DLH A388 On The Ground In Houston

audioace87 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:31 am

Was sitting there this morning. Still there when I got back this evening. This is usually a same day turn. Is there a maint issue?

thomasphoto60 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:34 am

Naaa......just a li'l ol Pilot's strike.

Revelation · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:49 am

Kind of like the old days when they yelled "Tools Down!" and went out on strike!

Stick it to da man!

PS: BOS thread mentions "LH 744, and an LH 343 in the remote stands near the Delta hanger" for the same reason...

legacyins · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:51 am

And SFO has a 744 and A346 at the remote area. It is supposed to be a three day strike.

Revelation · Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:05 am

Ahh, so German strike = US parking fees!

I wonder if the pilots (and the rest of the crew) wait it out where the a/c is, or if they go back to home base?

airportugal310 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I wonder if the pilots (and the rest of the crew) wait it out where the a/c is, or if they go back to home base?

haha...would be a little awkward for them to picket in front of their crew hotel I would think

usflyguy · Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:14 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):

I wonder if the pilots (and the rest of the crew) wait it out where the a/c is, or if they go back to home base?

Ummm... are they flying magic carpets back or riding on brooms? With the airplanes sitting there and unless they are buying their own tickets on other airlines, they aren't getting home. Wink

[Edited 2014-04-02 20:15:31]

blueflyer · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:08 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
With the airplanes sitting there and unless they are buying their own tickets on other airlines, they aren't getting home.

So they're paid to sit out the strike in a hotel while their colleagues are picketing the airport and not earning a salary?

Moose135 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:24 am

There is an LH A343 parked in the cargo area at CLT tonight as well.

hoons90 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:23 am

Looks like a LH 747-8 (D-ABYJ) and A340-600 (D-AIHS) are also stuck at ICN. What happens to the crew that flew them all the way there? Are they staying there on their own dime now?

blueflyer · Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:21 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
wonder if the pilots (and the rest of the crew) wait it out where the a/c is, or if they go back to home base?

My guess is the whole idea of keeping the aircraft away from base is to speed recovery when the strike ends. If the crew have to be flown back from Frankfurt to their plane, this is a futile exercise.

If it was merely an issue of apron space at FRA, they would have parked the planes at nearby airports in and around Germany instead.

PanHAM · Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:55 am

They all fly back on Saturday arriving FRA/MUC Sunday morning after which the hub ops are almost completely recovered. Crew rotation is simply delayed by the duration of the strike..

Should be back to normal by Monday, which makes this "3 day strike" actually a 5 day strike, For a three day strike, one day would have been sufficient.

The pilots should vote less militant leaders into the VC Jobs. A couple more of These Stunts plus all the strikes by the toilet cleaners Union or anyone else who has a key function in aviation and LH is a Takeover candidate.

For working conditions under the new, then owners refer to US carriers, FR and the like.,

oldeuropean · Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:48 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
So they're paid to sit out the strike in a hotel while their colleagues are picketing the airport and not earning a salary?

No, in Germany, in case of a strike you still get a salary. Either by your employer and/or by the union.

[Edited 2014-04-03 00:49:51]

Fly-K · Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:51 am

Indeed a friend and colleague of mine who is the F/O of this flight is currently enjoying Houston and surroundings...

Revelation · Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:11 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
With the airplanes sitting there and unless they are buying their own tickets on other airlines, they aren't getting home.

Ironically enough, the more senior staff certainly can afford the tickets... Then that leaves the little problem of a shortage of such tickets due to, uhm, the strike...

Richard28 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
So they're paid to sit out the strike in a hotel while their colleagues are picketing the airport and not earning a salary?

so who picks up the hotel fees whilst the pilots are on strike? the unions?

If I recall from the BA strikes a few years back, the pilots always flew back to base before going on strike (please do correct me if I am wrong here)

CrossChecked · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:06 pm

Richard, you're right. And not just the pilots.

The latest cabin crew strikes at British Airways (now four or so years ago) were only in effect at Heathrow. Any crews downroute (away from base) WERE allowed to operate back to London without being considered to have crossed the picket lines.

Many BA crew would return from a trip and go straight to the picket lines.

Of course, at the same time, many BA crew who were on the picket lines also went to work discreetly, not wanting to lose money or staff travel benefits but also not wanting to miss the opportunity to be spotted supporting the union. But I digress.

Piedmont727 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:10 pm

Flight 439 out of DFW is sitting at the parking area at terminal D , were qantas usally hangs out

CascadingDelays · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:36 pm

There was a LH747 at the remote area in Denver DEN as well yesterday. Took me a moment to remember that there was a strike going on.

lammified · Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:51 pm

There are currently 2 LH A380s parked in SIN. 1 operated LH778 arriving at SIN on Tuesday with the return LH779 cancelled and the other arrived in SIN on Wednesday with its return flight similarly cancelled. I assumed the first aircraft had gone tech before reading about the strike.

aviasian · Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:23 pm

Two Lufthansa A380s (D-AIMF and D-AIMG) are parked on the ramp at Singapore Changi Airport today (3 April).

