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Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:58 pm

Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005


Albuquerque, NM Starts 18SEP14

AS790 SEA-ABQ 1055 1450
AS791 ABQ-SEA 1545 1745

All flights operated by 737 aircraft

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:44 pm

Great to see AS expanding to additional destinations. The city choices aren't too surprising, I guess. WN has two to three flights per day. Before WN, I don't think there were any nonstops. Wien had direct service through OAK and DEN for short time back in early 1980's.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:55 pm

Thanks for remembering WC! I worked for them up until nearly the end...furloughed Nov 1st, 1984. Was a great airline and a shame they didn't make it.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Wien had direct service through OAK and DEN for short time back in early 1980's.

Good memory, dated 3/2/84 - http://www.departedflights.com/WC030284.html

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Great to see AS expanding to additional destinations

IMO, ABQ has been a missing spot on the route map for a long time, glad to see AS growing. Both smart adds.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 2):
Thanks for remembering WC! I worked for them up until nearly the end...furloughed Nov 1st, 1984. Was a great airline and a shame they didn't make it.

A fine airline indeed, a treat to fly 'em, good memories.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:23 pm

Interesting! I'm really surprised that SEA-ABQ is mainline vs a CR7. SEA-OMA is a CR7 and it is a 200 mile longer route. I'm assuming because Southwest is flying it already, AS feels they need to put mainline on it to complete. In addition, with all the WN retreating at SEA lately, I bet the AS is thinking they can push WN off the route within a few years.

Otherwise, maybe SEA-OMA will transition to mainline. I read and heard that AS is very pleased with the OMA route thus far and they are looking at the possibility of adding PDX.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:29 pm

I actually missed out on flying WC (Wien Consolidated?) because I didn't really started flying in earnest until 1985. My consolation prize though was that my first ever flight on AS was Seahawk 1. I can't complain.

But I remember WC at OAK and they had quite a presence with flights to ABQ, PHX, PDX and SEA.

I'm just waiting for someone in this forum to say that this is direct attack on DL.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:37 pm

And it looks like AS will be dragging WN more and more into this war in SEA between AS and DL.
I am sure with this anouncement by AS, WN will now keep their SEA-BWI all year round now versus the seasonal flight the bring around in the spring and summer.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:13 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I actually missed out on flying WC (Wien Consolidated?)

After the merger of Northern Consolidated and Wien Alaska, it became Wien Consolidated. In 1974 they changed their name to Wien Air Alaska and in early 1985 they changed to Wien Airlines.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:15 am

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Interesting! I'm really surprised that SEA-ABQ is mainline vs a CR7. SEA-OMA is a CR7 and it is a 200 mile longer

Not much of an issue. UAX (OO) does AUS-SFO blocked at 4:05.

But I agree with you, maybe a 73G is the right size to start the market.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:39 am

Thrilled to see SEA-ABQ - I've been thinking of doing a solo getaway to New Mexico in the fall. However, the fares are well over $300RT, matching WN, so I'll probably hold off and see if they come down a bit at some point. My solo getaways are very low-budget.

Loved Wien. I remember hot towel service ANC-SEA. Nice airline.

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:58 am

Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):
Albuquerque, NM Starts 18SEP14

wow i thought AS or at least QX would have a flight here.

that is IMO a big missing link and a good add. IMO much like SLC.

I see both doing well.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:12 pm

Both ABQ and BWI are starting out with 73H service. Nice to see AS continue its expansion.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Interesting! I'm really surprised that SEA-ABQ is mainline vs a CR7. SEA-OMA is a CR7 and it is a 200 mile longer route. I'm assuming because Southwest is flying it already, AS feels they need to put mainline on it to complete. In addition, with all the WN retreating at SEA lately, I bet the AS is thinking they can push WN off the route within a few years.

