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Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:48 pm

As I was going through Emirates 24/7. I noticed an article with an interesting title, "World is full of opportunities: Mohammed.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai, arrived in Mexico City on Sunday Morning. They plan to stay in Mexico for 2 days.

Sheikh Mohammed said on Twitter, “Today inshallah, we begin an important tour to four South American countries: Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Argentina. We pray to God for success.”

“We have investments in South America. We opened air routes and increased our trade with the region's countries. And today, we want to link them with the Far East via UAE.

This is very interesting.. Sounds like EK is planning MEX and more South American destinations. Makes logical sense. To me at least.

What do you think EK will do?

http://www.emirates247.com/news/gove...ities-mohammed-2014-04-21-1.546302

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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:53 pm

Even the 777-200LR will not be able to make MEX-DXB because of the high elevation of MEX. They would have to go via Europe or somewhere in N.A.
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:57 pm

The altitude is a problem. Its going to have to be via a third party city.

That said, MEX-Gulf is a huge gaping hole in the network. The question is, what city could they fly through? Im not sure it will be a city in the US because of the visa issue.
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:01 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
“Today inshallah, we begin an important tour to four South American countries: Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Argentina. We pray to God for success.”

Ohh, exciting...! But well, maybe we must let them know that their tour is actually through one North American country and three South American countries.

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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:04 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
The question is, what city could they fly through? Im not sure it will be a city in the US because of the visa issue.

Well, maybe a stopover in Cancun back to Dubai would be the answer...

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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:23 pm

I think these are the type of routes where the 778 will shine. Basically linking the entire Western half of the Americas and the Middle East.

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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:28 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 5):

But will they wait to get that aircraft to launch such routes? If yes maybe QR/EY can take advantage. Is the 788 capable of such missions from DOH/AUH?
 
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:36 pm

Quoting wzafar (Reply 6):
Is the 788 capable of such missions from DOH/AUH?

No it will fall short a few hundred miles.
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:00 pm

Quoting wzafar (Reply 6):
But will they wait to get that aircraft to launch such routes? If yes maybe QR/EY can take advantage. Is the 788 capable of such missions from DOH/AUH?

I am sure EK will launch such missions as soon as they have enough 77Ws/77Ls and they feel there is enough demand. Then when the 778s come on board they can fly these routes with less restrictions/more cargo for more profit. I don't really see the 778 necessarily opening new routes for the ME3, rather just making existing routes more profitable.

A low density A359/789 could do some of these longer routes as well before the 778 comes on board.

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Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:02 pm

EZE and anything in Brazil should be ok from DXB. MEX and SCL will probably be a tag on though from an existing service, like GRU.

Here is an idea that is a long shot but hey, that is what this board is for! What about an EK mini-hub somewhere. Though it is not clear to me where exactly. It could be a place like LAG or ACC, from a geographic perspective, though they are probably not the best for security and safety which EK will want to keep clean. The Brazilian airports are somewhat constrained and would be tough. Or, how about the Atlantic islands? Canary Islands could be possible, but what about Cape Verde? Im sure Cape Verde would love to have EK investment for services into the Americas, and from a bilateral perspective would probably open up to EK. I have to confess, I know little about the area, so there could be real issues, but it sounds interesting to start with...
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:02 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 4):
Well, maybe a stopover in Cancun back to Dubai would be the answer...

Realistically, I believe that is the only way they could do it, given how protective Mexico is with its 5th. freedom rights.
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:28 pm

How about 5th freedom DXB-PTY-MEX-PTY-DXB?
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 5):
I think these are the type of routes where the 778 will shine.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):
Then when the 778s come on board they can fly these routes with less restrictions/more cargo for more profit.

What is the 778? I thought it was the 777-900X
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:36 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 12):
What is the 778?

The 778 is the shorter of the two new planned 77Xs and has the longer range. The 778 is between the size of the current 772 & 773 whereas the 779 is longer than the 773. I'd call the 778 a 77L on steroids and the 779 a 77W on steroids  
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
How about 5th freedom DXB-PTY-MEX-PTY-DXB?

