AA And The 787

jetsetterusa · Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:32 am

So i know here soon AA will getting the first 787! Where do you think that will fly and when will it be delivered? Thanks

Fly Crazy

nascarnut · Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:32 am

Hopefully they will use them to start their LAX - Pacific/Asia expansion. Would like to see LAX-AKL to connect. Arrive in AKL early morning to offer SYD/MEL/BNE connections on QF and depart late afternoon/early evening to collect Aust passengers coming back. AKL needs mainland US carrier. If NZ call fill 5 777's per day at the peak from AKL to LAX/SFO/YVR surely an airline the size of AA could fill 1 787

flyinghippo · Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:31 am

Given AA's plan to use LAX as an APAC hub, I would imagine LAX would see a lot of AA 787s in the next 5 years. Given AA will receive 42 787s, they should have a lot of flexibility to start a lot of APAC routes from LAX.

SYD
AKL
PEK
CAN
HKG - During off peak season?
HND/NRT
KIX
NGO
TPE
ICN
PVG

Just for starters

[Edited 2014-04-19 20:05:58]

Miami · Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:37 am

I only hope they be smart and add some new routes. Not to use the 787 on the same old routes. Like GRU, LHR, etc..

I hope they make LAX a Pacific/Asia gateway like Mr. Kriby said.

I'd like to see new destinations. I for one would like to see: TPE, GLA, DEL, SYD, MEL, PEK, SNN, AKL, IST, TLV, CPT, JNB, AMS, CPH, OSL, ARN. Maybe even DXB.

But I'd really like an expansion plan for of course MIA and LAX.

MIA-NRT for me is on my list for a AA 787 route. But let's see.

Quoting jetsetterusa (Thread starter):
delivered

November 2014. 787-8 and 787-9

kenanc · Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:54 am

Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 2):
AA will receive 42 788s

Wait, I thought they ordered 30 789s and 12 788s? Did they switch their order?

Miami · Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:57 am

Quoting KenanC (Reply 4):
Wait, I thought they ordered 30 789s and 12 788s? Did they switch their order?

Nope. You're right. He's wrong.

qqflyboy · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting KenanC (Reply 4):

You are correct. The original order was for 42 789s, plus 58 options. They then converted 12 to 788s as earlier delivery positions opened, supposedly from a cancelled QF order. AA receives it's first 788 this November and expects to have it in revenue service sometime in late January or February.

flyinghippo · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting KenanC (Reply 4):
Wait, I thought they ordered 30 789s and 12 788s? Did they switch their order?

You're right - I meant to type 42 787s, fat fingered it.

JFKPurser · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:07 am

The JFK (LGA) pilot base is being trained first, with training beginning May/June. JFK pilots have been told the first 787 route will be JFK-CDG in Jan 2015.

[Edited 2014-04-19 20:08:24]

zkncj · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:27 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 1):
If NZ call fill 5 777's per day at the peak from AKL to LAX/SFO/YVR

Soon so be increasing to 6x daily certain days of the week, something like this
LAX 2x 77W 1x 772
SFO 1x 77W 1x 772
YVR 1x 772

Gemuser · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:37 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 1):
Would like to see LAX-AKL to connect. Arrive in AKL early morning to offer SYD/MEL/BNE connections on QF and depart late afternoon/early evening to collect Aust passengers coming back

Apart from price, why would anybody (except Korman!) do that? I seriously doubt low fare passengers are a good base to deploy your latest, most expensive planes on. AA must have better opportunities elsewhere.

Gemuser

bwwt · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:46 am

^^Especially when they have a JV partner flying direct to all those cities with a better product!

TWA772LR · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:01 am

I see LAX-Asia and possibly MIA/DFW-Africa. UA gets a lot of connecting pax from DFW for their Lagos flight. AA can surely tap into that.

777Jet · Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:17 am

What about DFW-AKL? QF handle DFW-SYD and LAX-SYD (though I could see an AA 787 doing LAX-SYD). I have always though LAX-AKL would be good for the AA 787. However, DFW-AKL would have no other competition on the route... Seems like the kind of route the 787 was designed for...

