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First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:11 am

The question has been raised several times in topics regarding Rouge's 767s. Now (almost two weeks later) it's here. The first Air Canada Rouge 767 with winglets. Looks sharp.


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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:19 am

But will any 319s get sharklets?
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:26 pm

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 1):

But will any 319s get sharklets?

No is what I've heard...

I saw 633 departing YYZ last weekend... the big red winglets look good in person.
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:18 pm

They should have put the leaf on the winglets, nice none the less
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:24 pm

I like the Rouge livery, particularly with the extra pop of the winglets, much better than the toothpaste AC livery.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
I like the Rouge livery, particularly with the extra pop of the winglets, much better than the toothpaste AC livery.

The toothpaste color in and of itself is not my favourite, but I must say it is distinctive and immediately identifiable. The tail design of that scheme is brilliant IMHO and looks great at night with the tell-tail illumination.

Back to the Rouge livery: it's also a nice design, and more in line with AC's historic look. The winglets add some real pizzazz as well. IMHO, this is the design that AC should have adopted in 1979, prior to two real livery misfires (the all-red update to the classic mid-60s look), and the twin striper from the late 80s, both dull as dishwater IMHO.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 3):
They should have put the leaf on the winglets,

I prefer it that way. It's more consistent with their brand.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:03 pm

Will the AC mainline 763s receive winglets?
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:37 pm

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 7):

Will the AC mainline 763s receive winglets?

No. 767s will gradually leave the AC fleet as the 787s arrive. 767s will only receive winglets upon transferal to Rouge. At least that's the way i understand it.

8 firm, 12 optional, as per agreement with Aviation Partners Boeing.

That being said, i don't see Rouge operating 20 B767s, since that seems like a lot of 767s for the winter season, with little to no flights to Europe. Maybe the 12 optional is in fact for AC mainline, in case they might still need some 767s down the road.

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:48 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
That being said, i don't see Rouge operating 20 B767s, since that seems a lot of 767s for the winter season, with little to no flights to Europe.

I understand your skepticism, however, winglets aside, original plans for Rouge were to operate a fleet of 20 767s about two-three years after operations start.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
I understand your skepticism, however, winglets aside, original plans for Rouge were to operate a fleet of 20 767s about two-three years after operations start.

Yes, but i still don't see it happening.

Look at TS ! (which is after all who Rouge competes with directly)
Even them, with 20+ widebodies, park a few of them or lease them out in the winter season. Simply too much airplane for the Caribbean.

Most of their D checks are done in Rio during the northern winter season as well.

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
I like the Rouge livery, particularly with the extra pop of the winglets, much better than the toothpaste AC livery.

Perhaps it's because I've been subjected to the toothpaste livery so much but sitting on the tarmac last week at YYZ waiting to depart I couldn't help but admire the fresh look of the rouge livery. It really draws your attention. Air Canada should be proud of this achievement.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:00 am

I really like the new bigger and thicker Rouge titles.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:10 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
That being said, i don't see Rouge operating 20 B767s, since that seems like a lot of 767s for the winter season, with little to no flights to Europe.

Why limit yourself to Europe and the Caribbean? There are destinations waiting in Asia, Africa, and South America.

Quoting Allee (Reply 12):
I really like the new bigger and thicker Rouge titles.

Interesting...thanks for pointing that out! I wish the Air Canada title was a little larger, too.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
I like the Rouge livery, particularly with the extra pop of the winglets, much better than the toothpaste AC livery.

The Silver Sky livery is actually quite nice and distinctive, especially when the sun shines on the tail lighting up the various leaves. Plus, as CF-CPI notes, the night illumination is brilliant! (pardon the pun)

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 5):
The tail design of that scheme is brilliant IMHO and looks great at night with the tell-tail illumination.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:31 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
That being said, i don't see Rouge operating 20 B767s

I think that when Rouge was launched, the plan was to eventually have 20 B763 and 30 A319. As for the winglet orders of 8 firm + 12 options, Rouge will have 8 767s by the end of June, 6 of which will be fitted with winglets. The 2 remaining 767s (the original 2 Rouge 767s) will be fitted with winglets in winter (I think), and the options on the winglets will likely be used if/when more 767 are transferred.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:22 pm

Without winglets, I think the 767 is a bit on the homely side....but it looks excellent with them...a whole new bird.
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Quoting Polaris (Reply 13):
There are destinations waiting in Asia, Africa, and South America.

Africa and South America, maybe, but Asia ? Not too sure. Where would they fly to? It would have to be from the west coast, and anything south and west of PVG is pretty much off limits for the 767. Will AC really delegate the likes of PEK, NRT and ICN to Rouge? Not too sure. Maybe a return to KIX?

Now if you meant the Pacific, that I can see ! Hawaii will surely eat up some 767s from YEG, YYC and YVR, maybe even from YYZ, as it's tight for an A319 to do YVR-HNL, not to mention that they will need to get ETOPS180 in order to serve Hawaii. I dont think Rouge will invest that way on its A319s.

Maybe a YVR-PPT as well? can't see much else west of YVR.

