92):
I have a tremendous fear of hearing in the next press conference something like " We find out that the images released earlier are just floating garbage not related with MH370"..... that will be devastating for the families and will erase the credibility of the authorities in charge of the operation.

Why would finding debris that was not part of the missing aircraft erase the credibility of the authorities?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:40 am

Quoting Mouldypete (Reply 96):
VAMPI

Is a waypoint in de northern part of the strait of Malacca.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 94):
The possible discovery
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 94):
These possible discovery

Possible being the key word. There are too many media reports saying "the plane was finally located", and that is absolutely false for now, we still don't know for sure if these things spotted are related to MH370 or not. ...as usual, media outlets are in a desperate race to say something first, without checking the facts.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting Mouldypete (Reply 96):
VAMPI
I have tried to find this acronym in several Aviation glossaries without success. 777Jet used it in his excellent post reply 6 on thread 38 where he calculates a new extreme range for the a/c.

"The latest bloomberg article has the following: "The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

Based on my own calculations, this would give it apprx 8hrs (480min) total range for this aircrafts vintage, climbing and then flying along at M.84/485TAS @ Opt FLs.
TOW 223.5t
ZFW ~ 174.4t (payload ~25.4t)
OFF fuel 49.1t

The 777-200ER T892 will burn apprx 6.1t per hour on avg, at those wts and FLs.

VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing.
398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."

Please can anyone enlighten me as to its translation?

You're probably going to kick yourself after you read this. VAMPI is not an acronym. Just like PIBOS and IGARI which are also mentioned it is a waypoint designator. You can find it on the high-level chart here: http://skyvector.com/?ll=6.182061675...4&chart=304&zoom=3&plan=F.WM.VAMPI

DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI means "direct PIBOS then airway R208 to IGARI then direct VAMPI"
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting Mouldypete (Reply 96):

Please can anyone enlighten me as to its translation?

VAMPI is a waypoint name.

VAMPI IGARI IGREX etc.

http://www.fallingrain.com/waypoint/MY/VAMPI.html
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:41 am

The Norwegian ship Höegh St. Petersburg arrived at the position about an hour ago and is currently searching:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/03/20/n...er/utenriks/flymysteriet/32401061/

Apparently fist ship on the scene ...

[Edited 2014-03-20 04:43:10]

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