norcal
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RE: American Eagle Pilots Reject Contract (70%-30%)

Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 49):
If you're in that market, why would you agree to lock in today's low prices through tomorrow's market? You won't be making nearly as much as you could that way.

Exactly, management is trying to hedge against increasing pilot costs much like they might try and hedge against rising oil prices.
 
oc2dc
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RE: American Eagle Pilots Reject Contract (70%-30%)

Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:21 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 45):
Please explain the "new low" ; this wasn't a concessionary contract as I understand it, First Officers below 8 years and Captains below 12 years would have seen higher step increases, Captains in years 15 to 17 would keep getting annual increases, First Officers who are promoted to Captains will get huge pay increases, and Captains who flow through to American will clearly make even more.

The cap for FO's would have been at 4 years if they voted up this new contract.... Also, keep in mind that Captains at MQ take a major pay cut when they flow through to AA. They are put on probation and given first year pay. It would take a senior MQ captain who flowed to AA about 4 or 5 years to make the same amount of money they were making their last year at MQ. Now add in the fact that the Senior Captains at MQ are probably already in their 50's and some in their 60's, their is no point in moving on b/c they have to retire at 65 anyway. For some it may be worth it in the long run. However, as norcal has stated, AA and MQ management has proven they can't be trusted and will make life as miserable as possible in order to get what they want from the pilots.

Quoting norcal (Reply 48):
American Eagle pilots were burned very bad by the last flow through agreement. Many of the guys currently at Eagle where there in 1997 and told, "Vote Yes and you'll all flow to American in a few year." What happens? AMR buys Reno Air and then buys TWA and doesn't flow any Eagle pilots as promised.

Fool me once, fool me twice...... you know the saying. The pilots at MQ have been fooled way too many times. Glad they finally put the breaks on this nonsense.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 45):
And the flow language was clearly codified as part of the CBA so there wouldn't be any monkey business with the flow.

See below : VVVV There has always been "monkey business" between AA management and MQ.

Quoting norcal (Reply 48):
What it basically boils down to is trust. American Eagle management constantly violates the current bankruptcy TA and it takes years for the system to work it out.
I'm not complaining, I'm critiquing...
 
Mir
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RE: American Eagle Pilots Reject Contract (70%-30%)

Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:24 pm

Quoting norcal (Reply 50):
Exactly, management is trying to hedge against increasing pilot costs much like they might try and hedge against rising oil prices.

And there's nothing wrong with them trying, but if they want it to work they're going to have to offer something more than what they were already going to have to do anyway.

-Mir
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