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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:19 pm

This is first of all a wakeup call to parents. You hand your kids a hammer and a knife after making sure they can handle them without injuring themselves. Same way with other tools including online devices.
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:11 am

Quoting Opethfan (Reply 43):

LOL! I just snorted.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting 135mech (Reply 20):
ALSO this one...idiot NFL San Fran player Aldon Smith claimed to have a bomb

...and he's 2x her age! I think Roger Goodall will have some discipline for him as well as the L.A. County Superior Courts...
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:20 am

I presume the merged Twitter handle will be @weneedprofessionals
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 15):
My point is if AA's response was the proper one, why did they have to delete their own tweet within an hour ?

It's worth remembering that AA is one of the airlines that was PERSONALLY targeted on September 11th.

Sorry, but I think they handled it perfectly considering they had nothing to do with the arrest in the first place. Making a big deal about it? Sure! Let's find a way to make sure that every human being on the planet knows what to expect when they threaten an airline.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:45 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 31):
If dealing it publicly was the best response, why did AA delete their own tweet ?

Because it served its purpose. There's no need to leave it up on the feed for long, as it distracts from the overall message of the feed. After the press picks the story up, they can take the publicity from there.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:37 am

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to think tweeting that was a good idea? The level of intelligence (or lack of) in this world is shocking sometimes! AA responded in a appropriete manner considering the threat.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:53 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 34):
This is way too far to let it just slide.

True. The sad thing is that authorities nowadays basically let young people off the hook in so many instances that, unless she is made an example of, idiots will continue to pull dumb stunts...  
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:47 am

She is NOT arrested.
She and a adult (presumable one of the parents) went to the police station after she did not get any response from AA after her apologies and she was afraid that the Police on request of the US would come to her.
After the questioning she will be most probable free to go as this is a very minor offence according Dutch law.
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:49 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 34):
Kids do dumb things like getting caught with a case of beer in the woods. This is way too far to let it just slide.

Kids do a lot dumber things than that, only that the audience used to be a lot smaller. If a 14 year old decided to turn herself into the police, because she is probably terrified of a black clad CIA grab-team kicking down her door any minute, hauling her of to Gitmo to be water-boarded or worse (the image of what US law enforcement does, when it comes to terrorism, all over the world) she probably had learned her lesson when she read "FBI" in that AA tweet. No reason to let it slide, but a nice long talk with some law enforcement officers should do. Maybe some hours of community service on top to make it stick, but that should be it.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 58):
She is NOT arrested.

Sorry, but she WAS arrested, this was posted before, but here it is again! If you have a credible link that states otherwise please feel free to share it with us.

http://myfox8.com/2014/04/13/teen-ha...error-threat-to-american-airlines/

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[Edited 2014-04-15 00:37:49]
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:57 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 47):
But not at the airlines.. many of the people working the Facebook/Twitter teams are actual CSA's or "super" CSA's. At least that is the case at WestJet, Alaska, Mokulele Airlines, American (*mostly*), Delta, KLM...

I have seen many mistakes on social media due to outsourcing. Here's a classic example:

http://twitter.com/VirginAtlantic/status/355968871359979520

Apparently the Twitter department does not know VS management has delayed A380 deliveries to 2018.

Quoting 135mech (Reply 60):
Sorry, but she WAS arrested, this was posted before, but here it is again! If you have a credible link that states otherwise please feel free to share it with us.

She went to the police by herself.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:09 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 20):
SO...everyone defending that stupid girl...please state WHY she needs defending when all of this happens so often and so much???

135mech, this is a very complicated question:

You possibly might know that a teenager's brain is undergoing tremendous changes. 2/3 of all synapses vanish during puberty and the brain is - a kind of - rebuilt. As much as I am upset by teenager behaviour (I am 53 years old), I know that they CANNOT behave orderly. They just MUST do it. Just as many criminals MUST do criminal things since they are forced by their brains to do so. The concept of free will is, unfortunately, one, which might be wrong and which a considerable number of scientists do challenge.

Whether security will be strengthened by the type of controls done at airports, whether it is possible to make a potential terrorist be so stressed just by the type of control, which is being performed on (most) airports, that he will not "accomplish" what "his brain tells him to do": I do not know it, although I sincerely hope the controls do help.
I fear, however, that it is done the way it is done - and that AA in this case reacted as they did - because nobody has any "better recipe".