With the upcoming end of the Wright amendment later this year, I have wondered if WN will drop this route. The last few years during the summer there were 2 WN flights SEA-ABQ-SEA. The last I checked there was only one flight this year. Add that to the fact that AS starts this new SEA-ABQ flight only a few weeks before the Wright amendment ends makes me really wonder if AS thinks that either WN will end their flight. If not AS intends to give WN a full court press, shall we say, to drop their flight.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):

Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005

Terrible seasonality for this to start.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):
Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005
Terrible seasonality for this to start.

It seems like the seasonal Southwest nonstop BWI-SEA ends on 9/1, so the Alaska flight will pick up the next day. I wonder if Southwest responds by extending their seasonal flight year round or if they'll let Alaska have at it.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:40 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):
Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005

Terrible seasonality for this to start.

Doesn't matter, really. WN's lowest one-way BWI-SEA fare has taken a sudden dive to $171 ($192 for the BWI-SEA nonstop). That's cheaper than flights to Florida.

AS will need to struggle to make its new BWI-SEA flights profitable.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:38 pm

I wonder which concourse in BWI?

With US moving to C in the summer, it seems like a natural for Concourse D.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:55 pm

Well, got the email from Alaska so booked my solo September getaway (Railfanpalooza 2014) for $198 to ABQ. Looking forward to it!

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:14 pm

Looks like PDXATL, DENANC and LGBPDX are being discontinued, however.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:19 pm

No surprise, no surprise, and no surprise, IMHO. None of those would seem to be integral to their current strategy.

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:24 pm

This is great news. The two daily flights to DCA are some of the highest yielding and hardest to get seats on flights they operate. This will help accommodate more DC bound flyers while offering the Baltimore destination travelers the non-stop.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 18):
Looks like PDXATL, DENANC and LGBPDX are being discontinued, however.

Really? PDX-ATL just started didn't it? DEN-ANC was announced awhile back that wasn't resuming. I think PDX-LGB just started (again) recently too.

I too assumed ABQ would be a CR7 like another poster indicated. BWI suprises me a bit. I expected they'd go back to IAD first, or start RDU.

So what's left that can possibly support AS service from SEA? RDU, CLT, YYZ, YUL, CMH, PIT, MKE, IND, CLE, MRY, TVL, JAC, YWG, ITO, GDL. Anything else?
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:07 pm

Wow.. PDX is taking a serious hit! I wonder how far are they planning to gut Portland in favor of protecting Seattle?
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:20 pm

PDX-DEN/LGB don't seem like core routes, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

That they have even tried so many routes out of Portland speaks volumes about their commitment to the market. I would guess at this stage they are balancing the desire to remain competitive in PDX, solidify their fortress in SEA, make money, and perhaps extend leases on a few jets. These routes didn't pencil out but hopefully they are the exception.

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 22):
Wow.. PDX is taking a serious hit! I wonder how far are they planning to gut Portland in favor of protecting Seattle?
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 23):
PDX-DEN/LGB don't seem like core routes, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

PDX-LGB isn't much of a loss...LGB really seems to be a floundering airport with mostly the NIMBYs to blame. B6 has certainly been shifting attention away from it lately and this is just icing on the cake.
ATL at first glance seems like more of a step backwards but with such a long stage length there is probably better money to be made elsewhere. Was PDX-ATL a DL codeshare route? If so, perhaps AS pulled it because it was a high percentage DL feed spoke.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:59 pm

Also, people flying PDX-ATL/DL-XYZ as well as the O&D PDX-ATL can probably just be routed over SEA. With the new flights to TPA (for example) AS probably would prefer to route people on its own metal over SEA than over DL via ATL.

I'd like to continue to see PDX expansion for them. Trans cons will be a challenge when competing with the new SEA flights' needs.

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:33 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 22):
Wow.. PDX is taking a serious hit! I wonder how far are they planning to gut Portland in favor of protecting Seattle?

I wouldn't say discontinuing two routes is "gutting." PDXATL was a long shot in the first place, in my opinion.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
So what's left that can possibly support AS service from SEA? RDU, CLT, YYZ, YUL, CMH, PIT, MKE, IND, CLE, MRY, TVL, JAC, YWG, ITO, GDL. Anything else?

