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Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:48 pm

Part 1 got a little long, here part 2.

If you want to see part 1 again:

Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1 (by SA7700 Jan 6 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Please stick to the topic. It is only about Airbus and Boeing orders.

Thanks and enjoy.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:03 am

Lufthansa will power its A320neo aircraft with CFM LEAP-1A engines.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...ufthansa-cfm-idUSBREA360J920140407

The A321neo fleet will use the PW1199G.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:39 am

Intrigued to know why the split.

Their ceos are split for engines also, I guess the fleet size is large enough to allow them to take advantage of relatively marginal advantages of frame / engine combination.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:17 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
The A321neo fleet will use the PW1199G.

PW1199G??? Wow, a 99klbf GTF! Seriously, it is the PW1133G, of course.
And there is no fixed split associated to the engines. LH will get one of the first A320neo in late 2015 with the GTF. A320neo with the LEAP1-A will be delivered from 2021 onwards and I would expect these aircraft will be both A320neo and A321neo. Likewise for all aircraft delivered before with the GTF.
I smell a cross-deal with GE9X engines and rights to maintain both engines for third parties here...
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:22 pm

American Airlines changes a portion of its firm orders to options.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...stead-of-finance-new-aircraft.html
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
American Airlines changes a portion of its firm orders to options.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...stead-of-finance-new-aircraft.html

That brings the narrow body megaorder closer to parity, does it not? The way I count it, once all current deliveries are conclude, it'll be 509 A32x and 456 B737s.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:40 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
That brings the narrow body megaorder closer to parity, does it not?

In terms of firm orders, yes.

Based on the 2011 deal with both OEMs, the total for Airbus goes from 130 A320s and 130 A320neos to 130 A320s and 100 A320neos. The Boeing order remains at 100 737NG and 100 737MAX.

Options still strongly favor Airbus, however: 85 A320 options and (now) 310 A320neo options compared to 40 737NG options and 60 737 MAX options.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:46 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Based on the 2011 deal with both OEMs, the total for Airbus goes from 130 A320s and 130 A320neos to 130 A320s and 100 A320neos. The Boeing order remains at 100 737NG and 100 737MAX.

Options still strongly favor Airbus, however: 85 A320 options and (now) 310 A320neo options compared to 40 737NG options and 60 737 MAX options.

I wonder what the impetus here was. Perhaps they're looking ahead to a true 757 successor? Or simply a plethora of frames thanks to the US merger...
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
I wonder what the impetus here was. Perhaps they're looking ahead to a true 757 successor? Or simply a plethora of frames thanks to the US merger...

US does have A321-200s still on order, so that might play a role. That AA is now buying as opposed to leasing half of their initial frames probably plays a role, as well, since that capital expenditures are going to be a fair bit higher. So converting some firm orders to options frees up capital in that timeframe.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
American Airlines changes a portion of its firm orders to options.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...stead-of-finance-new-aircraft.html

Just food for thought...

All of AA's neo's are A321neo's. And they just reduced their firm order by 30.

LH just selected the CFM Leap-1A for 40 out of 100 neo's they have on order. 40 of the 100 orders are for A321neo's.

Perhaps, the 33k lbf GTF engine is not as impressive as some have hoped for?   
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:14 pm

And another conversion: Spirit Airlines alters order from ten A320s to A321s:

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...rbus-order-from-ten-a320s-to-a321s
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:35 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 9):

All of AA's neo's are A321neo's. And they just reduced their firm order by 30.

LH just selected the CFM Leap-1A for 40 out of 100 neo's they have on order. 40 of the 100 orders are for A321neo's.

Perhaps, the 33k lbf GTF engine is not as impressive as some have hoped for?

Lufthansa will receive CFM's from 2021 onwards, but they'll take A321's earlier, so they get a mixed fleet.
Speculations concerning a maintenance-licence for LH Technik are more realistic (including GE9X and the Leaps)

And concerning AA, I think they are trying to get a healthier basis, whats why they prefer purchasing them now, but as they don't have the financial stuff straight they communicated with airbus for some special agreements.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:45 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 9):
Perhaps, the 33k lbf GTF engine is not as impressive as some have hoped for?

Those remaining 30 aircraft were scheduled to be delivered in 2021 and 2022. Moving them to options again means no pre-delivery payments anymore and gives the airline a new basis to negotiate lower purchase prices without losing delivery positions. Other airlines have done this in the past as well.

