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Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:47 pm

I was wondering what the status is of the new terminal that is being built in JED, anyone have any info?

Will it only replace the regular passenger terminal or also the Hadj terminal?
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:53 pm

The terminal is under construction. It's scheduled to be finished end of the year, with operations to start by the end of 1H15. However I think that's a challenging deadline, there's still a lot to do as can be seen by these photos from the airport's website (taken within the last month):


http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0957.jpg

http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0984.jpg

http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0973.jpg

http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0994.jpg


Once completed the terminal will replace the current north and south terminals. Hajj terminal will stay on (it's a separate concession with it's own operator)

The south terminal will be demolished and that whole area will be turned into an integrated cargo village. North terminal turns into GA
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:01 am

Thanks for the pics and info. It strikes me as odd that they placed some airbridges already when most of the tarmac around them isn't done yet.
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:20 am

I guess with the time constraint they want to fit the bridges as soon as the paving in the immediate area is done rather than wait for the whole ramp to be finished and then start.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:42 am

Quoting dalca (Reply 2):
Thanks for the pics and info. It strikes me as odd that they placed some airbridges already when most of the tarmac around them isn't done yet.

I was about to question it too. As already quoted probably due to the tight timeline they have fitted the air bridges.

Find below images sourced from another discussion thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkI_YHKIEAAZC5a.jpg:large
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1024.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0473.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0479.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1025.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1016.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1020.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1022.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1065.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1073.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1067.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1068.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1069.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1072.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1043.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1044.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1045.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1046.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1059.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1060.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1061.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1062.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0962.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0963.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0964.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0965.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0966.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0967.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_1004.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0970.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0971.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0984.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0988.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0422.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0972.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0973.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0957.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0955.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0994.jpg
http://www.jed-airport.com/masterplan/images/img_0956.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=112857356#post112857356

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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:11 am

Did they just obtain the blueprints of PEK T3 and build from those? Impressive terminal nonetheless.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:15 am

Looks absolutely massive!! What sort of passenger capacities will it have once completed?
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:42 am

Its the same shape more or less as lots of other new terminals, including the new Doha airport and HKG. I think airport designers have come to the conclusion that this shape makes the best use of space maximizing gates and minimizing surface area. I think its a default go to shape for most new terminals.
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:01 am

Why can't they build something like this in US?
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:06 am

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 8):
Why can't they build something like this in US?

Same reason they don't build something like this in Australia...         

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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:47 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):

Also it's cheaper to build in the Middle east because of exploitation of workers from the sub continent.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:51 am

What are those greenhouses for?

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 8):
Why can't they build something like this in US?

As much as those countries so often build "trophy" buildings, this new terminal is absolutely necessary.

The current two terminals (North and South, which are not linked to each other btw) have been way over capacity for years and their facilities resemble more those of a 3rd world country provincial airport (they are pretty much shameful). Also the number of passengers at JED has been growing steadily, if only for the religious tourism (even if there is a Hajj dedicated terminal for charters, a lot of pilgrims use commercial flights). The new terminal will also have a train station to link it to Makkah and Madinah. That should improve the traffic conditions around the airport (extremely congested), comfort and safety for those pilgrims.

In addition, if Saudia wants to play the "connection game" (even if they don't try to emulate QR or EK), they currently lack the adequate infrastructure. The current layout is not made for connections at all. RUH is a "nicer" and cleaner airport but it is not built for that purpose either.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:35 am

Quoting wzafar (Reply 10):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):

Also it's cheaper to build in the Middle east because of exploitation of workers from the sub continent.

You hit the nail in the head!

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 11):
What are those greenhouses for?

I believe the greenhouse is growing plants for the landscaping.

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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:06 am

Quoting wzafar (Reply 10):
Also it's cheaper to build in the Middle east because of exploitation of workers from the sub continent.

Strange, looking at the lines of people trying to get a work visa in the ME.
Maybe if your country can provide proper jobs to them, this problem would not exist.
BTW, new laws in KSA limit working hours, 2 days off a week, direct salary deposit plus a lot of laws to protect those (exploited) workers, including health insurance.
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:27 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):

Valid point but it wasn't the case in the beginning I must add. (In the case of DXB at least)

Neverless it's an awesome piece of infrastructure and can't wait to see the completed terminal.  

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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:33 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 14):
Valid point but it wasn't the case in the beginning I must add

Agree, but it's always great when a country takes huge steps to insure the welfare of it's workers, to the dismay of some companies i might add.
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:37 am

Quoting wzafar (Reply 6):
Looks absolutely massive!! What sort of passenger capacities will it have once completed?

