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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:43 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 49):
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 48):

You are both right actually....

UAL Corporation acquired CO back in May of 2010 and enacted a name change to United-Continental Holdings

While the original plan was to fold CO into United Air Lines Inc. for various reasons it was beneficial to the company to do the opposite and fold UA into CO.

Continental Airlines enacted a name change to United Airlines and is the surviving corporation however it is a subsidiary of United Continental Holdings (aka UAL Corporation.)

....and that will never change.  

That is what that SEC filing says....however why are we discussing this on a thread about 737 #8000?

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 41):
Quoting DualQual (Reply 23):
I'm guessing 51 will be around from NW over there too.

And nothing pleases me more than flying on a Delta 747-451 and 757-351. Thank you, NW

I had the pleasure of flying in N105UA the other day...bonus points if you can tell me what the customer code is on that aircraft.  
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 46):

But that doesn't make sense, the sCO aircraft are now operated under the same cert as sUA aircraft, and all aircraft are now registered to United Airlines, Inc, regardless of what it was in the past. There's no longer any differentiation to be made, so why the sticker?

Heres a 787 reg: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=45905
Here's an sCO 738 reg: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=33209
Here's an sUA 772 reg: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=775UA

All the same registered owner.

Here's the FAA cert: http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DS...OPER_NAME=CONTINENTAL+AIRLINES+INC

All UA aircraft are on it. No difference.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 49):
This discussion is over.

Misinformed. Incorrect. Discussion is pointless when the SEC filing says otherwise, there is nothing that says United was the surviving corporation, but it does say Continental is and was. It just changed it's name.


Quoting United1 (Reply 50):
While the original plan was to fold CO into United Air Lines Inc. for various reasons it was beneficial to the company to do the opposite and fold UA into CO.
Quoting United1 (Reply 50):
Continental Airlines enacted a name change to United Airlines and is the surviving corporation however it is a subsidiary of United Continental Holdings (aka UAL Corporation.)

Yes, but "Continental continuing as the surviving corporation of the Merger and as a wholly-owned subsidiary of UAL. Upon the closing of the Merger on March 31, 2013, Continental's name was changed to "United Airlines, Inc." (the "Survivor"). "

Quoting United1 (Reply 50):
....and that will never change.

Done deal. New United.   

Quoting United1 (Reply 50):
That is what that SEC filing says....however why are we discussing this on a thread about 737 #8000?

Some misinformed folks do not want to believe to this day that the merger happened and what transpired. Then the misinformation is posted as fact when everything reads it is not so. The misinformation needs to be corrected on a site like this.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 51):
But that doesn't make sense, the sCO aircraft are now operated under the same cert as sUA aircraft, and all aircraft are now registered to United Airlines, Inc, regardless of what it was in the past. There's no longer any differentiation to be made, so why the sticker?

Might have something to do with the Airworthiness Certificates or legal ramifacations have not been completely settled yet. Could be just haven't gotten around to it yet. It takes a lot to make these changes to the aircraft. Even decals.
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:14 pm

8000 737's. Wow, that's an absolutely mind-blowing amount. I'm really glad Boeing was able to reach this great milestone. Now lets hope they'll be able to reach 10,000. 
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:20 pm

Quoting gocackletta (Reply 53):
8000 737's. Wow, that's an absolutely mind-blowing amount. I'm really glad Boeing was able to reach this great milestone. Now lets hope they'll be able to reach 10,000.

Well as of now has enough orders to build up to a little less than 12,000 737s, so building 10,000 shouldn't be an issue.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:06 pm

They might even get to 10,000 not counting the 737 MAX production.
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:07 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 52):

Yes, but "Continental continuing as the surviving corporation of the Merger and as a wholly-owned subsidiary of UAL. Upon the closing of the Merger on March 31, 2013, Continental's name was changed to "United Airlines, Inc." (the "Survivor"). "
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 52):
Some misinformed folks do not want to believe to this day that the merger happened and what transpired. Then the misinformation is posted as fact when everything reads it is not so. The misinformation needs to be corrected on a site like this.

Yes, the misinformation from you where you continue to disregard the fact that CO the corporation was bought by United and still remains a subsidiary owned and controlled by what is essentially still...UAL Corp, where the majority of the shareholders are legacy UAL. Let it sink in. United Airlines is and always has been a great company, welcome aboard the Friendly Skies.