On the last Annual Meeting of the International Society of Neuroscience in San Diego, Nita Farahany from Duke Univ. presented a Presidential Lecture outlining the problem of "Neuroscience in the Courtroom". It was a fascinating talk. However, it seems that "Neuroscience in fighting terrorism" still is a very challenging field.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:56 pm

Copycats already. Southwest response was appropriate.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:14 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 60):
Sorry, but she WAS arrested, this was posted before, but here it is again! If you have a credible link that states otherwise please feel free to share it with us.

See link below to the newspaper which mentioned that she is not arrested and free to go.
She will remain a suspect until the case is closed.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederlan...reigtweet-plaatste-weer-vrij.dhtml

Sorry it is only in Dutch but it mentions that the girl is released but remains a suspect.

Also i don't think that Fox news is a very reliable source for Dutch news. (understatement)
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:43 pm

Seriously people?!

American acted completely appropriate. Some fast facts:

They were NOT the ones who arrested her.

They were NOT the ones who posted a long and drawn out rant (little girls response).

They received a threat directly on social media.

They sent a single response that they take all threats seriously.

They also ADVISED the poster (which now we know is a 14 yo idiot girl) that they were logging the IP address and notifying the FBI and their Corporate Security.



What was POSSIBLY overreacting? It is American's LEGAL responsibility to ensure the safe travels of their passengers. They didn't go off on her, they simply notified her that they take it all threats seriously. I am glad that the company is swift in addressing threats, no matter how realistic they are.

As to why American would take down the feed and not leave their post up.... Think logically. American is a business. They exist to make money. If YOU were the company would you want a "terrorist threat" (albeit a joke) on your corporate page???? That really helps drive sales and highlights your product, no? Look, corporate media obviously saw the threat was addressed and that it had been heard by the poster. They forward the incoming threat to the appropriate places for THEM to investigate, then they went forward with the business of making money.

Kudos to American for practicing due diligence.
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 65):
What was POSSIBLY overreacting? It is American's LEGAL responsibility

I would have also emphasized the word RESPONSIBILITY. AA is legally mandated to report these actions- hoax or serious.

To the other posters bemoaning AA's response:
Do not lose sight of right and wrong just because you picture a giggly 14-year old Dutch girl sitting in her pink dress in her pink bedroom smiling innocently as she posts a terror threat on twitter to the world's largest airline.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 65):

As to why American would take down the feed and not leave their post up.... Think logically. American is a business. They exist to make money. If YOU were the company would you want a "terrorist threat" (albeit a joke) on your corporate page???? That really helps drive sales and highlights your product, no? Look, corporate media obviously saw the threat was addressed and that it had been heard by the poster. They forward the incoming threat to the appropriate places for THEM to investigate, then they went forward with the business of making money.

You just self contradicted. Most corporations handle law enforcement matters privately, not issuing a press release (a public twitter response is an informal format of the same thing).

By the end of the day, that social media team totally lost it on Twitter due to another tweet. What goes around really comes around.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:58 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 45):
Looks like AA/US is having trouble with their social media teams. Was there any town hall meeting how these two team will be integrated?

Supposedly some integration has already occurred. People were reporting similar initials/handles when dealing with the twitter accounts of both airlines.

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):

Why? Dealing with it privately only benefits the girl - the amount of press the story has gotten, and the amount of negativity directed toward her, is a strong message that her actions have consequences, above and beyond whatever the police do with her (and I do hope they press charges).

Not really. Dealing with it privately would still lead to the same arrest and police record on file which will impede on her future (college and job). The public response, instead of deterring people, ended up with a whole bunch of prank copycats that will now waste the resources of the social media team instead of dealing with actual customer service.

Twitter users are mocking US instead of applauding AA. I don't think they won the PR cycle.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 57):
[quote=jetblue1965,reply=69]Dealing with it privately would still lead to the same arrest and police record on file which will impede on her future (college and job). T

This will have zero effect on either her Job or College chances. A criminal record requires a prison penalty, that she is unlikely to get. Crimes committed as non-adult don´t show up in any document a school or an employer could get his hands on. Even if she actually carried out a bomb strike on an AA Aircraft killing all on board the maximum prison time for her would be 1 year (no typo, 12 month).

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 70):
This will have zero effect on either her Job or College chances. A criminal record requires a prison penalty, that she is unlikely to get. Crimes committed as non-adult don´t show up in any document a school or an employer could get his hands on. Even if she actually carried out a bomb strike on an AA Aircraft killing all on board the maximum prison time for her would be 1 year (no typo, 12 month).

