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Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:32 am

I know they made some changes to the schedule. So what are the current B 747-400 flights?

Any chance of resuming the B 747-400 on the ORD-HKG-SIN run?
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:54 am

Current United 744 routes are

SFO-FRA
SFO-HKG
SFO-ICN
SFO-NRT X2 DAILY
SFO-PEK
SFO-PVG

HNL-NRT

ORD-FRA
ORD-NRT
ORD-PVG

With N194UA dedicated to Charters mainly military.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:39 am

Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly...         
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:49 am

Wonder if we will see the B 747-400s back on the ORD-HKG-SIN run. They switched it to a B 777-200ER due to the fact that they wanted to concentrate all B 747-400s in SFO and LAX but it didn't work.......

Why not upgrade N194UA and have an extra B 747-400 running?
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly.

Yet, there are threads and threads on the topic of how unreliable those flights where and how bad the amenities they are compared to the competition!

This is what makes any decision UA does a no-win situation.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Wonder if we will see the B 747-400s back on the ORD-HKG-SIN run. They switched it to a B 777-200ER due to the fact that they wanted to concentrate all B 747-400s in SFO and LAX but it didn't work.......

Why not upgrade N194UA and have an extra B 747-400 running?


A couple reasons spring to mind. First, adding one frame wouldn't be enough to operate ORD-HKG as a 744 daily in both directions, let along with the tag on. Second, with CX now operating ORD-HKG, there's not as much need for lift on the route any more.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):
Second, with CX now operating ORD-HKG, there's not as much need for lift on the route any more.

Third, UA compares badly to the product offering by CX on their 77Ws. The 772ER compares much more favorably in terms of the hard product and keeping the seat count down helps keep the fares up a bit.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly...         

I flew on UA's 747-400s about a year ago (April 2013), SFO-SYD, SYD-LAX. Seats 1K and 1A respectively. Heaven…

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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:56 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 4):
Yet, there are threads and threads on the topic of how unreliable those flights where and how bad the amenities they are compared to the competition!

Correct and reliability on SYD with the 777 over the last few weeks has been a lot better. Most of the recent delays have been departure delays for SYD curfew. Personally I'm very happy with the transition to the 777.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:14 pm

Unfortunately or fortunately they probably won't run a B744 on the run you want, I have the feeling that you are going to be taking that flight but I believe that you would like the B777 in their new business class which I find to be better than the B744 experience.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):

The 747 and 777 have the same Business class.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting TakeOff (Reply 7):
Seats 1K and 1A

Keeping the sun out of your eyes, huh?

How many degrees off centerline can you see out the windows? I don't suppose you can see straight ahead.

I've never gotten the front seats, the best I've gotten were 4A (most recent) and 3K on Delta.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:18 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 4):
This is what makes any decision UA does a no-win situation.

Amen to that.

15 hours sucks in Y, Y+ and is better in J, but it still sucks. Never done it in F. Have had nice flights on UA 895/896 in Y and have had no-so-nice flights on UA 117/116 in J...
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:56 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly...

The 772 is a better ride than the 744 in Y. In C and F it is good but it has a poorer ratio to Y. The 744 Y seats are 1" narrower and lack VOD.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
How many degrees off centerline can you see out the windows? I don't suppose you can see straight ahead.

I am not sure how many degrees off of centerline the view is but you can see almost straight ahead.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 4):
Yet, there are threads and threads on the topic of how unreliable those flights where and how bad the amenities they are compared to the competition!

This is what makes any decision UA does a no-win situation.

Correct! What they have done is the right move IMO given that they will start LAX-MEL with the 789 later this year. At least their old product is now more comparable to other carriers on the route and all pax get PTVs... I just miss seeing and hearing the mighty 747, that is all. However, if the product was the same on the UA747 and UA777 I would pick the 747 on such a long flight...

Quoting as739x (Reply 8):
Correct and reliability on SYD with the 777 over the last few weeks has been a lot better. Most of the recent delays have been departure delays for SYD curfew.