KC Sim

JAGflyer · Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:34 pm

DLH470/470 (FRA-YYZ-FRA) is cancelled today. There is also a LH 747-400 parked in the infield cargo area at YYZ.

Norcal773 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:57 pm

So I have a friend who was scheduled to fly FRA-MEX on April 2nd for wedding this weekend and needless to say she'll be missing the wedding. I feel like an ass though because she had told me she was flying LH and I knew about the up-coming strike and I didn't piece it together for her at the time

Of course I didn't tell her I knew about the strike but I still feel bad. Ha

chiawei · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:09 pm

HKG had 2 748-i and 1 A346.

Tdan · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting Fly-K (Reply 13):
Indeed a friend and colleague of mine who is the F/O of this flight is currently enjoying Houston and surroundings...

Make sure he eats a bunch of Tex-Mex and BBQ. Other than shopping at the Galleria, not much else to do here for German tourists, I mean, flight crews!

airbazar · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 15):
so who picks up the hotel fees whilst the pilots are on strike? the unions?

The hotel is paid for, whether there is a strike or not. When you think about it, same number of crew members at the hotel by virtue of no new crew coming in.

capitalflyer · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:46 pm

DLH419 is cancelled both today and tomorrow (4/3-4/4), 748 IAD-FRA. Shows scheduled on 4/5, which I think is the day the strike ends.

LouieP2186 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:47 pm

At IAH LH441 is scheduled to depart tomorrow (4/4) as of right now.

Rara · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 24):
Make sure he eats a bunch of Tex-Mex and BBQ. Other than shopping at the Galleria, not much else to do here for German tourists, I mean, flight crews!

I'm told they quite like Houston. Don't really know what they're doing there though.

Flaps · Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:52 pm

The striking crews should have to pay for their own rooms and expenses during the strike period and should also not receive their salary. If that were the case I would at least respect them for putting their money where there mouths are. As is what is the sacrifice they are making for their cause? A cowards way in my opinion. If you truly stand for something you should be willing to sacrifice to make your case. f they had to put up or shut up they would shut up quite quickly. These guys are just taking a free paid vacation...wow I really respect their tenacity and leadership now......

Tdan · Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:19 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 28):

I'm told they quite like Houston. Don't really know what they're doing there though.

It really depends on where they stay. I don't know which hotel LH stays in, but KL used to stay out at the airport and the route often went very junior as a result. If they're in the Galleria area, there's TONS of stuff to do, but not much of it is particularly unique other than being relatively inexpensive. I love it here, but I am usually in the minority among Americans (particularly when debating the issue with people from Dallas!)

Quoting airbazar (Reply 25):
The hotel is paid for, whether there is a strike or not. When you think about it, same number of crew members at the hotel by virtue of no new crew coming in.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 29):
The striking crews should have to pay for their own rooms and expenses during the strike period and should also not receive their salary. If that were the case I would at least respect them for putting their money where there mouths are. As is what is the sacrifice they are making for their cause? A cowards way in my opinion. If you truly stand for something you should be willing to sacrifice to make your case. f they had to put up or shut up they would shut up quite quickly. These guys are just taking a free paid vacation...wow I really respect their tenacity and leadership now......

Welcome to the difference between US and German labor disputes!

smittyone · Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:09 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 22):
So I have a friend who was scheduled to fly FRA-MEX on April 2nd for wedding this weekend and needless to say she'll be missing the wedding. I feel like an ass though because she had told me she was flying LH and I knew about the up-coming strike and I didn't piece it together for her at the time Of course I didn't tell her I knew about the strike but I still feel bad. Ha

Hopefully your friend and many others like her will remember this experience next time she books travel...WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

That way some of the strikers at least can reap the 'rewards' of screwing the customer in the form of a firing or furlough due to planes that their company cannot fill.

SOBHI51 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 25):
The hotel is paid for, whether there is a strike or not. When you think about it, same number of crew members at the hotel by virtue of no new crew coming in.

Not really, usually the crew coming in will get the rooms of the crew flying back. Now that crew will not fly, so where does the new crew get his rooms from, who will pay for the extra rooms and in case the hotel is fully booked where will they go????

larshjort · Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:02 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 32):

Not really, usually the crew coming in will get the rooms of the crew flying back. Now that crew will not fly, so where does the new crew get his rooms from, who will pay for the extra rooms and in case the hotel is fully booked where will they go????

The new crew aren't arriving because they are in Germany striking.