Gemuser · Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 13):
What about DFW-AKL? QF handle DFW-SYD and LAX-SYD (though I could see an AA 787 doing LAX-SYD). I have always though LAX-AKL would be good for the AA 787. However, DFW-AKL would have no other competition on the route... Seems like the kind of route the 787 was designed for.

Sounds reasonable, BUT is there enough traffic, at a reasonable fare, to make it viable? IMHO there is not enough, but that's just an opinion.

Gemuser

777Jet · Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:34 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Sounds reasonable, BUT is there enough traffic, at a reasonable fare, to make it viable?

That is my concern too. Nonetheless, I like the idea of a new route / market. That is partly what the 787 was designed for. However, it seems that more 787s are being deployed when airlines want to enter an already established market. I like how BA has started AUS-LHR - a new route. I think there are not a lot of new routes out of LAX that AA could do and would mostly be entering existing routes as a competitor (despite having the perfect plane to do it with). UA toyed with the IAH-AKL idea and they even had NZ as a feeder. If AA did DFW-AKL it would take balls and I'm sure it would be low down on the list, well below the previously QF operated LAX-AKL.

IndianicWorld · Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:58 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
Apart from price, why would anybody (except Korman!) do that? I seriously doubt low fare passengers are a good base to deploy your latest, most expensive planes on. AA must have better opportunities elsewhere.

Fully agree. Makes no sense.

The NZ market is only around 4 million people, which is effectively owned by Air NZ. It relies very heavily on the connection market out of Australia to fill its Nth American bound/arriving aircraft, as the NZ market itself is certainly not sufficient to meet that capacity.

QF didn't bother sticking around as it didn't see how it could make money on the AKL-LAX route, so not sure I see why AA would suddenly now see it as an golden opportunity. Expecting AA at AKL to boost traffic via QF connections to Australia is certainly not a wise business case.

bunumuring · Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:49 pm

Hi everyone,
I agree that with recent AA developments re the Pacific/Asia, the 787 seems to have a bright future there.
I believe that any QF/AA transpacific expansion will focus on the AA 787s - and I agree that DFW could be a focus of this as well. If QF go direct SYD-DFW-SYD, could AA open DFW-BNE-DFW? And what about Melbourne? Enough of a potential market there for an AA 787 service from DFW?
Food for thought...
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

commavia · Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
The JFK (LGA) pilot base is being trained first, with training beginning May/June. JFK pilots have been told the first 787 route will be JFK-CDG in Jan 2015.

Interesting. Wouldn't necessarily have guessed JFK-CDG as the first route, although I suppose it does make sense: busy route with service-conscious customers and high-end competition, and from a major base where there could be spare aircraft lying around in case of any early teething problems.

I do agree with others that, eventually, once the 787 arrives in larger numbers, they are likely to figure quite prominently over the Pacific - moreso than the Atlantic. The 787's economics, and its smaller size relative to 777s, seem like a perfect fit for many of AA's current (and prospective future) U.S.-Asia nonstop routes.

I look forward to seeing the configuration these jets get - particularly in the premium cabin. I'm sure AA will continue on the same path it's headed with the new 777 J cabins, which are incredible (in the case of the -300ER) and look like they will be great (-200ER).

alexinwa · Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:50 pm

Won't AA need to use a large number of 787's to replace the 763 that begins retirement soon?

Sounds like that will limit the number of "New" routes.

With the US merger makes one wonder if Hawaii will see larger A/C from PHX. Maybe they could try CLT-HNL again with a 787?

commavia · Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:06 pm

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 19):
Won't AA need to use a large number of 787's to replace the 763 that begins retirement soon?

Sounds like that will limit the number of "New" routes.

Not really. Between the 787s, 777s, A330s and A350s, AA has plenty of widebody lift coming online in the next few years to easily handle some managed growth while still drawing down 767 flying. And, of course, AA can also moderate the 767 retirements to either speed up or slow down the process if need be, not to mention that even with the 767s nearing retirement, it is quite likely that the 767s will still be flying longhaul at AA - in the future likely relatively less Europe, and more Latin America and Hawaii - for years and years to come.

