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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:41 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 155):
Looks like a freight container to me as well . . . Furthermore, they do float

Only the refrigerated ones float. They're sealed and tend to bob around just under the surface. The refrigerated containers are usually of the smaller verity.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:41 pm

I finally found an image that shows the other satellite pings. Sorry if this was posted before.

http://i.imgur.com/zNgnicG.png?1

Nevermind - those points are assumed based on NTSB tracks. Still a good map.

[Edited 2014-03-20 09:43:57]
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 155):
Furthermore, they do float.

As an example . . . an container floated across the Pacific from Fukushima to the US west coast containing a Harley Davidson.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...-canadian-island-article-1.1071147

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:44 pm

Quoting laddb (Reply 202):
I finally found an image that shows the other satellite pings. Sorry if this was posted before

It was posted before, but only once (that I know of). The other satellite pings are educated guesses by the author, not the real ones.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 200):
Senior F/A's would be able to gain entry, I believe.

The pilot could deny access. Only if they are truly incapacitated could the FA get in.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:46 pm

The weather in the area is very poor. Please be patient if it takes an extended time. Crews were not even able to see the ocean for much of today
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting laddb (Reply 202):
I finally found an image that shows the other satellite pings. Sorry if this was posted before.

This really excited me - but it is not what you think it is.

For "pings"
- the solid red is THE published ones.
- the other 'pings' are estimates based the NTSB track.

Basically - if you believe the NTSB predicted tracks (and extrapolations of them), then the pings would have to be there.

So - this is not published data - it is somebody's analysis.

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 205):
The pilot could deny access. Only if they are truly incapacitated could the FA get in.

Several theories have both pilots incapacitated.

Plus, if the F/A is denied entry, and no one ever communicates, the F/A will know something is very wrong.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 199):
Absolutely makes sense, should able to reach aircraft even if it's sitting 15000feet below ocean.

Does Dreamliner have that kind of GPS system?

GPS signals do not propagate through water.

Google communications with submarines and you'll get some idea of the difficulty (and cost) of communicating with something that's submerged.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:50 pm

Diego Garcia again...

No commercial flight on the 8th of March and the next 3 days... Pure coincidence???? Laser weapon testing on the 8th...MH 370 also missing on this date

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Diego-Garcia-Passenger-Terminal/242934902443795
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:58 pm

Quoting tiong (Reply 210):

No commercial flight on the 8th of March and the next 3 days... Pure coincidence???? Laser weapon testing on the 8th...MH 370 also missing on this date

Yeah I'm sure the US military used a laser all the way from Diego Garcia to shoot the transponder and ACARS, then somehow made the plane turn the way it did  
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting 65mustang (Reply 198):
Only the pilots locked in the cockpit with a reinforced door have to be incapacitated. The state of the people in the cabin would be irrelevant with regards to the fate of the plane.

The B777 has axes and portable Oxygen masks on-board, given someone noticed and the cockpit acted suspiciously, these items could come in quite handy.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 203):
As an example . . . an container floated across the Pacific from Fukushima to the US west coast containing a Harley Davidson.

Small nit to pick, "Canadian Islands" are not part of the US West Coast.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:01 pm

Quoting tiong (Reply 210):
No commercial flight on the 8th of March and the next 3 days... Pure coincidence???? Laser weapon testing on the 8th...MH 370 also missing on this date

Yes, it's coincidence. It's not exactly a destination.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:04 pm

As said before, my theory is that this is all a diversion concocted by the international community to buy time to resolve the real issue which may be a plane that is in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan.

Also, this "cover story" about possible wreckage can make the actual perpetrators think that the "good guys" are sniffing down the wrong path and that their plan is working. It's a cat and mouse game.

I don't see two large pieces of plane floating for almost two weeks without being noticed or sinking altogether.

Something doesn't add up...
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:08 pm

Quoting tiong (Reply 210):
No commercial flight on the 8th of March and the next 3 days... Pure coincidence????

It's not an airport- it's an air base!!! But wow- three whole days?
When I was there we were lucky to see one flight a week...





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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:15 pm

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 215):
As said before, my theory is that this is all a diversion concocted by the international community to buy time to resolve the real issue which may be a plane that is in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan.