30 million for phase 1, although a lot of infrastructure is sized for the ultimate buildout of 80 million. They're going to start building phase 2 (43m) as soon as this is finished as already the current terminals have gone past 25m mark.

Quoting wzafar (Reply 10):
it's cheaper to build in the Middle east because of exploitation of workers from the sub continent.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
You hit the nail in the head!

You'd be surprised. Phase 1 is costing US$7.2 billion. Contracting costs in Saudi are significantly more expensive than say the APAC region, and labour is a major component. I don't have the numbers any more but AFAIR labour costs in Saudi are in the order of 2x that of eastern china. Skilled labour is even more expensive. It is definitely a constraint, not an advantage.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:42 pm

Although air travel is growing at exponential rates in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa, I have to wonder how many more of these super terminals the region can really support. These airport operators need to look at Europe and the United States to see what happens to airports when travel plateaus. They also need to begin to anticipate some of the Middle Eastern carriers are going to merge, start code shares, and join alliances, which will change passenger movements as well. Otherwise some of these beautifully built terminals will be in the same boat as the practically new terminals in CLE, CIN, or CQM.

As far as the architecture goes, it is pretty, but give me the functionality of a mid-field airport any day. Especially if I am transferring.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting homer787 (Reply 17):
Although air travel is growing at exponential rates in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa, I have to wonder how many more of these super terminals the region can really support. These airport operators need to look at Europe and the United States to see what happens to airports when travel plateaus. They also need to begin to anticipate some of the Middle Eastern carriers are going to merge, start code shares, and join alliances, which will change passenger movements as well. Otherwise some of these beautifully built terminals will be in the same boat as the practically new terminals in CLE, CIN, or CQM.

The fundamentals of JED are sound.

The traffic is already there (the new terminal will be near capacity on opening!), it is the main hub of an airline (SV) and has stable O&D demand creators (Large population catchment that travels, strong business sector, religious tourism etc..).

SV isn't going anywhere. It is the second largest airline in the region and has the largest domestic market to leverage. It has already rationalised its business, joined an alliance (for whatever that does) and is now expanding.

It's hardly a speculative expansion.

Quoting homer787 (Reply 17):
As far as the architecture goes, it is pretty, but give me the functionality of a mid-field airport any day. Especially if I am transferring.

Huh? It IS a midfield terminal. In fact for transferring the layout of JED is very efficient, particularly international-international

http://www.jed-airport.com/images/masterplan.jpg
Note: this render is slightly out of date, in the final design the railway station is longitudinal to the terminal

The left "V" has the international gates, the right "V" domestic. The middle strip are swing gates that can be switched to either depending on demand. A people mover links the international hub (base of V) to the domestic area and landside.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:14 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):

you are correct. If their home countries could provide adequate jobs, sure they would not leave.

As for the ones standing in lines to get a visa, well good luck to them. Let's hope their passports aren't confiscated and they are allowed freedom of travel if they do not like it there and wish to come back.

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 16):

Impressive numbers.

I do sincerely hope the conditions there keep improving. My initial comment was about cost of labour relative to Australia/USA (why don't they build it there?).
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:51 pm

Quoting wzafar (Reply 19):
My initial comment was about cost of labour relative to Australia/USA (why don't they build it there?).

I don't agree with the notion that things aren't being built over there.

IMO the states has a good record on airport infrastructure. The major hubs have continually invested in terminals and runways. Sure, they tend to be piecemeal in character but that is down to lack of "common use terminals" making developing a coherent master plan difficult as much as anything.

When it comes to instances where the investment isn't happening (like a second/replacement airport for Sydney), it's down to a lack of political will more than anything. If Aus fed gov / NSW can agree on anything the project can move forward. It's not down to lack of affordability.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:46 am

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 20):
It's not down to lack of affordability.

Let's agree to disagree on that one then. Taxpayer money is not unlimited.
 
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RE: Status Of The New JED Terminal

Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:07 am

Its also about how much extra value would be added.

In the case of the Gulf Countries their existing airports are significantly out of date and new airports really would add a lot of extra value

In Developed nations, you simply cannot get the same value from infrastructure projects that you can in developing nations because the developed nations have already matured and things are already in place.

In the Developed world your looking at adding one new runway, or one new terminal to an already decent facility. In the case of developing nations your looking at building a 10 lane highway where before there was a broken down one lane death trap. For this reason its a lot easier to see a need in the developed world without much debate about it, while in the developed world people are still skeptical and can show reasons why projects really wouldn't be worthwhile.
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