Congrats to Boeing on 8000 737s. I haven't liked the 737 since the classics went out of production and I think the plane has drifted so far away from its original mission and it's a shame, but sales don't lie.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 55):

They likely will, it will probably stil be in production for another 10 years.

[Edited 2014-04-13 14:08:18]

[Edited 2014-04-13 14:09:02]
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting gocackletta (Reply 53):
8000 737's. Wow, that's an absolutely mind-blowing amount. I'm really glad Boeing was able to reach this great milestone. Now lets hope they'll be able to reach 10,000.
Quoting Polot (Reply 54):
Well as of now has enough orders to build up to a little less than 12,000 737s, so building 10,000 shouldn't be an issue.
Quoting bigbird (Reply 55):
They might even get to 10,000 not counting the 737 MAX production.

United Airlines made the 737 orders surpass the 10,000 mark. Fitting, since United Airlines was a subsidiary of Boeing. Some nice tidbits.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/737family/facts.page

"737 '10,000' Facts

The 737 became the first-ever commercial jet airplane to surpass the 10,000 orders milestone in July 2012 when United Airlines ordered 100 737 MAX 9s and 50 Next-Generation 737-900ERs (Extended Range).
10,000 737s stacked on top of one another would be approximately 406,000 feet or 77 miles (124 kilometers) high, and is equivalent to:
149 Burj Khalifa in Dubai, the tallest building in the world, stacked on top of one another.
274 Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia,
382 Eiffel Towers, Paris,
280 Empire State Buildings, New York City,
10,000 737s at any one time would carry approximately 1,500,000 passengers.

On average, there are approximately 600,000 total parts on a Next-Generation 737 airplane.

737 Family

Overall, the entire 737 family is the best-selling commercial jetliner in history, with orders for more than 11,150 airplanes through August 2013 from 265 customers. More than 7,700 737s have been delivered. "
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:34 pm

This is interesting. I know that WN received the 5000th 737. There is a banner in the hangar that denotes the 5000th fuselage and it is dated. Sept. 11 2001. It is always a little spooky to me. I would bet there are some pics. of this banner on the net, I am just going to sleep soon so no searching.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 50):
I had the pleasure of flying in N105UA the other day...bonus points if you can tell me what the customer code is on that aircraft

747-451 (and I did not even have to look it up).
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:14 pm

Quoting justplanesmart (Reply 59):

And the other 747-451 UA had, N106UA, as of a picture just uploaded yesterday, seems to have gone to the scrapper in MZJ.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 60):

Quoting justplanesmart (Reply 59):

And the other 747-451 UA had, N106UA, as of a picture just uploaded yesterday, seems to have gone to the scrapper in MZJ.

Sorry to hear that it was scrapped #106 was a lease return during CH11....I believe it went to Blue Airways for Mahan Air Iran.... EK-74774

Neither of those aircraft were ever delivered to NW both were purchased directly from Boeing by UA in 1994 as NW could not afford them. Boeing did such a through job of converting them to UA standards that supposedly the only way you could tell was that the jump seats in the flight decks were a different color....well that and looking at the airworthiness certificate.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 52):
The misinformation needs to be corrected on a site like this.

Indeed and misinformation should be corrected however I am a little concerned that you may not completely understand what you are posting regarding that SEC filling.

That may actually be due to you being used to how CO was set up pre merger....

CO was set up as a corporation with subsidiaries and when you went to the stock exchange you actually bought stock in CO the airline.

United Air Lines was set up as a subsidiary of UAL corporation and when you went to the stock exchange you actually bought stock in UAL corporation....not the airline.

In this case UAL (now known as United Continental Holdings) ended up issuing stock to acquire CO and operated it up until 2013 as a subsidiary of UCH alongside of United Air Lines. In 2013 United Air Lines was merged into CO (now known as United Airlines.) United Airlines is still a subsidiary of UCH...ie there is a still a parent company unlike the way that CO was originally structured....when you go to the stock exchange you are buying stock in UCH not in the airline itself.

I am more than happy to talk to you about this further on IM if you have any questions.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 57):
"737 '10,000' Facts

Something to add to the list of facts...

UA/CO have ordered a total of 714 737s directly from Boeing over the years and operated dozens more from the second hand market...somewhere around 850 of the worlds 737s were operated by or will be operated by the company.

[Edited 2014-04-13 18:41:49]
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:32 am

United1, first thank you for clarifying this corporate Mumbo jumbo.

