| Quoting capri (Reply 88): I spoke about MH370 FO, who quoted me spoke about AF447 FO |
| Quoting capri (Reply 58): at least there are few commonility with AF447. one of them is a brand new co-pilot who was just checked out in a 777 and doing his first flight with no check co-pilot, |
| Quoting TheRedBAron (Reply 93): NO. you can't jump from a airplane. DB cooper did it in the rear stairs of a 727 with the gear down and flying low and as slow as possible...even then there was no warranty he survived.... On a 777 there is no rear (below fuselage door/stairs)... |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 95): If the cabin was depressurized the exterior doors could be opened, correct? Which door would be easiest to open and jump from? |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 78): After incapacitating the other pilot, crew, and PAX, could the pilot parachute over land at 3-12kft (ala DB Cooper) leaving the 777 to carry on per the "disappear" flight plan set for max range ultimately to the southwest? |
| Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 101): As I noted, the AF447 FO (PF) had 807 hours on type, including 61 hours in the preceding 30 days. Hardly "commonality". |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 98): Quoting hivue (Reply 89):Quoting captainx (Reply 83):Immersat is saying they assumed 350kt speed. Isn't that rather low? Source? Was just on CNN and said this. |
| Quoting captainstefan (Reply 104): Probably not. The doors on the 777 pivot out and then toward the nose of the airplane, so unless you have the force to combat 300+kts of wind, you're not opening the door in flight, even if it is unpressurized. |
| Quoting TheRedBAron (Reply 93): NO. you can't jump from a airplane. DB cooper did it in the rear stairs of a 727 with the gear down and flying low and as slow as possible...even then there was no warranty he survived.... |
| Quoting iberiadc852 (Reply 108): Is that compatible with nobody making succesful mobile calls? |
| Quoting anfromme (Reply 97): Or better even: the FDR and CVR. |
| Quoting davidzill (Reply 112): I believe investigators came to their final conclusion that MH370 hit the deck in the remote area of the southern Indian Ocean upon further examination of INMARSAT data. I believe the preliminary examination of the data gave investigators a close but approximate lateral flight route, and a further analysis was able to provide investigators with a possible vertical trajectory the lead to an altitude of 0' MSL. |
| Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 115): |
| Quoting captainstefan (Reply 104): This brings the entire thing to a single incident, with the rest being the chain of events that followed from it. Eliminates all of the bad people scenarios and leaves us with a very tragic accident. The worst part of this scenario is the possibility that everyone was well aware of what was happening. |
| Quoting MSY-MSP (Reply 103): |
| Quoting capri (Reply 118): this what was my post |
| Quoting capri (Reply 58): at least there are few commonility with AF447. one of them is a brand new co-pilot who was just checked out in a 777 and doing his first flight with no check co-pilot |
| Quoting davidzill (Reply 2): divert field on Palau island or maybe a return to the original airport. |
| Quoting koruman (Reply 11): I postulated that the airliner was hijacked by Uighur terrorists shortly after it flew off the east coast of Malaysia. It then flew back west to the alleged Chinese air base on Great Coco Island north of the Andaman Islands, at which point demands were made (?release of prisoners) and the Chinese instructed the pilots to land at a remote southwest Chinese air force base (which happens to be on the northern trajectory the satellite pings still support). |
So the Inmarsat pings are false? Their statement of "consistently moving away from the satellite" was false too?