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 19):
With the US merger makes one wonder if Hawaii will see larger A/C from PHX. Maybe they could try CLT-HNL again with a 787?

I could definitely see PHX-HNL going from 3x 757 to, say, 1-2x 767. As for CLT-HNL, I think the prospect of that is essentially zero with any aircraft, let alone AA's brand new 787s which are going to be much more pressingly needed in higher-yielding longhaul markets where the product/service offering is more critical and the competitive dynamics necessitate the jet's better economics.

NYCAAer · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:00 pm

The latest I've heard in the company rumor mill is that the 787s will now be flown first out of DFW, and they will fly domestic routes for familiarization before going to international. Priority is going to be replacing the 763s on transatlantic routes, because they are more economical and can carry more passngers at lower costs, and the 763 product is beyond tired. I have also heard CDG will be the first international market for the 787.

blink182 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:12 pm

A few questions:
Has AA stated whether these aircraft will have F?
And, how will usage differ from the A350?

ORD-GRU and/or EZE:I know AA made a futile attempt a few years back, but I'm wondering if a 4x weekly 788 will give AA the correct cost and capacity to to make these routes work. ORD doesn't offer too many connections, but a partnership with TAM might be able to boost connections ex-Brazil.

ORD or JFK-DEL: Same story as GRU/EZE, but I wonder if AA has officially handed over India to BA and QR.

MIA-NRT: Tokyo has traditionally only seen one equipment type at a time, but I can't help but wonder whether MIA might finally connect to oneworld's northeast Asian hub, even if this cannibalizes DFW-NRT loads from South America.

ORD or LAX-KIX: 3x-4x weekly. Part of AA supposedly wanting to make LAX an Asia gAAteway(what happened to DFW?) Are Kansai's operating costs still high?

MIA-JNB: MIA is AA's most geographically advantageous point. Lower aircraft operating costs might give it an advantage over DL through ATL and SAA through IAD, which I believe is not nonstop.

DFW-PVG: 77E might be too much aircraft.

Inevitably: DFW/ORD/PHX?-HNL/OGG: I don't believe Airbus and Boeing's next gen narrowbodies have the range--once the 767s are retired, these routes will need be flown by 77E, 787, or 350.

commavia · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:22 pm

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 21):
The latest I've heard in the company rumor mill is that the 787s will now be flown first out of DFW, and they will fly domestic routes for familiarization before going to international.

I would regard domestic fam flights as a virtual certainty whether the initial base was JFK or DFW, just like with the 777s 15 years ago (I remember right after EIS in mid-1999 seeing one parked at the terminal in SFO having just arrived from ORD).

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 21):
Priority is going to be replacing the 763s on transatlantic routes, because they are more economical and can carry more passngers at lower costs, and the 763 product is beyond tired.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 21):
I have also heard CDG will be the first international market for the 787.

So either 44/45 or 48/49, but CDG one way or another. Cool.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 22):
ORD or JFK-DEL: Same story as GRU/EZE, but I wonder if AA has officially handed over India to BA and QR.

AA can't "officially hand over" anything to another airline. AA cannot even discuss such things with Qatar, though any AA move back into India would be done in the context of the exist AA-BA JV. Personally, I do think the 787 may well give AA the opportunity to reenter the India market, although with the proliferation of more and more nonstop U.S.-Gulf flights, the market opportunity is debatable, admittedly.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 22):
ORD or LAX-KIX: 3x-4x weekly. Part of AA supposedly wanting to make LAX an Asia gAAteway(what happened to DFW?) Are Kansai's operating costs still high?

Quoting blink182 (Reply 22):
DFW-PVG: 77E might be too much aircraft.

Again - I would not be at all surprised if, within the next five years, virtually every single one of AA's U.S.-Asia nonstop routes is being flown with 787s with the possible exception of DFW-NRT (possibly reduced to one daily flight, but on the larger 77W) and ORD-NRT (flown with a reconfigured 777).