Mexico generally does not award 5th freedom rights. That's the problem.
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:40 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 13):
The 778 is the shorter of the two new planned 77Xs and has the longer range. The 778 is between the size of the current 772 & 773 whereas the 779 is longer than the 773. I'd call the 778 a 77L on steroids and the 779 a 77W on steroids  

Oh thanks for this. I guess I was so mesmerized by the 777-9X that I might have overlooked the 778  .
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:43 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 4):
Well, maybe a stopover in Cancun back to Dubai would be the answer...

Good call, I guess CUN could be the place where they fill the 777 with fuel and do the big hop.... it would be cool to se EK flying to MEX.
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:48 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 15):
Oh thanks for this. I guess I was so mesmerized by the 777-9X that I might have overlooked the 778

No worries mate! That's not surprising given that the 779 should be the longest commercial aircraft in the skies given that it will be a full 9 inches longer than the 748 which currently holds that record lol! I wonder if Boeing intentionally did this as well as making the 748 3 feet longer than the 346 which previously held the length record?

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:06 am

Within México, EK has 3 airports to choose where to stop en-route MEX-DXB: CUN, MTY and GDL. (in order of altitude).
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
Within México, EK has 3 airports to choose where to stop en-route MEX-DXB: CUN, MTY and GDL. (in order of altitude).

Can't they do it from JFK? BOS?

Also.. I do remember that EY wanted to start AUH-MIA-MEX but EY is no EK. Just saying. Ideas for EK. Lol JK. I'm sure EK will do better with DXB-JFK-MEX for example

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 13):

I would characterize the 778 as a 77W on steroids as they are much closer in size than the 77L.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:16 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 19):
Can't they do it from JFK? BOS?

An EK MEX flight stop in U.S.A. would force Mexicans (and many other nationals) have U.S. visas to fly on that flight. Same applies if via Canada, Canadian visa a must.
For EK MEX service is either triangle route in Mexico or routed via an European airport which won't make the Mexican airline feel be threatened to deny 5th freedom traffic rights.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:44 am

Wouldn't it make sense for EK to go via Spain? Could they also get 5th freedom rights between Spain and Mexico?. They seem to be doing it elsewhere, so why not here. Though I'm not sure what the agreements between the countries are. There is an interesting thread on now about 5th Freedom rights.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:53 am

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 22):
Wouldn't it make sense for EK to go via Spain? Could they also get 5th freedom rights between Spain and Mexico?. They seem to be doing it elsewhere, so why not here. Though I'm not sure what the agreements between the countries are. There is an interesting thread on now about 5th Freedom rights.

Spain is IB´s and AM´s bread and butter international market. Fifth freedom rights will never be awarded to a carrier from outside these two countries to fly between them.

Remember MH LAX-MEX?

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:55 am

I'm not that knowledgeable about route structure but I thought about EK's flight from DXB-SEA and then connect it to either MEX, CUN, MTY, or GDL. Just a thought.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:15 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem in MEX is the engine-out performance at the altitude, right? If so, why couldn't EK just use one of their A345s? Would it not have enough range and engine-down performance?
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:24 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 20):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 13):

I would characterize the 778 as a 77W on steroids as they are much closer in size than the 77L.

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Length of the 777s:

772/E/L/F - 63.7 m.
778 - 69.5 m.
773/W - 73.9 m.
779 - 76.5 m.

Given that the 778 is not as long as the 77W it can't be a 77W on steroids (unless we refer to that one powerplant that steroids have known to make shrink)  

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:44 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 26):

Funny indeed. In all seriousness though you will notice that the length is more similar to the 77W than the 77L. Also the 778 will have one less A door which should add seating. additionally, the majority of delivered 77Ws have been 9 abreast while the 778 is almost certainly going to be marketed as 10 abreast making up much of any capacity shortcoming for length. Finally, the 778 has a similar amount of LD3 positions (40) compared to the 77W (44) than the 77L (32).