You would think OKC would be in a mix since AS flies in every day (it seems) anyway. :-P
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:29 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 26):
I wouldn't say discontinuing two routes is "gutting." PDXATL was a long shot in the first place, in my opinion.

Didn't it just start in the past few months?

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 27):
You would think OKC would be in a mix since AS flies in every day (it seems) anyway. :-P

What do they do maintenance work there? Or do they go to watch their former local basketball team?
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:48 pm

Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):
Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005

Baltimore was technically the second largest metropolitan area missing from the AS route map (after Cleveland), but AS offers quite a bit service into nearby DCA. PHL isn't very far away either. I would have expected a more geographically distinct market like PIT or RDU to come online.

Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):
Albuquerque, NM Starts 18SEP14

AS790 SEA-ABQ 1055 1450
AS791 ABQ-SEA 1545 1745

I figured ABQ was the perfect mission for a CR7. I'm rather surprised it will be added as a mainline route, although I suppose ABQ is similar in size, demographics, and tourist appeal to TUS, which has had mainline AS from SEA for years.

Interesting that AS seems to be targeting what it may perceive as some of WN's weakest SEA routes. AS has already managed to knock WN off SEA-BOI/GEG/RNO/SLC, so....

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
So what's left that can possibly support AS service from SEA? RDU, CLT, YYZ, YUL, CMH, PIT, MKE, IND, CLE, MRY, TVL, JAC, YWG, ITO, GDL. Anything else?

CLE, CLT, CMH, IND, PIT, and RDU absolutely.

If HDN did well then I would agree with JAC, as well as other popular ski markets like ASE, EGE, and MTJ.

Don't forget about CVG, that would really send a strong message to DL. Also there's BNA. I wonder if BDL would be a possibility, but given the continued lack of SFO-BDL, I doubt it (then again, the complete lack of SFO-TPA didn't stop AS from adding SEA-TPA). WN has MKE covered.

I would think MRY would already be served from SEA if there was a market for it, but if STS works from SEA I see no reason why MRY wouldn't.

The NIMBY-related hassles of TVL probably aren't worth it, RNO and SMF serve as great gateways to Lake Tahoe (and have sizable local markets to boot).

ITO has been suggested on here a lot, but let's face it, UA can't even seem to manage a 1x weekly service to that market from its massive SFO hub. Even the SEA-OAK-ITO routing that many have suggested would be a complete disaster.

Seattle is not home to a significant Mexican community so there is no need for a nonstop GDL service.

Forget about Canada. AS actually tried YYZ in the past (albeit from LAX) and it was very short-lived, just like VX's more recent attempt to serve the same market. AC/UA/Star Alliance simply have the Eastern Canada-West Coast markets on lock down.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:56 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 28):

I think AAR does some of AS's checks in OKC
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:56 pm

Quoting czek6 (Reply 14):
It seems like the seasonal Southwest nonstop BWI-SEA ends on 9/1, so the Alaska flight will pick up the next day. I wonder if Southwest responds by extending their seasonal flight year round or if they'll let Alaska have at it.




Yeah, WN cannot abandon the route now that there will be another carrier on the route. BWI is 3rd or 4th largest city for them, so to give that up would be a blow. I expect WN to have a mid schedule adjustment to keep this flight all year round now.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:08 pm

How is AS doing at OMA?
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 29):
Forget about Canada. AS actually tried YYZ in the past (albeit from LAX) and it was very short-lived,

I'm aware of that. AS did LAX-YYZ with MD-80s, against AC's wide bodies, back when AS had far less brand recognition. SEA-YYZ now is a totally different ball game. If not that, how about more QX to secondary cities in the five western provinces.

Yeah, I forgot CVG and BNA, and MEM too.

You're probably right about GDL. AS does the through SEA-SJC-GDL and SEA-LAX-MEX routings, which probably have it covered.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:20 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
I'm assuming because Southwest is flying it already, AS feels they need to put mainline on it to complete.