Quoting blink182 (Reply 22):
MIA-JNB: MIA is AA's most geographically advantageous point. Lower aircraft operating costs might give it an advantage over DL through ATL and SAA through IAD, which I believe is not nonstop.

I see MIA-JNB (or perhaps MIA-JNB-CPT-MIA) as an entirely plausible market opportunity for AA in Africa with the 787.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 22):
Inevitably: DFW/ORD/PHX?-HNL/OGG: I don't believe Airbus and Boeing's next gen narrowbodies have the range--once the 767s are retired, these routes will need be flown by 77E, 787, or 350.

"Inevitable," perhaps, but not for a very long time. I suspect that, much like the DC10 nearly 14 years ago, the Hawaii routes will be some of the very last, if not the very last, to see the 767. As markets go they are relatively shorter than a lot of intercontinental flying, and also far less product/service-intensive since they are almost entirely leisure. While it is obviously true that AA will have to find something to fly these routes once the 767s are entirely gone, I'm not holding my breath for that - as I suspect it is still a very long way away.

jetblue1965 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 13):

AKL-IAH has far higher potential for success than AKL-DFW and even that flight is still in rumor phase only

wedgetail737 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:57 pm

Are you sure they didn't cancel the 787 orders for pending A350 order?

vegas005 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:58 pm

When will Zurich get rid of that God awful pos 767-200 with the worst business class ever configured?

migair54 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
I see MIA-JNB (or perhaps MIA-JNB-CPT-MIA) as an entirely plausible market opportunity for AA in Africa with the 787.

I think MIA-JNB will be a home run if they finally launch, one world presence in Africa is not very big but JNB has Comair so at least so feeding is there. I think some places in Africa could make a good business but it´s not that easy.

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 19):
Won't AA need to use a large number of 787's to replace the 763 that begins retirement soon?

I think for some of this they are using the new A321T, or they are only for the B762??

What configuration do you think they will have?? are they going to be fitted with First??

tcxdegsy · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:04 pm

Interesting comments around suggested new routes including GLA. First part of a 2 part fly-on-the-wall documentary played here last week about Edinburgh Airport, which is now working hard to secure new airlines and routes (especially now that it's no longer part of BAA). It followed the Route and Revenue team (not sure of their correct name), at an Airline/ Airport/ Routes convention in Budapest, and a lot was made of a pitch to AA, to attract them to EDI, and the AA guys seemed pretty positive

Considering AA have in the past had seasonal flghts to GLA from ORD, maybe the next new AA route will be to EDI. Bearing in mind the airport will start ORD with UA, Philly with US and Doha with Qatar this year, and already have year-round flights to JFK with UA, and seasonal YYZ with AC Rouge... AA would probably like to get in on the act in 2015?

817Dreamliiner · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:05 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 25):
Are you sure they didn't cancel the 787 orders for pending A350 order?

No they did not. They are keeping both orders.

md94 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:08 pm

Personally, I would like to see ORD get some love from AA and UA. Both airlines interiors on their 767s are old and need refurbishment. UA had the refurbished 767s at ORD for awhile, but now they are back to the old ones. Hopefully AA will send some refurbished 767s and 777s along with the new 787s to ORD.

It just seems ORD has become the dumping ground for a lot of the older long haul planes for both airlines. Maybe it is just me...but I would like to see some new interiors and good AVOD.

AVENSAB727 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:22 pm

Quoting md94 (Reply 30):

It does look has if UA is focusing more on IAH than ORD. Kinda bad for ORD.

JoePatroni707 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:36 pm

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 26):
When will Zurich get rid of that God awful pos 767-200 with the worst business class ever configured?

Zurich has not seen the 767-200 in probably 10 years, its a 767-300. And ZRH is currently being flown with AA's new J product with all lie flat seats and direct aisle access.

boberito6589 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting joepatroni707 (Reply 32):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 26):
When will Zurich get rid of that God awful pos 767-200 with the worst business class ever configured?