As AA will now buy instead of lease the remaining aircraft (and probably fly them longer than initially planned), they have a good reason to go after a better price.

Or perhaps the order for 500 aircraft was a bit too ambitious. US Airways also had a large A321 fleet and those jets are now part of the AA fleet.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 9):
Perhaps, the 33k lbf GTF engine is not as impressive as some have hoped for?

If this were true, I guess it'd be a good thing there are two engine options then, as compared to let's say if it was a sole supplier   
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting MaxiAir (Reply 11):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 13):

Gentleman, I only pointed out a possibility... I never claimed it was a fact.

Perhaps, they have better guaranties from CFM than P&W for 2020/21, If you have other facts, please feel free to share them...

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 13):
If this were true, I guess it'd be a good thing there are two engine options then, as compared to let's say if it was a sole supplier

I'm not trying to be a wise ass or anything...

But, It appears CFM will have at least half of the neo and all of the MAX orders. Presently, the CFM has 77% of the firm narrow body engine market (Airbus and Boeing). And it doesn't look like P&W will gain much more by percentage?

I could be wrong...

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:32 am

Quoting mffoda (Reply 14):
But, It appears CFM will have at least half of the neo and all of the MAX orders. Presently, the CFM has 77% of the firm narrow body engine market (Airbus and Boeing). And it doesn't look like P&W will gain much more by percentage?

There are a significant number of neo orders for which no engine choice has been made.

Obviously, CFM will have a significantly higher market share thanks to being the only 'choice' on 737s.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:12 am

There will now be reliable performance information available on the P&W (at least in C series for) but so far the LEAP (as far as I know) has not even run on a test bed - so no reliable figures exist.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:00 pm

No new Boeing orders, or cancellations in today's (4-10-14) update.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:50 pm

Is it me or is this one of slowest first quarters order-wise? A bit more for Airbus than Boeing but both numbers aren't that high.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 18):

I think the closer we get to Farnborough the less you will see orders announced as they are saved for the show.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 18):
Is it me or is this one of slowest first quarters order-wise? A bit more for Airbus than Boeing but both numbers aren't that high.

Both Airbus and Boeing predicted a slow sales year for 2014.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:03 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 19):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

I thought as much..is Farnborough the most likely time for the firming up of those 777X orders from the ME3?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
Both Airbus and Boeing predicted a slow sales year for 2014.

After such enormously successful years the order stream for both OEM's will slow down. If it didn't both OEM's would have significant trouble in fulfilling all those orders. Not to mention the suppliers and the engine OEM's.  
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:09 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 21):

I'd wanna think so. Most likely scenarios :

1) Firming of EK/QR 777x order.
2) Possible Launch of A330 NEO.
3) QR firming of 789 options (30)
4) Delta Airlines WB order
5) Announced NB Neo and MAX orders. (UFO's disclosed)
6) Possible China 200 block order for the A330.
7) Engine maker announcements

Back to topic ...
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:12 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 23):

That's quite a list you ve got there 

I can see a thread for each and every one of your guesses!
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 23):
Delta Airlines WB order

I doubt this would happen quite so soon. Farnborough is three months away and they just now issued the RFP.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 23):
Possible China 200 block order for the A330.

It would be more China's style to time the announcement for a head-of-state visit (either to China by an EU head of state or to France/Germany by Mr. Xi).
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:24 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 25):
I doubt this would happen quite so soon. Farnborough is three months away and they just now issued the RFP.

Indeed. End of the year or early 2015 was said.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:46 pm

April 15 Boeing update 5 new unidentified 737's coupled with 5 737 cancellations.. possibly a swap to the MAX?
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:00 pm

Smells like another swap indeed.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:23 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

Jet Airways upgrades an existing 17 frame order for 738's to the MAX model.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-IRTB-24031
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:29 pm

Jet Airways is rumored to be behind the unidentified 737 Max order of 50 jets last year. Most likely, 17 of them are a conversion. Now Boeing just have to announce it.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 29):
Jet Airways upgrades an existing 17 frame order for 738's to the MAX model.
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 29):
Jet Airways is rumored to be behind the unidentified 737 Max order of 50 jets last year. Most likely, 17 of them are a conversion. Now Boeing just have to announce it.