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 16):
Africa and South America, maybe, but Asia ? Not too sure. Where would they fly to? It would have to be from the west coast, and anything south and west of PVG is pretty much off limits for the 767. Will AC really delegate the likes of PEK, NRT and ICN to Rouge? Not too sure. Maybe a return to KIX?

In Eastern Asia, current destinations would certainly remain with Air Canada. I'd look at the secondary destinations for rouge. Taipei, Manila, Bangkok, these would be tourist destinations, visiting-friends-and-relatives destinations. Yes, I was thinking of flights out of Vancouver. Plus. the 767-300ER avec winglets has long legs!
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Thread starter):
The first Air Canada Rouge 767 with winglets. Looks sharp.

Certainly does. I love the Rouge livery better than the AC one.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:53 pm

I saw it in person too at YYZ and quite like it. All I could see at first glance was winglets in red and I wondered if it was Austrian. The 763 left in mainline colours are either older aircraft due to be returned to leasors or Rouge candidates made up of newer aircraft or aircraft recently gone through major checks.

I was on a 763 last Friday YYZ to YCG that was a little tired and seemed to still have the first generation of IFE. No amount of rebooting could get one guys movie channel to work in the first row of ExecFirst. Not sure the tail number or whether it is due to be refreshed for Rouge or returned. They are being careful to not spend money on the aircraft that are due to be either converted to Rouge or returned to leasors.

I do know that Rouge is doing well and that the expansion west is an indicator that more of the 763's will go soon, especially as 788 arrive.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:30 pm

Quoting Polaris (Reply 17):
Plus. the 767-300ER avec winglets has long legs!

Nowhere near enough legs for MNL, TPE or BKK

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:31 pm

This explains why someone posted a thread asking why an Air Canada 77W was subbed on a Rogue flight to LAS. Any more winglet installs scheduled?
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:44 pm

Quoting Polaris (Reply 17):
Taipei, Manila, Bangkok

AC's technical characteristics for the 767-300ER say it has a range of 6,555 mi. Great Circle Mapper shows for the YVR-MNL route a distance of 6,567 mi, but this doesn't necessarily represent the actual distance flown and it doesn't take into account the winds and other factors that may reduce the range of the aircraft. BKK is way outside of the range, while maybe TPE could be reached.

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 21):
This explains why someone posted a thread asking why an Air Canada 77W was subbed on a Rogue flight to LAS. Any more winglet installs scheduled?

Last week, as the converted aircraft came back from QPG, IIRC, another was sent there. Don't remember which one though.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:13 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 20):
Nowhere near enough legs for MNL, TPE or BKK

Once the 787's are delivered, perhaps Air Canada may find more profitable routes for the 77L's in the Rouge network. The 77L surely could be configured to hold much more than it's current 270 and has the legs for YVR - TPE/MNL/BKK or even HKT on weekends?

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:27 pm

YVR- Thailand is close to 12000km. That's almost as long as YVR-SYD, with the main difference being that all the traffic to BKK or HKT is low yield VFR. That would make it the longest LCC route in the world.

Ain't gonna happen!

AC has better ways of using its B77L.

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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:04 am

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 19):
I was on a 763 last Friday YYZ to YCG that was a little tired and seemed to still have the first generation of IFE.

You can get a 763 in and out of Castelgar? That would be something to see.
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:30 am

C-FMWV (f/n 634) has also been given winglets and transferred to Rouge. In addition, C-FMWY (635) on 3/18, and C-FMXC (636) on 3/28 flew to Paya Lebar for conversion to Rouge as well.
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 24):
with the main difference being that all the traffic to BKK or HKT is low yield VFR.

For such route, a one stop journey with AC/TG is best option. No need to send a 77L to Thailand.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:55 pm

Other than the colour it looks like a lot like the old Air Canada Tango livery.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:08 pm

Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 28):
Other than the colour it looks like a lot like the old Air Canada Tango livery.

Well, they are both subsidiaries of the same company. However I find RV livery more classy than Tango.



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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:51 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 29):
Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 28):Other than the colour it looks like a lot like the old Air Canada Tango livery.
Well, they are both subsidiaries of the same company. However I find RV livery more classy than Tango

Tango wasn't a subsidiary. It was fully part of mainline AC. It was only a brand, as it still is but now only for the lowest fares, not on dedicated aircraft.

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 21):
This explains why someone posted a thread asking why an Air Canada 77W was subbed on a Rogue flight to LAS. Any more winglet installs scheduled?

It's Rouge (red in French), not Rogue. I believe the plan is to install winglets on all Rouge 763s as they're transferred from AC mainline.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:50 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 30):
Tango wasn't a subsidiary. It was fully part of mainline AC. It was only a brand, as it still is but now only for the lowest fares, not on dedicated aircraft.

Ah yes, that's right. I meant 'subsidiary' as a way to express the fact they both had/have their roots in the same company, hence why their liveries were similar.
 
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RE: First Air Canada Rouge 767 With Winglets

Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:31 pm

I see the EDI timings have been changed and wondered if that was as a result of ramp space now with winglet 767s potentially operating, as EDI will be very tight for space over the peak summer months and doesnt have great onstand widebody space

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