jetset
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Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:30 am

Just thinking that it's a little ironic that the US DoD continues to charter Volga AN124's even with this tough talk coming from the White House regarding more US sanctions against Russia. You would think that the last company the US DoD would be doing business with right now would be from Russia!

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[Edited 2014-04-20 05:03:55]
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:28 pm

These contracts were signed years ago. The USAF would have to pay whether the aircraft fly or not.
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:13 pm

Think of it this way - the US DoD is using Russia. It would cost much more for the DoD to use a C-5, so why not talk tough with Russia AND have them save you money? Its just good business.
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Isn't the actual contract with FedEx, and they are the one who charters out the work they cannot do?
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:02 pm

Call it what YOU want, but the boss in the White House steps in front of the microphones almost daily talking tough and says more sanctions are needed and coming, but down the road at The Pentagon they continue to write cheques out to a Russian buisness to move goverment assets. Anywhere else in the world it's called a Double Standard.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:01 pm

Quoting jetset (Reply 4):

It's called politics and it often makes for very strange bedfellows. Even during the Cold War we purchased a great many things from the USSR, including Titanium, which was used to build fighter jets to fight the USSR, and the SR-71 and U-2s, which were used to spy on the USSR.

So, this is nothing new, it is in fact, just business.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:18 pm

Until there´re no sanctions, why to cancel the contracts?? then after we will see what can they do.

They are not the only ones to operate the planes, but I´m not sure if it´s easy to find such a big volume planes on short notice, so I don´t think it will be so easy if they have to cancel.

Quoting jetset (Thread starter):
You would think that the last company the US DoD would be doing business with right now would be from Russia!

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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 3):

Isn't the actual contract with FedEx, and they are the one who charters out the work they cannot do?

  
Yes contract is with the winning US TRANSCOM team, which then subcontracts the flying.

For instance Atlas Air turns around and sub contracts the bulk of its Afghanistan flying to such operators.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:19 pm

I seriously doubt anything carried on board the AN124 is classified. It's probably carrying non-essential cargo which frees up room on the C-5's and C-17's to carry essential equipment for the battlefield.
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:47 pm

The AN-124s are also used to ship large military equipment bought here in the US for foreign countries. Here at PBI, we see the AN-124s picking up Blackhawk helicopters for foreign countries all the time.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 8):

That's exactly it. The US and Russia are not fierce enemies. Both provide essential services to each other which allows for the mutual benefit of both countries. Now, if the US was engaged in business dealings with Iran or North Korea I'd be worried. The AN-124 is a one of a kind aircraft that serves a purpose for whoever charters it.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:20 pm

I'd say it's the problem with sanctions against Russia, they actually hurt us a lot, or even more than Russia itself. Well from what is happening it seems it hurts Russia more, but we don't really want to bear any hurting at the moment, especially in Europe. The US might be willing to go farther, at least that's what Russian oligarchs seem to think, they're moving their money from the US to Brussels at the moment !

Business will continue as long as it is legal and even a bit more, now I'm sure US politicians could force the military to cancel the contract if they found it unpalatable.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:15 am

Why not. THey have plenty of sub-companies and office in the USA. Volga's is in sub-urban Houston and IIRC they have on in Chicago for AirBridge also.

Not a big deal at this point.

There is a giant space station that the two work on together also, that is not going to change anytime soon either.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:20 am

You'll also see an AN-124 in KONT very frequently. In fact, there was one here just the other day for 3 days. And before that, 2 for what seemed like 3 weeks!?
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:20 am

I think that an An124 can carry cargo that is to large for a C-5.We have been seeing them in HSV since about 1992.
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:10 am

Quoting jetset (Reply 4):
Call it what YOU want, but the boss in the White House steps in front of the microphones almost daily talking tough and says more sanctions are needed and coming, but down the road at The Pentagon they continue to write cheques out to a Russian buisness to move goverment assets. Anywhere else in the world it's called a Double Standard.
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call it what it IS !! Business !!! the contract is held by FEDEX, Volga is a SUB Contractor Got it?? Nobody in the US GOVT contracted Volga, Just like FOX NEWS you got this wrong TOO!!
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:13 am

Even United has contracted Volga to move assebled PW 4090's to Asia when we beeded to do an engine change,.
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:52 am

Even if the contract was directly with Volger, the current US sanctions are against individuals associated with the Putin administration, not the entire country.

Assuming that Volger has no links to the government then they are 100% clear.
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
It would cost much more for the DoD to use a C-5, so why not talk tough with Russia AND have them save you money?

I'm shocked, shocked... The two aircraft are roughly equivalent in size and mission, and Russian aircraft are not known for their cost competitiveness. Are they saving money on labor?
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:02 pm

Are these subcontracts done on an individual basis or are the companies hired on an as-needed basis for a calendar period? Who else runs the AN124 commercially, doesn't Antonov's cargo division?
 
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RE: Volga AN124 / US DoD Flights

Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:05 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 18):

I don't think so. My guess is that it has to do with Volga Dnepr being a commercial entity and the C-5 being operated by the military and not a commercial structure.

It's quite common that you see a company that is in the business of making money and efficiency give a better deal than a government structure that could care less about this.

I doubt labour costs play a big factor as Russian pilots these days make as much if not more than some of their western counterparts. Also the C-5 isn't a new machine. I doubt it is much more efficient than a An-124 (if at all, many of Volga's An's have gone through a modernization program.)
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