AS puts Q400s against WN on SEA-RNO. I’m not sure they are afraid of competing with a 737. However I wonder about a CRJ doing ABQ-SEA.

Quoting as739x (Reply 8):
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Interesting! I'm really surprised that SEA-ABQ is mainline vs a CR7. SEA-OMA is a CR7 and it is a 200 mile longer

Not much of an issue. UAX (OO) does AUS-SFO blocked at 4:05.

ABQ is at 5,000ft elevation and can get rather hot. I’m not sure if that affects it.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Thread starter):

Baltimore, MD Starts 02SEP14

AS766 SEA-BWI 0815 1610
AS767 BWI-SEA 1710 2005

Terrible seasonality for this to start.

I think WN’s seasonal cuts affect the route. Airtran was flying this route only during the summers.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:50 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 34):
AS puts Q400s against WN on SEA-RNO. I’m not sure they are afraid of competing with a 737.

SEA-RNO used to be all mainline. Then it was a mix of mainline and QX for awhile. I assume the loads weren't good enough to justify a 737.

I'd personally take my free beer anytime over WN.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
SEA-YYZ now is a totally different ball game.

Even AC only sees reason to fly it 1x daily - with the E-190. I don't even think the market is there for a second flight on any carrier - AS or otherwise.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
If not that, how about more QX to secondary cities in the five western provinces.

They've got the primary BC and Alberta markets of YLW, YVR, YEG, YYC, and YYJ covered. They did try YKA (Kamloops) and YXS (Prince George), but those didn't work out. YXE comes to mind as a possibility, but even that may be too small for a 76 seat Q400. It may also be too far for the Q400, and uneconomical with a 70 seat CR7. Perhaps they could serve YMM like UA does, emphasizing connectivity beyond SEA to warm getaways like California, Hawaii, LAS, and the Mexican Riviera. Maybe a summer seasonal YXY that could appeal to intrepid tourists. There are few possibilities for expansion into smaller markets when you only have 70 seat RJs and 76 seat turboprops at your disposal.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:06 pm

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 36):
hey've got the primary BC and Alberta markets of YLW, YVR, YEG, YYC, and YYJ covered. They did try YKA (Kamloops) and YXS (Prince George), but those didn't work out.

Not sure why QX dropped YKA. It was a seasonal ski flight basically. YXS is probably the shortest lived AS route ever - like 2 months. (other than SNA-YVR).

What about Nanaimo, Whitehorse, Regina and Abbotsford? Those come to mind for starters.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 28):
What do they do maintenance work there? Or do they go to watch their former local basketball team?
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 30):
I think AAR does some of AS's checks in OKC

Indeed. AAR does maintenance for AS there. There is usually always at least one 737 here, sometimes 2 or 3.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 36):
Even AC only sees reason to fly it 1x daily - with the E-190. I don't even think the market is there for a second flight on any carrier - AS or otherwise.

AC flies 2X daily E-190's during the summer.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:06 am

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 29):
I would think MRY would already be served from SEA if there was a market for it, but if STS works from SEA I see no reason why MRY wouldn't.

The NIMBY-related hassles of TVL probably aren't worth it, RNO and SMF serve as great gateways to Lake Tahoe (and have sizable local markets to boot).

As for the MRY market, I think it would be successful in the same manner as STS. It's just a matter of AS/QX having the resources to give it a try with the 1X daily MRY-SEA.

As for TVL, I think the Q400 would be the perfect airplane for the airport. But like you said, the NIMBY's will put a stop to that. I thought of the same thing with CCR. There's a huge (and growing) population in Contra Costa County and QX would do very well there.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:05 am

No question that right now AS has everything aimed at SEA -- that's where everything available is being used. (Even the SLC-Surge has apparently topped out.) This recent round of SEA-adds has seen 5 brand new routes using pretty close to 5 full-time a/c! (Not even a single red-eye.) The odd exception has been the transfer of a FCA-flight to PDX.