The tribal areas where Taliban dominate (not controlled in the strict sense) are under surveillance by US and Pakistani authorities at all times. In the past few months, almost every Taliban terrorist attack on civilians has been met with a swift and punishing attack by Pakistani aircraft on exact targets, most often the right culprits.

That shows the level of intelligence that the ISI has on the Taliban. The Pakistani military did cleanse the Swat valley of the Taliban in 2009. Not wiping out the Taliban en-masse from their ancestral tribal areas is a political decision, tied to US withdrawal from Afghanistan and time required in a democracy to get the public behind the likely inevitable action.

In short, regardless of what Fox News general says - the plane is not in the mountainous tribal areas of Pakistan.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:16 pm

I'm still convinced the aircraft is in Pakistan, being geared up for phase II. What the satellite saw off Australia was the same stuff the Chinese satellite saw off the Vietnamese coast...a bunch of nothing.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 215):

As said before, my theory is that this is all a diversion concocted by the international community to buy time to resolve the real issue which may be a plane that is in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan.

Also, this "cover story" about possible wreckage can make the actual perpetrators think that the "good guys" are sniffing down the wrong path and that their plan is working. It's a cat and mouse game.

I don't see two large pieces of plane floating for almost two weeks without being noticed or sinking altogether.

Something doesn't add up...

I said the same thing to someone at work earlier. This is a distraction as really there is something else going on. I think i have also been caught up in the conspiracies and intrigue the last fortnight- where can massive 777 go in a world of so much big bro satellite tech - our imaginations can start to run wild and does show how 9/11 impacted us all and also we've all probably seen too many movies 
I hope for the sake of family and loved ones MH370 be found very soon where they are searching but part of me does feel something still doesn't add up?
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 215):


I don't see two large pieces of plane floating for almost two weeks without being noticed or sinking altogether.

do you realize how big the oceans are? They're absolutely massive. That area of the ocean isn't exactly very popular either...what actual evidence do you have for the plane being in Pakistan besides a bunch of assumptions? You don't get very far with assumptions, I can make a few assumptions and come up with something completely different with just a little evidence
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:21 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 192):
If pilot suicide is likely to be cause of the crash, how did one pilot could have managed to keep other pilot out of the cockpit for so long?

Why do you assume the other pilot was ever out of the cockpit?
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:21 pm

Quoting davidzill (Reply 219):

I'm still convinced the aircraft is in Pakistan, being geared up for phase II.

Could you please postulate that into a viable theory of how the plane got there without Pakistani military and government co-operation?
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:24 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 190):
be patient, media

Straight up not gonna happen, especially with such a high profile story.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 181):
It would also be a large piece of a 777 to remain intact and floating this long.

So I know we've already determined that the stabilizers are none by themselves 24m long - but say we did find one of them floating as part of this debris. How long do you think, all else constant, it would take for the seawater to breach the composite structure and waterlog it? i.e. How long would the AF447 vertical stab have floated if not recovered when it was?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 189):
US A319

Not to nitpick, but....
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 221):

Is it normal scenario that both pilots decide to commit suicide same time or do something freakish ? and if one wanted to commit it then is it not commonsense to lock other pilot out of sight in order to go ahead as per his plan?
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:26 pm

There's very little sea or air traffic over this stretch of the Southern Ocean. Look at how wide it is. There's a reason it's said (although I don't know how geographically true it is) that Perth, WA is the most isolated large city in the entire world. There's nothing to its west for thousands upon thousands of miles but water. Barely even any islands. It's plausible to me that debris could float, especially debris with air trapped in it, for weeks before it's spotted.

The oceans are gigantic. There are people who row across them for sport and even in the smaller seas it might take them many months, and they may not see another ship at all.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 219):
where can massive 777 go in a world of so much big bro satellite tech

Same place as this one?

https://www.airliners.net/search/phot...ge=&thumbnails=&engine_version=6.0
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:27 pm

This is one of the epic Airliners threads!

I wonder how many parts it will make up in the end

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting davidzill (Reply 218):
I'm still convinced the aircraft is in Pakistan, being geared up for phase II

Pakistan armed forces are quite well equipped and experienced - considering their volatile region. I don't believe a 777 would have slipped through!
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 224):
Is it normal scenario that both pilots decide to commit suicide same time or do something freakish ?

