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Royal Travel Question

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:17 pm

Next month, Prince William, Kate, Prince Harry, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenia are reportedly coming to MEM to attend a friend's wedding. For those MEM spotters, what can they expect? A chartered BA aircraft or not? Basically, how does the British royal family travel out of the country on non-state visits?
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting TheGov (Thread starter):
Next month, Prince William, Kate, Prince Harry, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenia are reportedly coming to MEM to attend a friend's wedding. For those MEM spotters, what can they expect? A chartered BA aircraft or not? Basically, how does the British royal family travel out of the country on non-state visits?

If its an entirely private visit the Royals may hire a private jet at their own expense subject to security considerations.

Lessor Royals may also simply travel commercially - they have little in the way of security other than a Met Policeman !

The UK tax payers are rather parsimonious when it comes to these sort of expenses.
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:45 pm

Quoting TheGov (Thread starter):
Next month, Prince William, Kate, Prince Harry, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenia are reportedly coming to MEM to attend a friend's wedding. F

If it's a private visit by the younger members they travel by commercial airlines, and sometimes LCC's.

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p.../08/royals-on-discounters/413579/1

"Prince Harry dinged for bag fees on easyJet"

About three years ago, Beatrice flew Frontier LGA-DEN to get to Aspen, party of four including police protection officer.

Before George came along, William and Harry were not usually allowed to be on the same flights. The Queen had to give special permission for William and George to be on the same flight to NZ/Oz.

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Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:17 pm

The late Princess Margaret was known to fly commercial airlines to get to her holiday home in Mustique - though I believe she put a head scarf over her tiara so she wouldn't be recognised...  
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:25 pm

If this is a high end wedding that have folks with deep pockets. it wouldn't surprise me to see someone sending a personal jet. Can you imagine the two of them, the baby, the nanny, the body guards, schepping thru JFK for a connecting flight. Not going to happen. BTW...How did they get to NZ and on????? Royal flight aircraft? as this visit is official.
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 4):
If this is a high end wedding that have folks with deep pockets. it wouldn't surprise me to see someone sending a personal jet. Can you imagine the two of them, the baby, the nanny, the body guards, schepping thru JFK for a connecting flight. Not going to happen. BTW...How did they get to NZ and on????? Royal flight aircraft? as this visit is official.

It's happened before. William and Kate schlepped through BNE on their way home from the Far East tour, and they schlepped through SYD - with baby - to get from their Qantas flight to the RNZAF 757. There are photos of 'em, with William carrying their cabin bags and baby George's kangaroo back pack - which sold out world wide in hours.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty...e-middleton-george-sydney-airport/

http://au.eonline.com/news/529122/pr...garoo-backpack-is-already-sold-out

"Prince George's Baby Kangaroo Backpack Is Already Sold Out"

They are a money printing machine.

The flight to SYD was a regular Qantas flight, but with the first class cabin booked out for them and the entourage. It must have been a good day for Qantas considering the size of the press contingent travelling with 'em (120 accredited), and they (their employers) all pay their own way.

But if someone wants to send a private jet, sure.

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Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:50 pm

A little more than a year ago, Su Alteza Real, Letizia, Princesa de Asturias and her party of 3 security guards flew coach on Delta LGA-MIA. She patiently waited for her zone to be called alongside the commoners. She was completely gracious and incognito.
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Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 1):
Lessor Royals may also simply travel commercially - they have little in the way of security other than a Met Policeman

The Queen of Spain flew Ryanair somewhere on a private trip a couple of years ago. I remember it made the news.
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):

Did they fly thru DXB from LHR onward to SYD ??
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:49 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 8):
Did they fly thru DXB from LHR onward to SYD ??

Yes:

http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/07/prince...hes-a-baby-in-new-zealand-4690826/

"George travelled with William and Kate on a scheduled Qantas flight from Heathrow Airport, via Dubai, to Sydney where they transferred to the military plane."

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Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:51 am

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Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:11 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 4):
If this is a high end wedding that have folks with deep pockets. it wouldn't surprise me to see someone sending a personal jet. Can you imagine the two of them, the baby, the nanny, the body guards, schepping thru JFK for a connecting flight. Not going to happen. BTW...How did they get to NZ and on????? Royal flight aircraft? as this visit is official.