In short a 9 abreast 77W operator will fly a very similar number of passengers in a 10-abreast 778 and 90% of the cargo ~1,500nm further in a 778 than a 77W. Very few 77L operators are in 10-abreast (only 2 come to mind) so the 778 would be a very large step up in comparison.


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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:51 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 27):
the 778 is almost certainly going to be marketed as 10 abreast

Then will the 779 also be marketed as 10 abreast? I agree with your points. I just don't compare a 10 abreast 778 with a 9 abreast 77W (despite this being what will most likely happen). I will compare a 10 abreast 778 with a 10 abreast 77W (which plenty of airlines have) or 9 abreast between the two types. I called the 778 the 77L on steroids because they are the shorter of the two variants with the most range. The 779 and 77W are the longer frames with less range. That is all. Airlines will configure them however they like.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:11 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 28):

I agree that conceptually the 778 is the long range shrink and therefore it is conceptually similar to the 77L. I also feel that talking the merits of which aircraft is similar to which is futile really. We are really just speaking of semantics. I think Boeings wants to say the 779 is in a class by itself so they can convince airlines that it really needs to be in every fleet including those that may have ordered the A351.

However it is important to note that 9 abreast 77W operators have ordered the 779 and I see virtually no reason to buy the 779 over the a351 if you don't go 10abreast as the seating advantage would negated and the 779 would be heavier and more expensive. I therefore conclude that ANA, CX, QR, and LH are going to operate it in 10-abreast and that is enough of an industry mandate for me. I suspect it will be rare to find a 9abreast 777x

With that in mind and knowing that most 777 operators are 9-abreast I choose to think of the 778 as being similar in capacity to the 77W than the 77L. But, as you reference, all that matters is how airlines see it so we are being a little silly.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:48 am

Could EK start MEX with their A345's then if the 77L can't op this route non-stop ?
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:56 am

AFAIR Turkish wanted to fly IST-HAV-MEX.

I can't see Emirates flying to Cuba at the moment (too of a small/tourism oriented market), but wouldn't it be possible to route it through a 3rd Central American country? I was thinking about DXB-PTY-MEX. Not ideal in terms of detour, but I guess Panama has more liberal policies regarding foreign carriers, and it is probably the most business-oriented country in the region. They have got TAP and Air France recently so I assume the market is growing. A partnership with Copa could be beneficial for both Emirates (to feed the flight) and for Copa (since EK would not really be competing in any route and could get more passengers from LATAM to Asia through their Panama hub).

As for Brazil, I wonder where they could fly other than GRU and GIG. Outside those two cities, I assume the market gets very small very quickly. Even BSB has only connections to LIS and now CDG.

I can see though GIG getting a dedicated flight (currently it is flown DXB-GIG-EZE), and getting a direct flight DXB-EZE continuing to SCL. That would be an interesting move.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:49 am

EK is currently operation 77F's into MEX from Europe and the US.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:20 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 30):
Could EK start MEX with their A345's then if the 77L can't op this route non-stop ?

Very unlikely given these have an outdated product and are leaving the fleet as the leases expire.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:02 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 32):
EK is currently operation 77F's into MEX from Europe and the US.

A non stop to DXB would require an additional 45t of fuel, which given MEX's elevation would be impossible.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 34):

A non stop to DXB would require an additional 45t of fuel, which given MEX's elevation would be impossible

I know that. My post was only a statement of fact that they already have ops to MEX.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:18 pm

I think the best option is routing via an existing point in Europe, but getting the 5th freedom is the issue here, they could serve, via Milan like they do NYC, or maybe via Germany, However I think they don´t have more rights to operate to Germany.
What about via LGW?? that could be a nice addition for London and Mexico D.F,

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 31):
I can see though GIG getting a dedicated flight (currently it is flown DXB-GIG-EZE), and getting a direct flight DXB-EZE continuing to SCL. That would be an interesting move.