| Quoting flood (Reply 45): It's worth noting that, in an interview with CNN, an Inmarsat VP said their conclusion was peer reviewed by the industry and Boeing had contributed. |
| Quoting AR385 (Reply 109): With the plane at 12,000ft if this turns out to be true. Would cell phones on board have worked at that altitude? |
| Quoting MSY-MSP (Reply 103): At some point here in the crew realizes that the aircraft is flying too fast for the altitude. They then find that the throttles are non-responsive and the engines are just turning away. |
| Quoting MSY-MSP (Reply 103): they make the decision to basically wait the fuel out and then hope to glide to a suitable airport. The idea being that they would just circle Sumatra until such time as the fuel ran out. Once the fuel ran out the idea would be to pick the closest suitable airport and glide to it. |
| Quoting MSY-MSP (Reply 103): First is that they don't have to worry about terrain. Second it kept them close to shore, for rescue or ditching in the event that they didn't or couldn't make an airport. |
| Quoting davidzill (Reply 112): I believe the preliminary examination of the data gave investigators a close but approximate lateral flight route, and a further analysis was able to provide investigators with a possible vertical trajectory the lead to an altitude of 0' MSL. |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 114): What explains the big final left turn to the south after passing Indonsia????? |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 95): If the cabin was depressurized the exterior doors could be opened, correct? Which door would be easiest to open and jump from? |
| Quoting captainstefan (Reply 104): Probably not. The doors on the 777 pivot out and then toward the nose of the airplane, so unless you have the force to combat 300+kts of wind, you're not opening the door in flight, even if it is unpressurized. |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 110): Yes, I have verified this. |
| Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 102): On a news website, it is frustrating to read comments that MH370 has landed on Diego Garcia. And they say that it is all fishy, INMARSAT should have handed over its "position" data two weeks ago... |
| Quoting capri (Reply 124): a conflict of interest maybe??? |
| Quoting capri (Reply 58): at least there are few commonility with AF447. one of them is a brand new co-pilot who was just checked out in a 777 and doing his first flight with no check co-pilot |
| Quoting capri (Reply 118): I never mentioned AF447 |
| Quoting mandala499 (Reply 122): And the satellites are probably made by Boeing too! :p |
| Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 127): Quoting capri (Reply 124): a conflict of interest maybe??? Did you write reply 58 or not? Quoting capri (Reply 58): at least there are few commonility with AF447. one of them is a brand new co-pilot who was just checked out in a 777 and doing his first flight with no check co-pilot And did you write reply 118 or not? Quoting capri (Reply 118): I never mentioned AF447 |
| Quoting capri (Reply 50): from conference today, MH CEO said co-pilot was his first flight unsupervised and the captain was a qualified examiner, could it be the captain stepped out while they settle in cruise and something happened, co-pilot panicked that he never thought that his first flight will face emergency, he dialled wrong frequencies and was transmitting in the blind and by the time the captain got back, it was chaotic |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 69): How would the autopilot respond to all engines running out of fuel? Will it glide at min sink until touchdown? |
| Quoting capri (Reply 118): never mentioned AF447, so someone said this a carbon copy of AF447, so get your facts right |
| Quoting captainstefan (Reply 65): Inexperienced FO playing a significant role in the incidents of AF 447, OZ 214, and now with MH 370? I'm really afraid of the general (and governmental) reaction if this proves to be the case. |
| Quoting bueb0g (Reply 134): Quoting captainx (Reply 69): How would the autopilot respond to all engines running out of fuel? Will it glide at min sink until touchdown? No, it will pitch up until it stalls and will then disconnect |
| Quoting art (Reply 117): From what I heard on the BBC news (a) a new kind of analysis was done (b) doppler effect was memtioned (c) comparisons were made with known flight data of other flights to develop a new model for calculation |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 129): What else explains this long steady track south? |
| Quoting hivue (Reply 138): What else explains this long steady track south? Aircraft on autopilot, no one awake to alter the long steady track south? |
| Quote: McLaughlin: We took Malaysian 777 aircraft data and modeled that and then put that against the northern and southern path and what we discovered was that the path to the south is undoubtedly the one taken. Reporter: So you compared it to the other aircraft... I mean why haven't you come up with this before, why has it taken so long time to get to this point? Mr McLaughlin: We have been dealing with a totally new area. We have been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that did not include any GPS data, any time and distance information. So this really was a bit shot into the dark and it is to the credit to our scientific team that they came up and managed to model this. They managed to find a way in which to say just a single ping can be used to say that the plane was both powered up and travelling, and then by a process of elimination comparing it to other known flights established that it went south. Reporter: Is this it now or can you pinpoint even further where it might be? McLaughlin: We cannot help you with any closer data... |
| Quoting captainx (Reply 142): Someone had to be alive to do that. Argues against a mech fault. |
)| Quoting AT (Reply 132): Assuming that this crash is due to deliberate pilot action, |
| Quoting Finn350 (Reply 143): |
| Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 135): Enough already with the arguing and bickering Kaiarahi and Capri - 239 people Have been confirmed dead today. If you must continue perhaps do it by PM as at 40-something threads already we really don't need to bulk it out anymore with tit-for-tat. Rip to all those lost (even though none of us are suprised at today's news) and of course To their families left behind. Let's all hope this mystery is finally solved sooner or later, rather than never. |
| Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 135): Let's all hope this mystery is finally solved sooner or later, rather than never. |