Glad to hear because the one day I checked last week both flights departed SYD almost 2 hrs late...

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 13):
The 772 is a better ride than the 744 in Y. In C and F it is good but it has a poorer ratio to Y. The 744 Y seats are 1" narrower and lack VOD.

Agreed. The only part of the ride that is not better is the takeoff and landing  

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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:22 am

What's the planned retired dates for those aircraft? Having flown several times in Y+ in the past 6 months, I can attest that coach is in sore need of a refurb. But even if they could squeeze in a few more rows with thinner seats, I'm not sure they'd see any payback before it was time to send them to the desert.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:08 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 12):
15 hours sucks in Y, Y+ and is better in J, but it still sucks. Never done it in F. Have had nice flights on UA 895/896 in Y and have had no-so-nice flights on UA 117/116 in J...

I've done 895/896 in J on both the 744 (several times) and the 772 (once). Far nicer on either than on 117 (PmCO 772). Most recent for 895/896 was last summer and 116/117 was late 2012. Big difference between PmCO and PmUA.

Can anyone with experience on both 116/117 and 895/896 *recently* confirm that they've become more consistent, if not better?

And yes, the upgrade opportunities on the 744 were much better than the 772. (10 more J seats!)
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:44 am

So 24 Aircraft to fly ten routes ?


Doesn't seem these aircraft are exactly overutilized.
Very strange decision to take them off the SYD /MEL route and replace them with lower capacity triple 7's


And now they plan to use the widebody RJ.


Might as well just send everyone to Qantas and Virgin A.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
Very strange decision to take them off the SYD /MEL route and replace them with lower capacity triple 7's

The issue is that the 744s were/are notoriously unreliable, pax experience in Y was hands-down the worst among the four players on a very competitive route, and UA is adding LAX-MEL later this year. So northern summer capacity (winter in AUS/NZ) is down, but southern summer will see a bit of an increase yoy with 777/777/6x 789 vs 744/744.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):

So 24 Aircraft to fly ten routes ?

Most of those routes need 2 aircraft with some needing 3 with an aircraft RON in Asia. So they would need atleast 18-19 without a spare for those 10 routes.

Is there not a SFO-LHR rotation? And SFO-FRA just single daily? Or 2 daily?
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 19):

SFO-LHR is currently a 772, it had been a 744 for a little while, but I think that ended a few months ago.

There is also 1x daily SFO-FRA, but LH flies it with the 744 as well.

And while there are 24 aircraft, 1 is not in scheduled service.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:11 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 19):
Most of those routes need 2 aircraft with some needing 3 with an aircraft RON in Asia. So they would need atleast 18-19 without a spare for those 10 routes.

so they could potentially have 5 spares laying around, which would be nice since their reliability is awful, but...

Quoting UA444 (Reply 20):
And while there are 24 aircraft, 1 is not in scheduled service.

There is that pesky charter aircraft again! haha I wonder if the day will come that it will have to be converted back into scheduled service because of reliability issues?
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:40 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
Keeping the sun out of your eyes, huh?

How many degrees off centerline can you see out the windows? I don't suppose you can see straight ahead.

I've never gotten the front seats, the best I've gotten were 4A (most recent) and 3K on Delta.

I flew 1K and 1A as well respectively on SFO-PVG a year ago, It is still more like flying the Spirit of Saint Louis without a periscope. But the taxi view is nicer, yet still I prefer wing view which you really can't get in F on most 3 class aircraft.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:37 pm

Any reason why UA isn't flying their B747-400 to EZE.
With U:S. - Argentina frequency restrictions,. it might solve some capacity issues.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:01 pm

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 15):
What's the planned retired dates for those aircraft?

Projected fleet count at end of year:
2014 - 23
2015 - 22
2016 - 20
2017 - 16
2018 - 13

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 21):
There is that pesky charter aircraft again! haha I wonder if the day will come that it will have to be converted back into scheduled service because of reliability issues?