I think we can see that, but not long ago someone was saying here that EK was planning to add flights to GRU, so why not extending to SCL after GRU??

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 31):
As for Brazil, I wonder where they could fly other than GRU and GIG. Outside those two cities, I assume the market gets very small very quickly. Even BSB has only connections to LIS and now CDG.

I don´t see EK out of GRU and GIG, to make profit in ULR the yields have to high, and getting a partner via GRU I think it will be smarter.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:51 pm

I was hoping TK would beat Emirates to Mexico and other Latin American markets.  
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:55 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Sheikh Mohammed said on Twitter, “Today inshallah, we begin an important tour to four South American countries: Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Argentina. We pray to God for success.”

First of all, someone should tell the Sheikh that Mexico is in North America ! ..........But moving on......

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
MEX-Gulf is a huge gaping hole in the network


Says who, His Highness the Sheikh? Am i the only one who thinks EK has little to no business in MEX, as far as passenger flights are concerned?

What is the O&D between MEX and DXB? And what would the yields be on such a long route? Something tells me both numbers aren't too high!

Also, what benefits does EK bring to a Mexican traveller in terms of connections? Seems to me the Far East is better served via AM to NRT and PVG, and Europe/Africa etc better served via the European hubs.

I don't think we will see EK in MEX. Too long and too complicated to make it work. They should stick to their cargo flight, as that is where the money is for EK in Mexico.

Quoting ChiSky16 (Reply 37):
I was hoping TK would beat Emirates to Mexico and other Latin American markets.

They will. The economics for TK is much better than for EK.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 38):
First of all, someone should tell the Sheikh that Mexico is in North America ! ..........But moving on......

Lol.

Quoting ChiSky16 (Reply 37):
I was hoping TK would beat Emirates to Mexico and other Latin American markets.

Really. EK vs TK... EK should win by a long shot
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:31 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 39):
Really. EK vs TK... EK should win by a long shot

IST hub may be ideal for MEX service - only trade off is you lose some Indian subcontinent links.

Doesn't overfly as many Middle East destinations and is good for Central Asia and Eastern Europe as well.

The most important factor - the flight is 1200 miles shorter.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 35):
My post was only a statement of fact that they already have ops to MEX.

Not quite sure, but does the ops to MEX not just begin in August ?
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:07 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 38):
i the only one who thinks EK has little to no business in MEX, as far as passenger flights are concerned?

What is the O&D between MEX and DXB? And what would the yields be on such a long route? Something tells me both numbers aren't too high!

Also, what benefits does EK bring to a Mexican traveller in terms of connections? Seems to me the Far East is better served via AM to NRT and PVG, and Europe/Africa etc better served via the European hubs.

I don't think we will see EK in MEX. Too long and too complicated to make it work. They should stick to their cargo flight, as that is where the money is for EK in Mexico.

I agree. Markets that EK can serve via DXB just aren't big enough to/from Mexico. Markets like India and the rest of South Asia that are EK's major markets to/from the U.S. and Canada are almost non-existent in Mexico. Wikipedia says the Indian community in Mexico numbers about 2,000, compared to about 2.8 million in the U.S. and 1.2 million in Canada.

The only way they could serve Europe is with 5th freedom rights and I can't see how it would be in Mexico's interests to grant them such rights.
 
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:18 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 36):
I think the best option is routing via an existing point in Europe, but getting the 5th freedom is the issue here, they could serve, via Milan like they do NYC, or maybe via Germany, However I think they don´t have more rights to operate to Germany.
What about via LGW?? that could be a nice addition for London and Mexico D.F,

Seems EK DXB-MXP-JFK has an expiration date given by the Italians.
If AM and BA both fly MEX-LHR, doubt Mexico and U.K. would grant EK 5th traffic rights between LON and MEX, unless, and this is a wild guess EK ask for DXB-STN-MEX. STN has been after EK for a while.
It has been mentioned here EK to MEX via Spain, well as long it's neither MAD nor BCN, that sounds like a good idea.