There are other reports saying 9W cancelled these 17 as PDP is due. Apparently it also deferred 10 x 787s.
http://www.business-standard.com/art...17-boeing-737s-114041500905_1.html

Reuters is reporting it(just the headline) as unconfirmed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/.../india-press-idUSL3N0N814620140416
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:53 pm

Based on the WSJ report, whomever they interviewed denied the cancellation rumor, so it sounds like 9W converted them to 737 MAX to save them having to pay the PDP.So like the 787's, it's effectively a deferral.

[Edited 2014-04-17 11:56:03]
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:05 pm

Probably 9W ordered those 50 737 Max jets, including 17 conversions from their previous 737 NG order. The term "cancellation" is a broad concept: the previous order has been converted, which also means the 737 NG aircraft have been canceled   
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:57 pm

Shandong Airlines has placed a firm order for 50 737 aircraft, including 737NG's and 737 MAX's.

http://atwonline.com/airframes/shand...ines-orders-50-boeing-737-aircraft
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:08 pm

Were these part of the undisclosed orders at year end - or completely new ones?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:09 pm

I don't know yet, we'll have to wait for the announcement from Boeing.
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:56 pm

On Thursday we'll have a better idea but if I were to wager, it'd be part of the cluster of undisclosed orders for China.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:39 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 34):
Shandong Airlines has placed a firm order for 50 737 aircraft, including 737NG's and 737 MAX's.

In the links listed below the article Turkey's SunExpress also orders up to 50 737's.

http://atwonline.com/airlines/turkey...nexpress-orders-50-737-max737-800s
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:27 pm

Quoting travelhound (Reply 38):
In the links listed below the article Turkey's SunExpress also orders up to 50 737's.

Was ordered in February this year and is already listed in the order book as 40x firm + 10 options:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:30 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 34):
Shandong Airlines has placed a firm order for 50 737 aircraft, including 737NG's and 737 MAX's.

Apparently 34 of them are for the 737 Max:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...airlines-signs-for-50-737s-398405/
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:03 pm

Boeing issues a press release about the Shandong Airlines order, it's not firm yet.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=129052
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:36 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Boeing issues a press release about the Shandong Airlines order, it's not firm yet.

Per policy Boeing doesn't post orders from Chinese carriers until CAAC finalizes the paperwork, so that may be the "contingencies" the PR refers to.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 35):
Were these part of the undisclosed orders at year end - or completely new ones?

It appears to be a new order.

http://leehamnews.com/2014/04/23/odd...ior-azul-and-airbus-186-seat-a320/

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Shandong’s 737 order: Early this week, Chinese media announced that Shandong Airlines had ordered 50 737NGs and MAXes. Boeing’s statement the next day acknowledged the news report. With more than 600 737s listed in Boeing’s Unidentified customers, we asked if this was a new order or one from the Unidentifieds–Boeing told us this is new.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:30 am

G'day

http://www.airbus-group.com/dms/airb...te/JP%20Morgan%20A380%20Update.pdf

Here, on page 3 of this presentation from March 14 it says Airbus has twenty customers for its A 380.
Kingfisher is no longer on the list. No surprise there.
Air Austral still is, surprising
But very surprisingly, they list an undisclosed customer.  Wow!

Anyone know who that customer is?

Air China?
Cathay?
Garuda?
Aeroflot?
United?
Turkish?
ANA?   

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:48 am

Hmmm... it might be an order to replace AF1??

    
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:02 am

Aren't these the HongKong Airlines frames moved to UFOs last month?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:11 am

Quoting india1 (Reply 46):
Aren't these the HongKong Airlines frames moved to UFOs last month?

Yes I believe that is the case - lots of speculation on here as to which airline within the sizeable group that HK is part of might be the final destination for these birds - or maybe they'll sell them to EK or a lessor?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:22 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 44):

CX have pretty much replenished their fleet and it seems they're going all twin. 351,359, 77W and the 779.
NH just ordered the 779 and more 789's
SV already have A380's on order
UA has 351's and 351's on order to replace some of their 744 fleet. While not impossible, it's not likely they'd order such a new type of aircraft with no other type in its current fleet.
TK I believe are in the process of wet leasing A380's from another current carrier.
Regarding Guarda,
http://www.ausbt.com.au/why-garuda-g...plans-for-airbus-a380-boeing-747-8

So my guess is Air China.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 2

Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:44 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 44):
Anyone know who that customer is?

That's the HongKong Airlines order. The airline expansion plans are being halted by its parent company. Most likely, another Chinese airline will operate those 10 A380s instead.
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