UAEflyer · Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:14 pm

1 744 & A330 in DXB enjoying the strike from distance

smittyone · Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:30 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):

They all fly back on Saturday arriving FRA/MUC Sunday morning after which the hub ops are almost completely recovered. Crew rotation is simply delayed by the duration of the strike..

Should be back to normal by Monday, which makes this "3 day strike" actually a 5 day strike, For a three day strike, one day would have been sufficient.

The pilots should vote less militant leaders into the VC Jobs. A couple more of These Stunts plus all the strikes by the toilet cleaners Union or anyone else who has a key function in aviation and LH is a Takeover candidate.

For working conditions under the new, then owners refer to US carriers, FR and the like.,

Indeed, I was surprised to hear this news. You'd think these guys would maybe focus on keeping their company alive in the face of competition from the likes of Emirates. I guess their goal is to just fail more slowly? I sort of thought more highly of the Germans before this, to be honest.

Either way I would love to see an airline in the United States try to pull this sort of thing right now - cancelling flights, stranding passengers etc. Might not be too much of an exaggeration to say that folks would start rage-kicking the shit out of people in the picket line.

[Edited 2014-04-03 16:38:41]

AR385 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:49 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 24):
Make sure he eats a bunch of Tex-Mex and BBQ. Other than shopping at the Galleria, not much else to do here for German tourists, I mean, flight crews!

Quoting Rara (Reply 28):
I'm told they quite like Houston. Don't really know what they're doing there though.

If they are staying anywhere inside the loop it´s a fantastic city to be in for a few days.

You´ve got the museums, very good gastronomy, and all the shopping. Great places downtown for nightlife. Don´t forget the Rothko Chapel. Kathy Mills for Outlet shopping. I wouldn´t mind.

PanHAM · Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:18 am

Quoting Tdan (Reply 24):
not much else to do here for German tourists, I mean, flight crews!

Galveston is always worth an excuesion. Ellington Field is, with the Zero G B720 as gate aircraft. i had the incredible luck to see the NASA Guppy in Action, including a take -off.

Quoting Rara (Reply 28):
I'm told they quite like Houston. Don't really know what they're doing there though.

Texas Hill Country , just rent a car, drive in the General direction oif Austin, stay overnight there in another Hotel, i mean These guys have the Money. Drive to Luckenback next day and then back to Houston.
Don't forget the boots and the hat.

After all, it's paid vacation.

zeke · Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:23 am

We had 3 LH 747-8is parked at HKG.

SOBHI51 · Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:00 am

Quoting larshjort (Reply 33):
The new crew aren't arriving because they are in Germany striking.

If LH plane is on the ground in Houston, who flew it there? Now you have 2 crews there the one who flew it in and the other who is supposed to fly it back.

Miami · Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:29 am

There is a LH A380 (D-AIMJ) currently parked at MIA in front of the Satellite Terminal (E)

It's been here for over a day now.

sierra3tango · Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:39 am

Was bussed nearish to a LH A340 down the far end of BAH ramp at 09.00 this morning, which didn't look like it
was going anywhere soon

usflyguy · Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:53 am

Quoting Tdan (Reply 24):

Make sure he eats a bunch of Tex-Mex and BBQ. Other than shopping at the Galleria, not much else to do here for German tourists, I mean, flight crews!

Hey now... Houston has a ton of museums (Museum of Fine Arts, Museum of Natural Science, Johnson Space Center, etc), great shopping, great theatres, Astros games, Rockets games, great nightlife. If I remember correctly, LH stays downtown.

smittyone · Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 42):
Hey now... Houston has a ton of museums (Museum of Fine Arts, Museum of Natural Science, Johnson Space Center, etc), great shopping, great theatres, Astros games, Rockets games, great nightlife. If I remember correctly, LH stays downtown.

Besides, if being a pilot for Lufthansa is so arduous that they feel compelled to strike I doubt they could handle the hot sauce.

galleypower · Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:04 pm

The reason for these "strange" parking events is simply space in transit areas at german airports.

All flights left FRA/MUC on tuesday and did not return. They would have arrived in germany on wednesday, after the beginning of the strike. With no connections available, no visa for Germany/Schengen, everybody would have had to camp in the transit area for three+ days. This was to be avoided. The crews were just on a lenghty layover, all paid. First flights back left yesterday, arriving in FRA/MUC on the first day afer the strike with almost the full range of connections available, space permitting. I will go home today, flight left FRA this morning on time and we take it back as usual, just an extended layover. I was lucky not to end up in places like THR or RUH or take your pick.

Agreement is, only flights ex Germany are strikebound, hence the returnflights on day 3 were operating.

Revelation · Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 43):

Besides, if being a pilot for Lufthansa is so arduous that they feel compelled to strike I doubt they could handle the hot sauce.

Some pro-capitalists might think they can handle it because they are already flaming ________!

Who is online

Popular Searches On Airliners.net