As for 105-106UA, another way to tell them from the 422s is the wings had dark paint on them. The 422s do not. I don't know if UA wanted it this way to tell them apart or that it wasn't worth changing. You are correct though that they are essentially built to UA standards.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:26 am

Just wild to see how far the FLUFF has come. comparing it to the 727 or 757, one would think one of those aircraft would have been the one seeing continuing stretches and growth.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/aliner/b737-100/b737-100-5.jpg

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/071/0/9/fs2004___boeing_737_200_meet_boeing_737_max__by_b737theairliner-d4sidl9.jpg

The FLUFF may just outlive the BUFF.

Quoting United1 (Reply 61):
Indeed and misinformation should be corrected however I am a little concerned that you may not completely understand what you are posting regarding that SEC filling.

Worried you might be reading something into the events that just is not there. United Airlines Corporation, was done away with on 2013 March 31st. Continental Airlines then changed it's named to United Airlines Inc. Even United stock was done away with and Continental stock retained.

"Effective March 31, 2013, pursuant to the Merger Agreement, United merged with and into Continental, with Continental continuing as the surviving corporation of the Merger and changing its name to "United Airlines, Inc." In accordance with the Merger Agreement, at the effective time of the Merger, each outstanding share of United common stock immediately prior to the Merger was cancelled and retired and no consideration was delivered in exchange therefor. Each outstanding share of Continental common stock immediately prior to the Merger remained outstanding and was unaffected by the Merger. "
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../000119312513140583/d514659d8k.htm

United Continental Holdings Inc. never was United Airlines Inc., it was only United Corporation a parent company, different animal. The surviving airline and corporation is not United Airlines, but Continental Airlines.

" Continental in effect immediately prior to the effective time of the Merger: (i) changes the name of Continental to “United Airlines, Inc"
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../000119312513140583/d514659d8k.htm
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:06 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 56):
CO the corporation was bought by United and still remains a subsidiary owned and controlled by what is essentially still...UAL Corp

Except it's not.

Quoting United1 (Reply 61):
In 2013 United Air Lines was merged into CO (now known as United Airlines.)

In other words, UA merged into CO. CO was the surviving carrier, and subsequently changed its name.
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:22 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 61):
Neither of those aircraft were ever delivered to NW both were purchased directly from Boeing by UA in 1994 as NW could not afford them. Boeing did such a through job of converting them to UA standards that supposedly the only way you could tell was that the jump seats in the flight decks were a different color....well that and looking at the airworthiness certificate.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 52):

The 747-451'a carried an extra Adiru that the 422's did not and in the Glare shield in the corner there was an extra switch for Adiru switching to the Capt or the FO's instrument. (Pretty neat) There were very dlight differences in the cabin sidewalls in that you could Not interchance a -451 and a -422 sidewall. Also the covering in the Lavatories sis not match any other than the -451.
The rest of it? Too small to notice N105UA and N106UA
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 63):
United Airlines Corporation, was done away with on 2013 March 31st. Continental Airlines then changed it's named to United Airlines Inc. Even United stock was done away with and Continental stock retained.

In this case common stock is referring to how the holding company (UCH) owns its individual subsidiaries. There are somewhere between 100-1000 shares of United Airlines that can not be purchased on the open market and are not traded they are simply held by the holding company. I am sure that they did simply cancel out the old United Air Lines stock when they merged it into United Airlines....there is no point in paying yourself.

However stock in United Continental Holdings, the parent company of United Airlines inc and of Continental (now simply United Airlines) remains in place and is traded.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 64):

Quoting UA444 (Reply 56):
CO the corporation was bought by United and still remains a subsidiary owned and controlled by what is essentially still...UAL Corp

Except it's not.

....yes it is.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 65):
Adiru

What is an Adiru...

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 63):
United Continental Holdings Inc. never was United Airlines Inc., it was only United Corporation a parent company, different animal. The surviving airline and corporation is not United Airlines, but Continental Airlines.

I never said that UAL Corporation was an airline I said it was, and continues to be the holding corporation for United Airlines......

United Airlines (formerly Continental Airlines) is a subsidiary of United Continental Holdings (formerly UAL Corporation.) That is exactly what all of those SEC filings you posted say.
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:14 pm

"It was announced on May 3, 2010 that UAL Corporation and Continental Airlines, Inc. would pursue a merger pending government approval. UAL Corporation would acquire Continental Airlines, Inc. and change its name to United Continental Holdings, Inc. (UCH). On October 1, 2010, UCH, formerly UAL Corporation, announced completion of the merger"

And I mean, nevermind the fact that in their own press releases, UCH refers to themselves as formerly "UAL Corporation", because they legally are....
http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1478014&highlight=

After September 30, 2010, Continental Airlines ceased being independent and their outstanding shares BOUGHT out by UAL Corp and replaced with stock with the new name "United Continental Holdings". That happened. Get over it.