Zurich has not seen the 767-200 in probably 10 years, its a 767-300. And ZRH is currently being flown with AA's new J product with all lie flat seats and direct aisle access.

I think he is talking about the 767-200 that US sends from PHL and those are either going to go away by the end of 2015

jfklganyc · Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:54 pm

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
The JFK (LGA) pilot base is being trained first, with training beginning May/June. JFK pilots have been told the first 787 route will be JFK-CDG in Jan 2015.

Thank god.

I just flew JFK-MXP-JFK on the 763.

Service great
Food good
Coach was straight out of the 80s! Even had the old fashioned channel selectors in the arm rest. I was waiting for someone to light up a cigarette.

Although Main Cabin Extra on the way there was new. They stopped the new cabin when they got to coach on the 763 fleet. These birds need an update or a 787

cjpmaestro · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:08 pm

Quoting Boberito6589 (Reply 33):
Quoting joepatroni707 (Reply 32):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 26):
When will Zurich get rid of that God awful pos 767-200 with the worst business class ever configured?

Zurich has not seen the 767-200 in probably 10 years, its a 767-300. And ZRH is currently being flown with AA's new J product with all lie flat seats and direct aisle access.

I think he is talking about the 767-200 that US sends from PHL and those are either going to go away by the end of 2015

Speaking of PHL - could they use the 787 on the long overdue PHL - Asia route?

ER757 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting md94 (Reply 30):
Personally, I would like to see ORD get some love from AA and UA. Both airlines interiors on their 767s are old and need refurbishment.

My thoughts exactly - I have to believe AA is going to put 787's on some ORD to Europe routes in due time. Either new routes entirely or as a replacement for 767's on current routes.

777STL · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
"Inevitable," perhaps, but not for a very long time. I suspect that, much like the DC10 nearly 14 years ago, the Hawaii routes will be some of the very last, if not the very last, to see the 767. As markets go they are relatively shorter than a lot of intercontinental flying, and also far less product/service-intensive since they are almost entirely leisure. While it is obviously true that AA will have to find something to fly these routes once the 767s are entirely gone, I'm not holding my breath for that - as I suspect it is still a very long way away.

I agree.

The traditionally low yielding Hawaii routes will probably be among the last of the old warhorse 763 routes given that AA hasn't invested much in the 763 product. Since AA has plans to keep half of the 763 fleet until at least the end of the decade, I suspect it'll be the better part of 10 years before you see something else on the longer haul Hawaii routes.

The youngest tranche of 763s is only 13-14 years old, they could conceivably be around another 15 years.

Quoting tcxdegsy (Reply 28):
Considering AA have in the past had seasonal flghts to GLA from ORD, maybe the next new AA route will be to EDI.

Didn't AA operate that route with a 757 out of ORD? I'd imagine a 787 would be far too premium/capacity for such a route.

commavia · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 34):
Service great
Food good
Coach was straight out of the 80s! Even had the old fashioned channel selectors in the arm rest. I was waiting for someone to light up a cigarette.

AA's longhaul Y product - particularly on the 767s - has beyond atrophied. AA clearly had no interest in investing anything into the 767 Y cabins, likely precisely because AA was waiting for the 787s to come along. Thus why I agree these jets will likely be prioritized first to markets where competitive and/or economic dynamics are strongest - like Europe.

Quoting cjpmaestro (Reply 35):
Speaking of PHL - could they use the 787 on the long overdue PHL - Asia route?

Personally, I think a PHL-NRT flight is a matter of when, not if, given AA's JV with JAL and now the huge AA hub in PHL that provides extensive connectivity throughout the eastern U.S. The 787 seems like an appropriate fit for the market.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 37):
Didn't AA operate that route with a 757 out of ORD?

I do not believe AA has ever operated scheduled service to EDI, and I do not believe AA's service to GLA (which operated for years up until shortly after 9/11) was ever operated with a 757. I'm pretty sure ORD-GLA was only ever operated with a 767 (-200ER and -300ER).

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:47 pm

At least the US 762s have the leather seats in Y. They're actually not too bad.