Like any real VIPs I imagine they will not schlep through JFK but be given special treatment to expedite their entry to the US and onto a connecting flight. That is unless someone lays on a private flight for them - but if not that then they will fly scheduled just as William, Catherine and George got to New Zealand and will return from Australia. Here in the UK we don't spend wild sums of money on grand status symbols like AF1, or even government long haul jets like many European presidencies have. The Queen when visiting other countries often takes scheduled flights, albeit that first is often reconfifured to look like a private cabin. Other royals as mentioned frequently use scheduled and LCC airlines to get about, without any great fanfare. This contributes to our amusement at the spectacle put on to transport the POTUS around the world.
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:00 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
Here in the UK we don't spend wild sums of money on grand status symbols like AF1, or even government long haul jets like many European presidencies have

I am all in favour of judicious use of tax payers money, but given the UK airforce has some shiny new A330 Transport/Tankers aircraft - including one that flies on the civil register - wouldn't it be a good use of our money when government ministers/royals travelling on official duties with large entourages/press packs go longhaul to use one of them to fly the flag instead of turning up [particularly in the case of the prime minister] in a 747 chartered from overseas? But that's not really for this topic and I know it has been discussed before.

Another not really related matter that springs to mind reading this topic is what are the passport arrangements for senior royals - do they get diplomatic status or do they travel on a regular passport?
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:12 am

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a regular passport

Only the Monarch travels without a passport - They don't need a warrant for themselves !

All others are subjects and require a warrant in the form of a UK standard Passport and they don't automatically have diplomatic status bestowed either.
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:17 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 13):
Only the Monarch travels without a passport - They don't need a warrant for themselves !

Correct. The Queen herself does not have a passport:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchAndCo...lth%20Visits/Queenandpassport.aspx

"As a British passport is issued in the name of Her Majesty, it is unnecessary for The Queen to possess one. All other members of the Royal Family, including The Duke of Edinburgh and The Prince of Wales, have passports."

It's always been my understanding that on all diplomatic missions (which this is) the arrangements for entry into the country are made by border protection discreetly, and that senior diplomats of the host country are there to smooth the way, often boarding the plane when it lands to dispose of formalities.

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Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:21 pm

I would guess that BA will offer a big discounted First class ticket at the back door of Buckingham Palace, just for the publicity of having them onboard,new baby and all. Say LHR-JFK and then a private jet down to MEM.Those people hosting the wedding have a few bob.
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
The Queen when visiting other countries often takes scheduled flights, albeit that first is often reconfifured to look like a private cabin.

I believe that British Airways have three 772s in their fleet, G-YMMG, 'MH and 'MO, that have especially adapted F Class cabin floor that allows the BA Royal Suite to be fitted.

The Royal Suite comprises two full-size single beds (one fitted each side of the cabin), an oak table(fitted in the forward centre of the cabin) with two chairs forward and another two aft of the table and a curtained changing area with two seats at the rear of the cabin.

The Royal Suite is not used on scheduled flights. It is only used for Royal Charter Flights. With one exception aircraft fitted with the Royal Suite have only been used by Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. "Minor" Royals from Prince Charles down almost invariably travel F Class on scheduled flights. However when travelling on Official Visits to Commonwealth countries as Queen or Prince of that country, the hosts, as in the case of the current visit of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their son to NZ and Australia, provide the transport. Hence they flew out of the UK by QF.

A good example of the protocol was when Prince William and his wife visited Canada and the USA. The Canadian government sent an RCAF aircraft to fly them from the UK to Canada. They also flew them to LAX at the end of their visit. The couple later flew First Class on a scheduled BA 744 from LAX to LHR.

The exception when the Royal Suite was used by other than the Queen and Prince Philip was at the time of the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne in 2006. 722 'MO fitted with the Royal Suite was used to carry the Queen and Prince Philip to CBR via SIN and then on to MEL a couple of days later for the Games Opening Ceremony. It then flew the Royal Couple home via SIN. When the aircraft arrived at LHR on 18 March it was parked.

'MO was returned to service on 24 March. It flew Prime Minister Blair, Mrs Blair and approximately 60 of his staff and accompanying media to an EU Summit in Brussels. That evening after the meeting it operated BRU-MEL (BA9118C) non-stop still fitted with the Royal Suite carrying the Blairs to the closing ceremony of the Games. That outward flight with a great circle distance of 8,953 miles and a sector time of 18 hours, 55 minutes is, I believe, still the world's longest commercial flight be it with a relatively light payload. On 28 March it operated MEL-AKL (BA9119C) taking the Blairs to New Zealand and the following day AKL-CGK (BA9120C) for an official visit to Indonesia. It arrived back at LHR on 31 March as BA9121C after which the Royal Suite was removed. It was returned to scheduled operations on 4 April.

When Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip travel long-haul on an Official Visit to a foreign country such as the USA or on Commonwealth business such as to a Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in one of the BA 772s some of the seats at the rear of the Y Class cabin are usually removed so that the Royal Party's clothes etc can be stored there. Apart from the seats required by the accompanying members of the Royal Household, the remaining seats are offered for sale to the media thus offsetting some of the aircraft charter costs.
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:43 pm

There are several DVD's available about royal travel. BA does a lot of it but the contract is put out for a competitive bid. The only aircraft personally owned by the British Royal family is a helicopter and the queen personally approves its use on an individual basis.

A few years ago Her Majesty was traveling to New Zealand on their national airline and it had to make a fueling stop at LAX. HM remained on board in first class and since she was not on a scheduled visit to the US there were no special arrrangements made and she passed quietly through in transit.
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:45 pm

In this situation there's probably a good chance they'll charter a jet - at their own expense. As there's a few of them going and there's no direct flight available it would be the simplest and safest option. If they're just going for a few days, they probably won't take George with them - it's more hastle and he might steal the show!

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 12):
I am all in favour of judicious use of tax payers money, but given the UK airforce has some shiny new A330 Transport/Tankers aircraft - including one that flies on the civil register - wouldn't it be a good use of our money when government ministers/royals travelling on official duties with large entourages/press packs go longhaul to use one of them

I think this would be a good plan in the future, but at the moment the fleet is, rightfully, committed to military airlift requirements - which should always take priority. Once they've pulled out of Afghanistan for the most part, there should be some flex in the fleet.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:35 am

One of the interesting facts about the royal family travel is when they go to visit something, but the visit is personal and not official. HM has been known to visit the Keeneland thoroughbred auction in Lexington, KY, in the US, on a personal visit without very much fanfare at all. Everyone knows she is there, but she's not there officially and much of the pomp just does not happen.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 19):
One of the interesting facts about the royal family travel is when they go to visit something, but the visit is personal and not official.

The visit to Lexington with George Bush, whose interest and knowledge of horses rivals that of Queen Elizabeth, was an add on to a State Visit to the USA. The aircraft used on that occasion was BA 772 G-YMMG. It operated LGR-RIC on 3 May 2007. On 4 May it positioned out of RIC (BA9149 to collect the Queen and Prince Philip from ??? Later that day it operated ???-LEX (BA9150C) arriving late evening. On 6 May it carried Queen Elizabeth LEX-ADW (BA9151C) and then carried the Royal Party home( ADW-LHR BA9152C) on 8 May.

After having the Royal Suite removed it was returned to scheduled operations on 12 May.

Can anyone help with exactly where it collected the Royal Party to fly them to Lexington?

Here is the schedule of the visit as published by the White House:

"The Schedule of the Her Majesty's Visit to America
"%u2022Her Majesty and His Royal Highness will visit the United States from May 3 %u2013 8, 2007. The Queen and Duke will visit Virginia (Richmond, Williamsburg and Jamestown) on May 3 %u2013 4, 2007, to mark the 400th Anniversary of the Jamestown settlement. Separately in Virginia, the Duke will visit Norfolk.
"%u2022On May 5, 2007, Her Majesty and His Royal Highness will visit Kentucky to attend the 133rd running of the Kentucky Derby. The royal couple will then visit Washington, D.C. on May 7 and 8, 2007, where they will be hosted by President and Mrs. Bush, including at a State Dinner at the White House.
"%u2022Her Majesty and Mrs. Bush will visit the Children%u2019s National Medical Center in Washington, D.C. on May 8, 2007, as well.
"%u2022The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh will then host a Return Dinner for the President and Mrs. Bush at the Embassy of Britain on May 8, 2007"

at:

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/visit/uk/2007/

However as Queen Elizabeth will be 88 in a few days time and Prince Philip will be 93 in June they are not likely to make any more long-haul visits. So the BA Royal Suite will hopefully remain in store for several year before it is again requireds. Nevertheless the Royal Couple did make a day trip to Rome earlier this month to meet Pope Francis.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
That is unless someone lays on a private flight for them - but if not that then they will fly scheduled just as William, Catherine and George got to New Zealand and will return from Australia. Here in the UK we don't spend wild sums of money on grand status symbols like AF1, or even government long haul jets like many European presidencies have. The Queen when visiting other countries often takes scheduled flights, albeit that first is often reconfifured to look like a private cabin. Other royals as mentioned frequently use scheduled and LCC airlines to get about, without any great fanfare. This contributes to our amusement at the spectacle put on to transport the POTUS around the world.