Wont happen. Cabin is not fitted with the new premium product.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):

Wont happen. Cabin is not fitted with the new premium product

Refit it then
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:14 am

They've made cameo appearances at BWI as troop charters. BWI to Germany and other military installations.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:02 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):
Projected fleet count at end of year:
2014 - 23
2015 - 22
2016 - 20
2017 - 16
2018 - 13

Thanks, but that's clearly the problem now. Half the fleet will be gone in 2 1/2 years and the rest a year later. No way UA could stand the revenue hit from taking the aircraft out of service or the cost of a new interior. If they had started 5 years ago, it might have made sense.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:23 am

They should keep them for a while longer
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:25 am

Why they do not fly them to DXB, maybe they can secure a deal with the army and keep flying them to GCC via DXB
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:27 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
So 24 Aircraft to fly ten routes ?


Arriving at SFO from Narita on 23 March ~11:00am, I counted a total of 12 UA 744 at the gates and the remote bay. I assume this is a typical day as all routes are daily.
Does it seem a lot?
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:35 am

Quoting olympic472 (Reply 30):
Arriving at SFO from Narita on 23 March ~11:00am, I counted a total of 12 UA 744 at the gates and the remote bay. I assume this is a typical day as all routes are daily.
Does it seem a lot?

No, my point is I think they could work them a bit harder with another route or two.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 19):
And SFO-FRA just single daily? Or 2 daily?

The second daily UA flight starts in May. During summer peak time it will be two daily UA 744 and one daily LH 388.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly...

Being nearest SFO, I for one rejoiced. It's awful having QF leave, then have what is probably one of the worst Y 747 services in the world as the only option.
...I'll probably rejoice even more when the UA 744's either reach the desert, or undergo a freight conversion.


Anyhow, there was mention of SFO-LHR on a 744. I thought they brought it back recently... I see quite a few summer UA SFO-LHR flights using a 744 on various searches.

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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 33):
Anyhow, there was mention of SFO-LHR on a 744. I thought they brought it back recently... I see quite a few summer UA SFO-LHR flights using a 744 on various searches.

I know this past August when I flew SFO-SYD, I noticed my plane was arriving from LHR. It was gthe Star Alliance plane btw.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:47 pm

One of the two SFO-LHR services is a B744 for peak summer.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:05 am

Speaking of UA 744's the past two days I have noticed on Flight Aware that 2 UA 744's have flown from HNL to VCV as UA 1884 and then depart back to HNL as UA 1896. Surely these aren't scheduled services, and I am pretty sure that UA uses 18xx for their charter flights. Any news?
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:35 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 33):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
Not to SYD & MEL anymore, sadly...

Being nearest SFO, I for one rejoiced. It's awful having QF leave, then have what is probably one of the worst Y 747 services in the world as the only option.

I wonder if QF will resume the SYD-SFO route or if another carrier would pick it up?
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:14 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 37):
I wonder if QF will resume the SYD-SFO route or if another carrier would pick it up?

That would be heavenly, *maybe* with a 788, but it seems unlikely given the lack of oneworld interest in SFO.

Perhaps Virgin Australia, given the presence of Virgin America, with an infrastructure for connections already existing?

I also wouldn't mind seeing an SFO-BNE with some carrier. Seems an easy route for a 788, probably United, but would also be awesome if Virgin Australia would pick up some 788's.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:48 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 38):
That would be heavenly, *maybe* with a 788, but it seems unlikely given the lack of oneworld interest in SFO.

Perhaps Virgin Australia, given the presence of Virgin America, with an infrastructure for connections already existing?

I also wouldn't mind seeing an SFO-BNE with some carrier. Seems an easy route for a 788, probably United, but would also be awesome if Virgin Australia would pick up some 788's.