Of course I can't tell you the last time I sat in Y on a US 762, but I digress....

rotating14 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:58 pm

I read earlier that a handful of current 787 operators are using their planes to fly routes that already have other carriers on the same routes. If such is the case, I'm curious why MIA hasn't been been mentioned more. Im not exactly sure how many 763's or 762's are used on S. American destinations as I'm sure 75's and 738's cover a good portion of that region's route map.

MAH4546 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting tcxdegsy (Reply 28):
Bearing in mind the airport will start ORD with UA, Philly with US and Doha with Qatar this year, and already have year-round flights to JFK with UA, and seasonal YYZ with AC Rouge... AA would probably like to get in on the act in 2015?

AA is in the act. It will soon operate PHLEDI daily, as you mention.

JetBlueCLT · Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:42 pm

CLT-HNL would actually make more economical sense with the 787. I'm not saying this will happen but if there going to take another chance with it, the 787 would be the perfect fit.

ORDTLV2414 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:47 pm

Defiently think the first order will probably be LAX based, but could see them being put at ORD/JFK to serve smaller european markets. It could defiently be used on ORD-TLV,ORD-BCN, ORD-HEL. Also put it on JFK-ZRH and Geneva.

777STL · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 42):
CLT-HNL would actually make more economical sense with the 787. I'm not saying this will happen but if there going to take another chance with it, the 787 would be the perfect fit.

Not if the 787 is in a three class configuration, it would be far too premium.

And if it's two class, I'm not sure what sort of message it sends when your willing to continue sending those scummy 763s across the pond on international routes when you reserve your latest and greatest to fly low yielding tourists to Hawaii.

No, more than likely, the Hawaii routes will be the last routes served by the 763. Flying 787s to Hawaii is just a waste of capability when the 763s are perfect for the route. If you see anything replace the 763s in the long term, my money is on the PMUS A330s.

MAH4546 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 42):

CLT-HNL would actually make more economical sense with the 787. I'm not saying this will happen but if there going to take another chance with it, the 787 would be the perfect fit.

The plane will be configured with a high-yield, premium product. Using the 787 on CLTHNL is far from the perfect fit from a network stand point, because you are using your most premium business class product on a junk yield route to Hawai'i.

The 763 is the best fit if AA wanted to get back into the market - but it would be just as bad a disaster as it was for PMUS.

bobnwa · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:10 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
Not to use the 787 on the same old routes. Like GRU, LHR, etc..

If AA feels that can make a profit with the 787 flying "the same old routes" then that is what they should do.

commavia · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:11 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 42):
CLT-HNL would actually make more economical sense with the 787.

Well, okay, setting aside the fact that the 787 will almost certainly be configured in a way that does not fit a market like CLT-HNL, perhaps it's fair to say that given the 787's superior economics a CLT-HNL flight makes "more sense" - it made zero sense before, so perhaps it makes infinitesimally more sense with a 787. Bottom line: CLT-HNL makes essentially no sense now nor in the future. It's not a large market, offers minimal connectivity not already covered by DFW, and its an extremely long flight for what would almost certainly be low yields. It would be a total waste of a plane - whether that plane were a 787, 767 or something else.

[Edited 2014-04-20 13:12:41]

MesaFlyGuy · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting tcxdegsy (Reply 28):

Slight correction; the UA flights are to EWR.

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 43):

As stated above the first crews being trained on the 787 are NYC crews, so it appears that the first few will be running out of JFK.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 42):

I don't really see the need for CLT-HNL. They will have the HNL market served from DFW and PHX and those who want to go to/from places that aren't served from those are likely taking HA, DL or UA. if they want to fly AA that badly, they'll make a double connection.

[Edited 2014-04-20 13:16:56]

MAH4546 · Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 48):
They will have the HNL market served from DFW and PHX and those who want to go to/from places that aren't served from those are likely taking HA, DL or UA. if they want to fly AA that badly, they'll make a double connection.

And LAX, which is where AA focuses the majority of its Hawai'i capacity.

ORDHNL has been discontinued as the plane goes to a second daily DFWOGG.

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