The irony of someone from a country that still pays homage to a figurehead monarchy lecturing another country on pomp, ceremony and excess isn't lost on me.   
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 20):
However as Queen Elizabeth will be 88 in a few days time and Prince Philip will be 93 in June they are not likely to make any more long-haul visits. So the BA Royal Suite will hopefully remain in store for several year before it is again requireds. Nevertheless the Royal Couple did make a day trip to Rome earlier this month to meet Pope Francis.

What was used to fly the Queen to Rome? RAF Bae 146? Or was a plane chartered in from a private operator? A Cello Aviation Avro RJ was used for the Irish State Visit in 2011

There is also a State Visit to France in June

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:02 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 22):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 22):
The irony of someone from a country that still pays homage to a figurehead monarchy lecturing another country on pomp, ceremony and excess isn't lost on me

You may find it ironic, I find it painfully true.
POTUS had 900 people on his recent trip to Brussels. 900? What could they possibly do in a day? Not to mention the First Lady's trips which regularly come in at $7 million plus.
To be sure, the present President is not the only one, Bush took 700 to London, but it seems to grow with each successive officer holder.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
Here in the UK we don't spend wild sums of money on grand status symbols like AF1

I guess not, you're still using the 1902 State Landau, the Gold State Coach, and the Australian State Coach. All a bit over-the-top even by today's standard. The POTUS actually works while using AF1. Have you ever seen HM poring over state papers while riding down Pall Mall?

If you think that AF1 is just a grand status symbol, think again. Your disdain for AF1 shouldn't cloud the fact of it's usefulness. The UK doesn't need an AF1, the US does.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
This contributes to our amusement at the spectacle put on to transport the POTUS around the world.

Enjoy the laugh. The US president doesn't ride in a 112-year-old horse-drawn carriage.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:08 pm

Would they all travel together?.

A crash could seriously impact on the succession.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 24):
I guess not, you're still using the 1902 State Landau, the Gold State Coach, and the Australian State Coach. All a bit over-the-top even by today's standard. The POTUS actually works while using AF1. Have you ever seen HM poring over state papers while riding down Pall Mall?

What a weird question.

Since coaches are only used on formal State occasions - often going to church - I hope she wouldn't be doing paperwork on the way.

They belong to the nation, not the monarch. Over the top? Of course. They're part of the reason that tourists flock to Britain.

The Royals don't usually ride around in jetboats, either, but the photos of the William and Kate on the Shotover boat are worth fortunes to the company that owns them, their name plastered around the world, as here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...fuelled-boat-adventure-rapids.html

You can't buy that kind of adverting.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 25):
Would they all travel together?.

A crash could seriously impact on the succession.

Generally, not, because of exactly that succession problem.

The only time it is usually allowed is on long-haul tours, such as this present one with William and George, but if Charles were on the tour as well, he would fly separately. In the present case, the Queen had to give her permission for William and George to travel on the same flights.

Today - Wednesday - the RAAF takes over, flying the Cambridge family from Wellington to Sydney. I assume it will be the VIP 737.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:34 pm

I was driving past Northolt AD in London the other day and police motorbikes came and stopped the traffic to let their convoy through onto the motorway. They certainly live a life of luxury at everyone else's expense. Personally I think that the Queen should have to go down to the job centre along with the rest of them and sign on to pick up her check every week.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:49 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 27):
Personally I think that the Queen should have to go down to the job centre along with the rest of them and sign on to pick up her check every week.

If she did want you want, the government should give back to her all the money it earns from the Crown Estate - royal land - bringing in more than £200 million every year:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/.../jun/27/crown-estate-record-profit

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The Crown Estate, owner of Regent Street, Windsor Great Park and manager of the UK's coastal waters, has announced a record profit of £253m.

Profits were up 5.2% on last year, a welcome boost for the public accounts, as all Crown Estate profits flow into Treasury coffers."