I'm sure AS is using seasonal adjustments for some of these needed planes but Andrew has been warning everyone for months now that routes that weren't profitable would be gone, and quickly. That would also seemingly include routes that have been around for a while, like LA-SJ and PDX-LGB, that had somewhat marginal bottom lines. Apparently the PDX-ATL route (started 8/26/13) hasn't performed well , so it's gone after about a year.

The management must feel things at SEA are serious enough right now to be taking this strategy and who knows how long this will continue but my guess is, a while. I do hope things work out well for AAG.

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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 41):
No question that right now AS has everything aimed at SEA -- that's where everything available is being used.

AS has had a defined "Seattle Strategy" for nearly a decade now, but with competitive encroachment it's more important than ever to maintain the market and retain existing PNW travelers while attracting new ones while also keeping up high levels of SEA activity to maintain gates from the Port of Seattle since they're allocated in part based on use.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 34):
ABQ is at 5,000ft elevation and can get rather hot. I’m not sure if that affects it.



Definatly a possibility. But would but impractible for an airline to base a route segment and fleet type with twice the seats for occastional weight restricted days. AS must feel they can make the numbers for a 737 work.
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:04 am

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Interesting! I'm really surprised that SEA-ABQ is mainline vs a CR7. SEA-OMA is a CR7 and it is a 200 mile longer route. I'm assuming because Southwest is flying it already, AS feels they need to put mainline on it to complete. In addition, with all the WN retreating at SEA lately, I bet the AS is thinking they can push WN off the route within a few years.

Otherwise, maybe SEA-OMA will transition to mainline. I read and heard that AS is very pleased with the OMA route thus far and they are looking at the possibility of adding PDX.
Quoting as739x (Reply 8):
ot much of an issue. UAX (OO) does AUS-SFO blocked at 4:05.

But I agree with you, maybe a 73G is the right size to start the market.

   Some of these routes would best be flown with a 73G on days when the demand is there, others, the CR7.
E75s would be a great a/c for AS.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:56 pm

One thing good about SEA-ABQ and SEA-OMA is that AS can pretty much throw any flying resources at those markets ranging from a CR7 to a 737-900/-900ER if they are doing exceptionally well.

I wonder how COS is doing. I was hoping that COS would end up with mainline aircraft as well.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 28):
Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 29):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
So what's left that can possibly support AS service from SEA? RDU, CLT, YYZ, YUL, CMH, PIT, MKE, IND, CLE, MRY, TVL, JAC, YWG, ITO, GDL. Anything else?

CLE, CLT, CMH, IND, PIT, and RDU absolutely.

Agree with the list above and if I had to put in an order:
CLT - to pick up some of the AA code share opportunity and east coast feed.
One of those Ohio cities has to be next.
I keep hearing about IND.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:04 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
So what's left that can possibly support AS service from SEA? RDU, CLT, YYZ, YUL, CMH, PIT, MKE, IND, CLE, MRY, TVL, JAC, YWG, ITO, GDL. Anything else?
Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 29):
CLE, CLT, CMH, IND, PIT, and RDU absolutely.

Would be a long flight on a CR7, but a 1x daily SEA-DSM would be nice to see.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 36):
Even AC only sees reason to fly it 1x daily - with the E-190. I don't even think the market is there for a second flight on any carrier - AS or otherwise.

AC flies 2X daily E-190's during the summer.

AC's second daily YYZ-SEA-YYZ flight operates June 2 - October 12.
 
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RE: Alaska To Start SEA-BWI & ABQ In September!

Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:11 am

Quoting cjpmaestro (Reply 46):
CLT - to pick up some of the AA code share opportunity and east coast feed.

Maybe AS will just put their code on an AA flights CLT-SEA and AS can use that aircraft to start up another city.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
SEA-YYZ now is a totally different ball game.

Sure is, last time I flew the route it was in J on a TG MD-11, right after it was switched from a 743 ...
 
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