No, "freakish" is not "normal."
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 220):
do you realize how big the oceans are? They're absolutely massive. That area of the ocean isn't exactly very popular either

This is a really important statement. As I look at a globe, it seems like there would be very little reason for anyone to be out in that area. A straight line between South Africa and Perth would be north of the search zone. Even if a ship came within a mile of the wreckage, if it's half submerged, there would be a slim-to-none chance of the crews seeing it, unless they were specifically looking for it.

My hope is that meteorological and ocean current data will be complete enough to help the search crews model the last 2 weeks' drift patterns. Once the position of some of the wreckage is identified, it shouldn't be a stretch to narrow the search zone even more based on the estimated drift of objects based on weight, profile, etc. Not easy, mind you, but something that is mostly mathematical in nature.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:38 pm

the worry is thar the plane was dealt with somewhere else and then was ferried shiped south and dump it there to look like it was a crash, this why is taking so long, there are 2 things that will come out of this, a conspiracy theory or incompetence from super powers nations who claim they know everything and have powerful satelites which proved they aren't that powerful after 13 days

[Edited 2014-03-20 10:50:03]
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:39 pm

Long-time lurker for 10 years. I decided today to finally join the community! My first post...

Someone asked yesterday, in Part 37,
Quote:

Have we heard anything at all from Myanmar?
Have they cooperated in the search mission (notably looking at their own radar data)?
Would it be possible for an airliner the size of a 777 to break in their airspace and go undetected?
Would Myanmar have any interest in "stealing" a 777?

In fact, Myanmar has been cooperative and opened their airspace to Malaysia for a one-week period. The Director General of the Myanmar's Department of Civil Aviation also said they would grant an extension to Malaysia, if requested. But at the time of this article, no such request had been made (i.e., it seems Malysia has no reason to utilize Myanmar's airspace for further search efforts).

[Edited 2014-03-20 10:54:10]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 224):
and if one wanted to commit it then is it not commonsense to lock other pilot out of sight in order to go ahead as per his plan?

No need for either pilot to be locked out of flight deck. Example: Pilot A says he's going to the lavatory and stands up behind pilot B who is now flying the airplane on autopilot. Pilot A removes a knife or piano wire from his flight bag and slits the throat of pilot B all without a struggle because pilot B had no concern that this was even a possibility. Pilot A returns to his seat and commandeers the airplane. No one in main cabin would be any wiser.

I do not suggest that this is what happened, only an attempt to dispel the myth that a pilot hijacking his own plane (for whatever reason) requires the other pilot to physically leave the flight deck.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 231):

the worry id the plane was dealt with somewhere else and then was ferried shiped south and damp it to look like it was a crash, this why is taking so long, there are 2 things that will come out of this, a consiracy theory or incompetence even from super powers nations who claim they know everything and hav powerful satellites which proved they aren't after 13 days

again, your theory uses a bunch of random assumptions and honestly, if this is the debris I think they found it very quickly. Again look at the oceans... They are absolutely massive. You're looking for pieces of junk inwater the size of continents
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:53 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 234):
again, your theory uses a bunch of random assumptions and honestly, if this is the debris I think they found it very quickly. Again look at the oceans... They are absolutely massive. You're looking for pieces of junk inwater the size of continents

what I worry about is that someone or an entity will get away with this and we never know if it can be reproduced down the line again
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:01 pm

I doubt that is MH370 there in the South Indian Ocean. It just doesn't make sense they would travel there. They could have committed suicide long before. I think the airplane headed somewhere north.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:02 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 227):
This is one of the epic Airliners threads!

I wonder how many parts it will make up in the end

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People love mysteries...And mysteries open the door for speculation...Add to that the love of "I'm right and you are wrong" mantra.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 231):
the worry id the plane was dealt with somewhere else and then was ferried shiped south and damp it to look like it was a crash, this why is taking so long, there are 2 things that will come out of this, a consiracy theory or incompetence even from super powers nations who claim they know everything and hav powerful satellites which proved they aren't after 13 days

If this happened, it'd be many, many more days until we saw staged wreckage appear. Ships are not very fast, even if said aircraft was chopped up on the 8th and loaded onto a ship on the 9th. Plus, that's a lot of heavy debris.