But I wonder why these threads always turn political.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:27 pm

Crown Estate? No, that belongs to the government. Any discussion of royals and politians is always political because whatever they're flying in is basically paid for by the rest of us. They can spend their time travelling the world at our expense and we're supposed to smile and wave at them as they go. But what can you do, unfortunately there is no political party willing to rock the boat and cut them down to size and other parts of the world have it a lot worse with their dictators and lunatics.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:48 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 29):
Crown Estate? No, that belongs to the government. Any discussion of royals and politians is always political because whatever they're flying in is basically paid for by the rest of us.

The Crown Estate does not "belong" to the government. King George handed over the management of the Crown estate to the government in 1760, in return or the then Civil List, as in the above link, from the devoutly republican Guardiian:

"The Crown Estate, whose creation dates back to 1760 when George III handed over the management of the country's lands and coastal waters to Parliament, has returned more than £2bn to the Treasury over the last decade."

The sovereign has no decision over the management of the estate, cannot buy or sell for it, but the state has never paid for the freehold.

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 29):
. They can spend their time travelling the world at our expense and we're supposed to smile and wave at them as they go.

You don't have to smile and wave.   

It is a constitutional monarchy - established by an Act Of Parliament following the disastrous English Republic and the so-called Glorious Revolution - and the Parliament could change it.

But all official royal tours are made at the request of the government of the day, as they would be with any head of state.

The Cambridge family are in New Zealand at the request of the NZ Government and paid for by NZ. The royals don't just decide to go, all on their ownsome. Same applies to Australia:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...-royal-revival-20140415-zqv05.html

"Republican movement wanes amid royal revival"

But you don't like the system - vote to change it.

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Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:27 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
Today - Wednesday - the RAAF takes over, flying the Cambridge family from Wellington to Sydney. I assume it will be the VIP 737.

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Which is how it should be, Royal travel on state visits to commonwealth countries is the responsibility of and provided by the nations that they are visiting.. Having said that the Queen has previously flown into Wellington on a BA 777, which presumably was chartered for her by New Zealand.
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Today - Wednesday - the RAAF takes over, flying the Cambridge family from Wellington to Sydney. I assume it will be the VIP 737.

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Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
Today - Wednesday - the RAAF takes over, flying the Cambridge family from Wellington to Sydney. I assume it will be the VIP 737.

mariner

Which is how it should be, Royal travel on state visits to commonwealth countries is the responsibility of and provided by the nations that they are visiting.. Having said that the Queen has previously flown into Wellington on a BA 777, which presumably was chartered for her by New Zealand.

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Yes its a BBJ. Currently parked at WLG

here's a shot of it, with them:

http://twitter.com/WomansDayNZ/status/456235240428535808/photo/1

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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:47 am

Old traditions such as the wonderful ceremonies of the UK and some of our US traditions are a good thing for the people of the respective Counties. They continue the history and the reminder of gentler times. I enjoy the old traditions and think we are better people for them. While it seems the life of luxury would you want to be under constant scrutiny as the Queen or Royal or POTUS. Give them a break it's not easy.
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:36 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 34):
here's a shot of it, with them:

http://twitter.com/WomansDayNZ/status/456235240428535808/photo/1

mariner

Not that we are doing Royal watch here but the BBJ has just touched down at SYD, locally newsworthy because the guy who they though was going to meet them at the airport NSW state premier Barry O'Farrell, has felt the need to resign this morning due to an unfortunate case of lying to a corruption enquiry.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 33):
I'd prefer to see them arriving in style on the mighty grey 757

Have to say that the NZAF 757's are fine looking aircraft.

[Edited 2014-04-15 21:43:13]
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:57 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 30):

The Cambridge family are in New Zealand at the request of the NZ Government and paid for by NZ.

Election year

Total cost to NZ taxpayer NZD$1.2million

How can the NZ prime minister call a dinner party he posted for the royals 'private' when it was paid for by the taxpayer at a cost of NZD$5000?
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:57 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 24):
I guess not, you're still using the 1902 State Landau, the Gold State Coach, and the Australian State Coach. All a bit over-the-top even by today's standard.

I'd be willing to bet that in terms of maintenance and operation they're a lot cheaper than AF1 and don't need replacing as often.
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:13 am

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 37):
Total cost to NZ taxpayer NZD$1.2million

Each to their own, but I'm inclined to agree with the NZ Herald today:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...cle.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11238864

"Today the hangover sets in, but all that fun for $1.2m? Bargain!"

