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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 35):

The longest operated by SkyWest is AUS-SFO, however, the newly started MSP-LAX is just as long.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:08 am

Quoting 175erj (Reply 50):
The longest operated by SkyWest is AUS-SFO, however, the newly started MSP-LAX is just as long.

It's insane to want to operate these with anything less than a E75 from a passenger comfort perspective. These CRJs don't even have ovens, let alone headroom to get up every once in a while.
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 35):

IAH-BFL has got to be up there. Along withthat late departing IAH-ONT after 9pm.

Funny......before the merger we had a huge widebody shortage. Now we have widebodies out the backside.

Now.....not enough mainline narrowbodies.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 52):
IAH-BFL has got to be up there. Along withthat late departing IAH-ONT after 9pm.

Funny......before the merger we had a huge widebody shortage. Now we have widebodies out the backside.

Now.....not enough mainline narrowbodies.

I remember that being a 737 route as an oil industry shuttle.

If there's a wide body surplus, how come they have all but disappeared domestically and there seem to be less of them >LAX</acronym>?

Is the push for Express flying really the result of a narrow body shortage or more a cost calculation to send RJs on such long routes?
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:24 am

Quoting Ua900 (Reply 51):

Trust me, we think it's insane as well. Definitely not comfortable for the passengers. United does not serve meals in its United Express F product, just some nasty cheap snack boxes. They don't even serve drinks in glass, just the same cheap plastic cup everyone else gets. So much for a streamlined product...

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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:15 am

If parties don't want to fly Southwest nor make a connection to save $200 r/t, I'll assert that DL has it priced pretty much right.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 47):
Passengers who are strongly loyal to AA & UA (or at least, the ones who would be loyal enough to suffer a once-daily service instead of DL's ten daily frequencies) are likely already on AA & UA planes via SFO/DEN/IAH/DFW/ORD/PHX.

Agreed. If I was really loyal to an airline, and the only non-stop of the day did not suite me, then I'd go for a one-stop before changing carriers to get the non-stop. However, if the non-stop worked out cheaper I would consider the benefit of saving time and money v. flying my airline and getting miles. Something always has to give...
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:48 pm

Quoting 175erj (Reply 50):
The longest operated by SkyWest is AUS-SFO, however, the newly started MSP-LAX is just as long.

IAH-YUL is the longest UAX flight. It's about 50 miles longer than the LAX-MSP flight.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:07 pm

I went onto Orbitz and the only two non-stops are DL and FL (not yet as WN...) was only a redeye. $1,100 on DL or $610 on FL as others have reported.

You'll have to do connections (e.g., DEN) for daily frequency. Heck, plenty of cheap connections on AA.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 57):
If parties don't want to fly Southwest nor make a connection to save $200 r/t, I'll assert that DL has it priced pretty much right.

   Seriously, there are enough connections that those who care about price have plenty of options.


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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
There is no way southwest is charging anywhere close to that.

Yes they are. They charge around $900 for nonstop service. IMO I would pay the extra to go on DL instead of having to deal with WN and its circus of values.
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:20 pm

If your company only gets ~10 days' notice, then it's not the airline's fault the prices are high. I know that some business situations don't give a lot of notice, but if the company's going to buy tickets at such short notice, then they have to expect higher fares (unless you want to connect, and even then the fare will be higher than if booked longer in advance).
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:29 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 58):
I went onto Orbitz and the only two non-stops are DL and FL (not yet as WN...) was only a redeye.

Once it's all-WN, you won't see it on Orbitz...

Quoting brilondon (Reply 59):
IMO I would pay the extra to go on DL instead of having to deal with WN and its circus of values.

"Circus of values?" You mean two free checked bags that DL won't give you? The scrum at the gate for boarding an average DL flight is no better than for WN, especially when there are 90 passengers in the Sky zone hoping to score overhead bin space.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:16 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 61):
won't give you?

Won't give you? Might want to check with those Amex cardholders.....they may dispute what you say.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 61):
The scrum at the gate for boarding an average DL flight is no better than for WN, especially when there are 90 passengers in the Sky zone hoping to score overhead bin space.

Yeah, that rush for first class seats on WN can be rough.............  
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:54 am

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
I've been traveling back and forth between LAX and ATL for work lately, and I would like to take this moment to petition UA or AA to start a non-stop LAX-ATL flight.

Your company seems pretty lucky actually. WN/FL keeps fares lower than some others face. Nonstops on DL on the shorter MSP-LAX/SFO for this week are more expensive than ATL-LAX, and that's with some legacy plus LCC competition.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 59):
Yes they are. They charge around $900 for nonstop service. IMO I would pay the extra to go on DL instead of having to deal with WN and its circus of values.

Whatever you like best I guess. From my perspective, WN clearly gives you more for much less in economy, and that's especially true with close-in bookings. You don't have to be an elite with seats available to get one of the best seats on the plane and free bags. You might also get a superior onboard product, plus the service is probably going to be better. Gotta go with the more expensive first class for me to choose DL in this scenario.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:14 am

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 3):
That said, you could always connect on AA in DFW. It's not really that far out of the way.