I have no idea what the objects spotted in the Southern Ocean are. The pictures seem indistinct. It could be anything, but it's also worth checking out.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:08 pm

It is astonishing to me that we continue to hear people engaging in wild conspiracy theories without one single bit of evidence. I think the standards of analytical and critical thinking in todays society is really discouraging. Too many movies, badly researched action novels, and fantasy comic books have rotted people's brains.

The US Government and its magic satellites would have found MH370 by now, so..... they must not be telling us everything and the aircraft must be in Pakistan after being hijacked by Bigfoot and all those guys who killed JFK.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:09 pm

If the aircraft did in fact impact the water in that approximate area, I wonder for how long the ones lucky enough to climb out of the fuselage and cling to floating debris lived for...the must have died of dehydration 4-5 days ago.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 234):
again, your theory uses a bunch of random assumptions and honestly, if this is the debris I think they found it very quickly. Again look at the oceans... They are absolutely massive. You're looking for pieces of junk inwater the size of continents

As you mention up thread, these aren't exactly highly traveled waters. That extremely large part of the Indian Ocean can see very little maritime traffic. IIRC a few years ago it took several days for a fishing vessel to arrive at a derelict sailboat in that part of the world even when they knew exactly where it was.

I'm sure they're getting some computer algorithm help with photo interpretation but it's still a labor intensive job taking a lot of time.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:10 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 235):
what I worry about is that someone or an entity will get away with this and we never know if it can be reproduced down the line again

As background checks are being carried out - as time goes by - the likelihood of a criminal act diminishes significantly.

1 If the pilots or other on board were part of some extremist political or religious group it will be known by now. They would have joined certain parties or they would have been frequenting certain places. People does not become fanatics overnight. It takes a certain amount of ideological training to become a true fanatic.

2 If the pilots - or other on board - were in dire problems such as having debt they could not pay or some secretes that could be used to pressure them - it will also most likely be known by now.

3 If the pilots were suicidal - in a way that it will make sense for the person concerned to have several hundred people to go with him (her) - it will also have been known by now. People with such levels of anger would have been talking about their frustrations until there were no one left to listen to them. A suicide that not only killed the person him/herself but a full load of pax would have been the last statement in a "long sermon". This will also have been known by now.

[Edited 2014-03-20 11:13:29]
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:11 pm

Quoting davidzill (Reply 240):

i think it's likely, if this is the aircraft, they either died on impact or were dead long before hand.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:17 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 235):

what I worry about is that someone or an entity will get away with this and we never know if it can be reproduced down the line again

Everyone shares that concern but we aren't formulating theories with 0 evidence to back it up. China having it, Iran having it, the US shooting it down, Pakistan having it, UFOs taking it, etc have zero evidence backing it up so why even stand behind a crazy theory?

Formulate your conclusion based off evidence, don't just come up with something random and pick out evidence that fits it, make even more assumptions to back it up, and use absence of evidence as evidence for whatever assumption you have. That's how wild conspiracy theories are born
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:20 pm

If it's off Austrailia then we are looking at fuselage breach/hypoxia or isolated fire as the most likely cause. Something which has been dismissed far too easily given the pilot's sterling record.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:21 pm

Worth putting this up here again to show shipping traffic versus spotted debris.

http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/e...1en/img/map_strategic_passages.png
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting jcxroberts (Reply 245):
If it's off Austrailia then we are looking at fuselage breach/hypoxia or isolated fire as the most likely cause. Something which has been dismissed far too easily given the pilot's sterling record.

Given the flight path, I can't understand how anyone can think it is hypoxia or fire.

The flight path we have been given would have to be completely incorrect.

With hypoxia or fire, we would expect the plane to take a heading and stay there, not maneuver up an down and turn at waypoints.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 243):

My theory is based simply on I never trusted politicians about what they say
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 246):
With hypoxia or fire, we would expect the plane to take a heading and stay there, not maneuver up an down and turn at waypoints.

That is not what happened with Swissair 111 when it suffered from an electrical fire. It flew in weird directions before crashing. So why would one expect this case to be any different? There really is no strong basis for discounting the fire theory based on its weird meanderings.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:42 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 246):
Given the flight path, I can't understand how anyone can think it is hypoxia or fire.

The flight path we have been given would have to be completely incorrect.

Gradual hypoxia makes people do irrational things, and planes can be programmed. A feature of hypoxic crashes is that the planes fly off into oblivion until they run out of fuel.

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