I was thinking SYD-SFO would be a good route for Virgin Australia as well (makes more sense IMO than Abu Dhabi). Maybe there is also a SFO-MEL market? UA will start LAX-MEL in a few months with the 789. But, I don't think UA would do both LAX-MEL and SFO-MEL for some time, and I don't think QF would do SFO-MEL or SFO-BNE before doing SFO-SYD again. Virgin Australia doesn't even do SYD-SFO so I can't see them doing SFO-MEL or SFO-BNE before doing SFO-SYD. Whilst the 788 is perfect for routes like this out of SFO, who would be most likely do them? UA and eventually QF will be the ones with the 787s. Also, given that UA will send its MEL flight from LAX, does that mean a possible future flight to BNE would also go from LAX? If not, what influences their decision regarding sending the flights to Australia out of either LAX or SFO (as SFO is the bigger Hub but I assume LAX has more traffic)?
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:22 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 39):

Now that I think on it a bit more... I think that VA could potentially compete with UA on the SFO-SYD, using a 77W, thanks to the Virgin America presence... But on the other hand, Virgin America is still quite small, whether or not that would be enough to fill a 77W is another question... Undoubtedly it'd be so much nicer than connecting through LAX, but with LAX hubbed-like-crazy by more domestic airlines than not (possible exaggeration), I suppose it's kind of grim for SFO... Still I think Virgin Australia would stand better chance than QF did, thanks to the presence of a partner.
If they had anything smaller than a 77W then I'd think it'd be a no-brainer,

I'm going on the assumption that QF ditched SFO due to the lack of connecting traffic, whereas DFW and LAX have AA.

As for an SFO - BNE or MEL, I think QF could potentially consider it with a 788, depending on the connecting traffic to the rest of Australia, but if SYD didn't work I doubt that the others would work. It'd mostly likely be a UA 788 thing, which I think would work.

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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:14 am

Quoting Iceman44 (Reply 36):

Speaking of UA 744's the past two days I have noticed on Flight Aware that 2 UA 744's have flown from HNL to VCV as UA 1884 and then depart back to HNL as UA 1896. Surely these aren't scheduled services, and I am pretty sure that UA uses 18xx for their charter flights. Any news?

That will be N194UA on charters probably military related.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 10):
The 747 and 777 have the same Business class.


I said that the experience is better in the 777 than the 747, they maybe the same but the aircraft is definitely different. Actually I have stopped flying UA altogether. Terrible airline to fly, and bad connections.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:32 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 42):
I said that the experience is better in the 777 than the 747

I mostly agree - but... The takeoff and landing in the 747 is much better (probably the only experiences in the 747 that beat the 777 - maybe turbulence too)...  
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:42 am

Hope UA will go for the A380/B747-8
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:23 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 44):
Hope UA will go for the A380/B747-8

I have lost count of the number of times I have seen these very same lines from you, in apparently total disregard of the information and arguments provided in these very similar threads by the many people with lots of insight into this matter. Yet apparently undisturbed by the facts, you keep on coming up with these statements without ever providing any relevant support for them.

So given all of the information provided in just this one thread, why do you still believe that UA should go for the A380/B748. Please enlighten me with your insights.
 
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:47 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 44):
Hope UA will go for the A380/B747-8

You should stop with these statements. UA is in no way in a position to purchase such large aircraft.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:22 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 46):

Quoting United Airline (Reply 44):
Hope UA will go for the A380/B747-8

You should stop with these statements. UA is in no way in a position to purchase such large aircraft.

Thats not true...UA could easily afford them (money is very cheap to borrow right now and aircraft are easy to finance) however why would they look at the 748/380 when they are too large for their network and they have a large number of 350-1000s and 787s coming online.
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:34 pm

This is kind of off topic, but would a ORD-LAX/SFO-SYD routing ever for for United? Basically just a refueling stop, but also maybe selling tickets on the local segment(s)?
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strfyr51
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RE: Where Does UA Fly Its B 747-400s Now?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:47 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Why not upgrade N194UA and have an extra B 747-400 running?

8194 is dedicated to military charters at the moment.

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