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:18 pm

AA's response tweet was very immature by whomever posted it. Whomever controls - or controlled at that time - their twitter account should have remembered that they represent a large company, and to forgo individual feelings. AA's deleted response reeks of what a contemporary of this girl might have replied in a schoolyard spat. -1

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 65):
they were logging the IP address

American never had their IP address, only twitter and networking intermediaries do.

The only way a recipient of a message on most social media will see a sender's IP address would be if they are directly connected, e.g. AOL Direct IM (former AIM Direct Connect). Then you can quite easily see a sender's IP because your computer has an active network connection to theirs.
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 70):
Even if she actually carried out a bomb strike on an AA Aircraft killing all on board the maximum prison time for her would be 1 year (no typo, 12 month).

I highly doubt that....
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 73):
I highly doubt that....

Under Dutch law a person aged up to 18 can be imprisoned no more then 2 years. Under special conditions a person up to 23 years old can also be trialled as a minor. People with a mental disorder for instance.

In some cases a minor can be given a "PIJ maatregel" (PIJ ruling). This takes at least 3 years. Depending on the crime and the progress of the rehabilitation a judge can decide to extend the PIJ-ruling up to at most 7 years in total. This ruling is reserved for people with a mental disorder where it is deemed likely the perpretator will act again.

In extreme cases the PIJ ruling can be extended into a TBS ruling, which is largelly the same except intended for adults. This will take as long as medical staff (psychiatrists etc) deem necessary. Theoretically it could mean a life-sentence.

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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:42 pm

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 74):
Under Dutch law a person aged up to 18 can be imprisoned no more then 2 years. Under special conditions a person up to 23 years old can also be trialled as a minor. People with a mental disorder for instance.

Isn´t the limit under 16 years only 1 year? I can recall a 15 year old getting 1 year for premeditated murder of a 15 years old girl not too long ago as maximum allowed penalty.

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 72):
I highly doubt that....

Criminal law in Europe serves the prevention of future crimes, not "justice" in the way of the old testament. Relapse rates are much, much lower this way.

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P.S. maybe a Mod should move this thread into "non-aviation"?

[Edited 2014-04-15 11:45:41]
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 69):
Crimes committed as non-adult don´t show up in any document a school or an employer could get his hands on.

You know, any document except for the internet, which every school and employer should check before hiring someone. And this will be on the in

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 69):
Even if she actually carried out a bomb strike on an AA Aircraft killing all on board the maximum prison time for her would be 1 year (no typo, 12 month).

That is truly sad. Punishment should fit the crime, and that is not nearly enough punishment.

[Edited 2014-04-15 13:08:06]
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 74):
sn´t the limit under 16 years only 1 year?

I had to look it up, but you are right.

Also, kids up to 12 years old won't be imprisoned at all, though the kid can be taken away from their parents or the kid + parents placed under supervision of social services.
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:49 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 75):
You know, any document except for the internet, which every school and employer should check before hiring someone. And this will be on the in

We have different take on individual privacy than Europe.

Even AA may not know the true identity of this person. Most likely a Dutch Judge has to authorize the release of information.

If you are thinking like Ed and Danny in Las Vegas roughing up a perp, it is not going to happen.
 
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:36 am

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 62):
135mech, this is a very complicated questio

Hello, Thank you for your response, and I must say...incredibly well spoken! I have a brother that was incarcerated for 23+ years because he is a "natural" criminal and supposedly he is now reformed. I definitely appreciate what you wrote and understand all of it from "both" sides. Sadly, she thought she could just get famous without imagining the consequences...and the worst part was when she lied, and then made jokes repeatedly about it all. After living with a person who did these exact types of actions their entire lives, I see it from their "angle" and they truly have no remorse for their actions...until they are in deep trouble. BUT, that is my experience from situations like this.

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 64):
Sorry it is only in Dutch but it mentions that the girl is released but remains a suspect.

Also i don't think that Fox news is a very reliable source for Dutch news. (understatement)

Hi, it wasn't just FOX news, there were other links too... I am NOT a fan (anymore) of Fox, as they are one of the worst in major networks for bias and b-s these days!

Regards,
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RE: AA Twitter Terrorism Threat

Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:18 am

My take on this, is that it was all a big game for her.

Then she got the tweet from aa.

At that point she went into a blind panic, thinking she was going to get a one way ticket to cuba.

Since then she spoke to her mum, the result being a visit to the police, before they visited her.

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