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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:20 am

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 27):
I was driving past Northolt AD in London the other day and police motorbikes came and stopped the traffic to let their convoy through onto the motorway. They certainly live a life of luxury at everyone else's expense

It wasn't always thus, I can recall a different era when security was less of a concern and if you were lucky sitting in a bus in traffic around Buckingham Palace you'd see the Queen driving her old Rover 350 in a head scarf off to the country, no outriders, no fanfare. It's the security services that put the lid on that and that's largely why nowadays for any head of state travel is a big deal - this is true for most countries of the world.

One thing that amazes me is how the President of Italy's budget is something like 3x to 4x that of the British royal family. I don't recal anyone flocking to Rome because of the presidency of Italy?

Back on topic, I agree with this:

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 33):
I'd prefer to see them arriving in style on the mighty grey 757
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:24 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 40):
It wasn't always thus, I can recall a different era when security was less of a concern and if you were lucky sitting in a bus in traffic around Buckingham Palace you'd see the Queen driving her old Rover 350 in a head scarf off to the country, no outriders, no fanfare. It's the security services that put the lid on that

Pretty sure it was the IRA killing Mountbatten plus a bomb that exploded in the house of commons carpark killing Airey Neave that put the lid on that..
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:31 am

The example of 900 People invading Brussels for a day just for a Presidential visit Shows that a republican System is by no way cheaper than a constitutional monarchy.

I was reading that operating AF1 costs something around US$ 230K per hour and on state visits they fly usually both.

I am sure that the German Air Force A 340 and A329 operating costs by the hour are more expensive than what LH achieves.Now, the Chancellor Needs flexible hours, the President, our head of state does not and could probably fly LH as well, But they do not always fly where LH flies, or vv.

I admit that I envy the Brits for their Royal Family. Four Generations on one Picture, amazing. And they earn their Keep, millions of tourists come to London and other parts just for them end the heritage and even the youngest member already generates tax income and Business.

Keep the "firm", they do a great Job..
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:32 am

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 27):

I was driving past Northolt AD in London the other day and police motorbikes came and stopped the traffic to let their convoy through onto the motorway. They certainly live a life of luxury at everyone else's expense. Personally I think that the Queen should have to go down to the job centre along with the rest of them and sign on to pick up her check every week.

Royal Standard flying on an unregistered car ?

If not far more likely be a government minister or PM off to Chequers !
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:44 am

For info, when a US VIP aircraft is used, the respective passengers are responsible for their own costs. In some cases, use and access come with the position, such as with the President, Vice Pres, and family, and limited invited guests. All others must pay- either from their respective budgets, or, as in the case of the press, is paid through their respective organization.

I am not sure what the costs are, but I know it does not come cheap.

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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 44):

For info, when a US VIP aircraft is used, the respective passengers are responsible for their own costs. In some cases, use and access come with the position, such as with the President, Vice Pres, and family, and limited invited guests. All others must pay- either from their respective budgets, or, as in the case of the press, is paid through their respective organization.

I am not sure what the costs are, but I know it does not come cheap.

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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:03 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 4):
If this is a high end wedding that have folks with deep pockets. it wouldn't surprise me to see someone sending a personal jet. Can you imagine the two of them, the baby, the nanny, the body guards, schepping thru JFK for a connecting flight. Not going to happen. BTW...How did they get to NZ and on????? Royal flight aircraft? as this visit is official.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 43):
If not far more likely be a government minister or PM off to Chequers !

The security surrounding the PM was scaled back considerably in 2010. Some may recall the day of the handover, the then PM Gordon Brown was driven to Buckingham Palace surrounded by motorcycle outriders etc, and the new PM David Cameron was driven from Buckingham Palace to Downing Street with none at all. There is security but its far less high profile than it used to be.
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:21 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 46):
PM Gordon Brown was driven to Buckingham Palace surrounded by motorcycle outriders etc, and the new PM David Cameron was driven from Buckingham Palace to Downing Street with none at all. There is security but its far less high profile than it used to be.

True that security for Blair and Brown governed by risk analysis and certain international expeditions !
 
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:25 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 46):
There is security but its far less high profile than it used to be.

There was still Range Rovers front and back if I remember.
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RE: Royal Travel Question

Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:17 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 46):
The security surrounding the PM was scaled back considerably in 2010. Some may recall the day of the handover, the then PM Gordon Brown was driven to Buckingham Palace surrounded by motorcycle outriders etc, and the new PM David Cameron was driven from Buckingham Palace to Downing Street with none at all. There is security but its far less high profile than it used to be.

Don't forget though that Brown arrived as PM whereas Cameron did not. Vice versa the other way around.

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