When I lived in ATL I would take AA via DFW, but liked going via BNA better even with the Saab at the end.

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
It's absolutely ridiculous neither has at least a 1x daily flight to ATL

Both carriers have flown this route in the past, it has not worked. Maybe in todays market with new 738s, it mat be a different outcome. I think as AA grows LAX into their Pacific gateway, ATL would be a good choice for an add to LAX.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 29):
Well back in the 70's and 80's UA flew HSV-LAX and ATL-BHM-LAX, so clearly they just need to get the Alabama market tied into the mix.

Those routes were when the CAB ran the show, and yes UA was the one flying them.

This is a route map from 1972 - http://www.departedflights.com/UA060172.html

In 1981, it looks like both MEM & BHM had non-stops to LAX on UA - http://www.departedflights.com/LAX81p1.html

In 1983, it looks like flights were routed HSV via MEM to LAX on a 727 - http://www.departedflights.com/LAXp2.html

In 1972 UA flew to BHM & HSV with a tag to TYS, but not ATL - http://www.departedflights.com/UA060172p21.html

In 1976, same thing, I did notice a n/s to MKE and a D10 to LAS - http://www.departedflights.com/UA060172p21.html

In 1982, everything went thru MEM - http://www.departedflights.com/UA060172p21.html
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:37 am

I can see it happening from the UA side of things. But! While the 757's are leaving and the 737-900ER's are coming In the door the transition has to probably limited what and when we can do new routes like this as we haven't been flying ATL-LAX, and have only recently returned to SFO-ATL after too long out of the merket. SFO and LAX to DTW is probably not out of the question but DTW was never that big for us in the 30 years I've been with United and was always flown 1 stop from the west coast Via ORD or DEN (by S-ua) Will it be looked at NOW?? Anybody's guess....
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:30 pm

Delta's prices from SAN-ATL are similarly outrageous depending on when you fly. I think it's flyway robbery.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 61):
Once it's all-WN, you won't see it on Orbitz...

Then I will have to remember to check another comparison site...

Marketing is eyeballs and why I like WN, I usually check Orbitz and another site for fares. Since the one stops are *that* much cheaper, the DL fare would be avoided due to corporate rules anyway...

Quoting brilondon (Reply 59):
IMO I would pay the extra to go on DL instead of having to deal with WN and its circus of values.

Please explain. I rather like WN (I prefer AA and B6... but to each their own). WN's check in at LAX is *much* faster than DL's. Not to mention one can go to T2, cut through TSA in seconds and hop the bus back over to T1... Since I'm not double platinum medallion... DL doesn't provide much value. Where is the added $500 of value coming from vs. a connection? I value my time... But its not worth that much...

If it were your money, what is worth $500? (Heck, play the business owner.)

Quoting mayor (Reply 62):
Yeah, that rush for first class seats on WN can be rough.............

I've only twice made it up into first, so when someone else pays, that is *very* low on my radar. Flight times are far more critical.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 60):

If your company only gets ~10 days' notice, then it's not the airline's fault the prices are hig

I've spent years of my life where *every* flight was less than 10 days notice... sigh...

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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 64):
In 1982, everything went thru MEM

I won't go into details, as it's way off topic, but back then UA operated a scissor hub at MEM from the Southeast to large West Coast destinations.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 62):
Won't give you? Might want to check with those Amex cardholders.....they may dispute what you say.

The Amex cards with a complimentary checked bag don't come for free, either, at least, not after the first year.

Quoting mayor (Reply 62):
Yeah, that rush for first class seats on WN can be rough.

Good luck getting a first class seat on DL for under $1100 round-trip on the non-stops -- and that's with two weeks' notice. Maybe you'll get upgraded if you're a Diamond on one of the $1000+ economy fares. And that gets you a bigger seat, a $20 meal, and $10 worth of alcohol.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 69):
The Amex cards with a complimentary checked bag don't come for free, either, at least, not after the first year.

Customers use the card for more than just tickets on DL, though.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 69):
And that gets you a bigger seat, a $20 meal, and $10 worth of alcohol.

What did you expect, an 8 course meal?  
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 21):

Cue NK to enter LAX-ATL.

Would make zero sense for their model.
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:58 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 67):
WN's check in at LAX is *much* faster than DL's. Not to mention one can go to T2, cut through TSA in seconds and hop the bus back over to T1...

You can transfer from T2 to T1 post security at LAX???
Did not know that.
 
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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 69):
Good luck getting a first class seat on DL for under $1100 round-trip on the non-stops -- and that's with two weeks' notice.

ITA Matrix search is a wonderful thing. I wouldn't plan travel without starting there first.

DL has ATL-LAX-ATL non-stops confirmed in First or Business ('continuing international flight numbers) from $920 without an advanced purchase requirement. That Q-UP may not be available every day or every flight but Matrix can find it.


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RE: Dear UA Or AA: Please Start LAX-ATL

Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:12 am

Quoting iahworldflyer (Reply 68):
I won't go into details, as it's way off topic, but back then UA operated a scissor hub at MEM from the Southeast to large West Coast destinations

That makes sense given the research I did, the route maps indicate what you are saying.
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