[Edited 2014-04-14 07:18:25]
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:48 pm

Maybe they could widen the 717 fuselage and resurrect the 717 as a 737. The 737 still has a long life ahead of it.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00015572.jpg

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00014278.jpg
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RE: 737 #8000

Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:01 pm

Or maybe, someday, the little FLUFF will be all grown up.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00000835.jpg
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RE: 737 #8000

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:10 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 69):
FLUFF

I am almost afraid to ask what FLUFF means....I have heard 737s referred to as guppies but never fluffies  

And sorry but a 4 engine 737 is just WRONG!!!!
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RE: 737 #8000

Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:35 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 66):
What is an Adiru

Air data inertial reference unit. It is the black box that provides all of the info. related to speed, heading, altitude, position, etc.. It is not the only input but it is the brain of the aircrafts navigation systems. It controls most of the info. that the pilots see. Altitude, speed, position in space. The heart of the avionics systems on most modern aircraft. Normally if there is a failure with ADIRU the flight will return to the gate or even do an air turn back. There are two but a lot of Captains want them both working.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 70):
And sorry but a 4 engine 737 is just WRONG!!!!

I would call that an NG707. In that case Boeing would resurrect the 707.
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RE: 737 #8000

Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:18 pm

It's done. Boeing issued a press release about the 8000th 737 delivery:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-04-16-Boeing-Delivers-8-000th-737

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RE: 737 #8000

Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):

When is its first revenue flight?
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RE: 737 #8000

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 70):

FLUF = Fat Little Ugly F***er.

CALTECH please, its ugly enough in present form...
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:41 pm

Quoting justplanesmart (Reply 59):
747-451 (and I did not even have to look it up).

A few years back I flew on a GOL 737-300 and on the certificate it said it was a 737-322.
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RE: 737 #8000

Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:28 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 76):
Quoting justplanesmart (Reply 59):
747-451 (and I did not even have to look it up).

A few years back I flew on a GOL 737-300 and on the certificate it said it was a 737-322.

GOL had 14 ex-UA 733s according to Airfleets.net.
 
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RE: 737 #8000

Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 65):

Quoting United1 (Reply 61):
Neither of those aircraft were ever delivered to NW both were purchased directly from Boeing by UA in 1994 as NW could not afford them. Boeing did such a through job of converting them to UA standards that supposedly the only way you could tell was that the jump seats in the flight decks were a different color....well that and looking at the airworthiness certificate.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 52):

The 747-451'a carried an extra Adiru that the 422's did not and in the Glare shield in the corner there was an extra switch for Adiru switching to the Capt or the FO's instrument. (Pretty neat) There were very dlight differences in the cabin sidewalls in that you could Not interchance a -451 and a -422 sidewall. Also the covering in the Lavatories sis not match any other than the -451.
The rest of it? Too small to notice N105UA and N106UA

There was quite a spat between Boeing and Northwest going on as Northwest was not making payments due to Boeing during production and Boeing wanted to install the aft center galley before they completed joining the fuselages while in production. Northwest failed to comply and the aircraft went to United. N106UA has been sold by UAL and now is headed to the scrapper, while N105UA is still flying for United. If Northwest had taken delivery of both of them, they would now be flying for Delta Air Lines.   
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RE: 737 #8000

Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:22 pm

And now... in the DB:


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RE: 737 #8000

Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting natflyer (Reply 75):
CALTECH please, its ugly enough in present form...

As a diehard 737 fan, I'm greatly displeased with this statement   

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
It's done. Boeing issued a press release about the 8000th 737 delivery:

Looks really nice!
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RE: 737 #8000

Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 70):
I am almost afraid to ask what FLUFF means....I have heard 737s referred to as guppies but never fluffies

BUFF stood for Big Ugly Fat F*****. FLUFF stands for Funny Little/Looking Ugly Fat F*****.

Quoting United1 (Reply 70):
And sorry but a 4 engine 737 is just WRONG!!!!

Naw, just brings back the memory of the 707s cruising across the sky. Kinda like a cross between a MD-80 Sewer Tube and 4-holer 707. Just love that bird nose on the 707,720,727 and 737.

And United also will have it's 100th -900ER in service soon.
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