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I think we can see that, but not long ago someone was saying here that EK was planning to add flights to GRU, so why not extending to SCL after GRU??

GRU is slot restricted, EK can't just add another flight to GRU and a tag-on to SCL just like that.
5th freedom rights between GRU and SCL, very likely would be granted by both Brazil and Chile.

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I don´t see EK out of GRU and GIG, to make profit in ULR the yields have to high, and getting a partner via GRU I think it will be smarter.

The major Brazilian cities won't work non-stop from DXB, unless there's a seizable DXB demand from SCL (as a final destination example) and EK needs to fly to SCL via a Brazilian city be BSB, SSA or CNF.
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:29 am

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 3):
actually through one North American country and three South American countries.
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 38):
someone should tell the Sheikh that Mexico is in North America

To cut him some slack, I get the feeling HRH meant to say "Latin America", which most people outside of the Western Hemisphere interpret as anything below the US border, correctly or incorrectly.
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:37 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 43):
Seems EK DXB-MXP-JFK has an expiration date given by the Italians.

I guess we can write off any chances of DXB-MXP-BOS or AUH-MXP-BOS then!  
Quoting ChiSky16 (Reply 37):
I was hoping TK would beat Emirates to Mexico and other Latin American markets.

TK announced its intention to launch MEX via HAV about 12 to 18 months ago ... so maybe we will hear a decision later this year or early 2015.
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:03 am

I thought I heard somewhere about possibly DXB-MAD-MEX or am I just mis-remembering and would that work?
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 21):
For EK MEX service is either triangle route in Mexico or routed via an European airport which won't make the Mexican airline feel be threatened to deny 5th freedom traffic rights.

It depends on which European airport it is. If you are thinking about MAD, BCN, CDG or LHR, then, no chance. AM will lobby hard in order to prevent something like that from happening. If it were a German or an Italian city, then that might work, unless AM were thinking about launching routes to Germany or Italy.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 24):
I'm not that knowledgeable about route structure but I thought about EK's flight from DXB-SEA and then connect it to either MEX, CUN, MTY, or GDL. Just a thought.

Seriously? Man, that is the craziest and most nonsensical detour for a fifth freedom route. SEA is way too north and way too west of MEX (at least 5 hour flight) to make sense. If you want to guess about stopovers, you have to look for airports east of MEX. Otherwise it would just be ridiculous.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 31):
AFAIR Turkish wanted to fly IST-HAV-MEX.

Yes, they did say that, but nothing has transpired. I don't think we should hold our breaths for that. On the one hand, the MEX-HAV leg would be very low-yielding. On the other hand, AM and CU would probably lobby against this.

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 32):
EK is currently operation 77F's into MEX from Europe and the US.

I believe this discussion focuses on passengers, not cargo.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 38):
Am i the only one who thinks EK has little to no business in MEX, as far as passenger flights are concerned?

What is the O&D between MEX and DXB? And what would the yields be on such a long route? Something tells me both numbers aren't too high!

Also, what benefits does EK bring to a Mexican traveller in terms of connections? Seems to me the Far East is better served via AM to NRT and PVG, and Europe/Africa etc better served via the European hubs.

I don't think we will see EK in MEX. Too long and too complicated to make it work. They should stick to their cargo flight, as that is where the money is for EK in Mexico.

I tend to agree with you. MEX is probably a wish for EK, but I don't think there is business sense at this point in time. Even though we will see more Middle Eastern investments in Mexico as a result of the opening of the energy sector, and the discovery by Middle Eastern sovereign funds of the high yield possibilities that certain Mexican industries offer or will offer, that only creates very thin O&D demand. Maybe a few years down the road there will be some business sense. Also, as you mention, Mexico-Europe traffic is better served via U.S. or European hubs (even YYZ). Mexico-Africa traffic is served by U.S. and European carriers. And travel to the Far East is the reason why AM has launched NRT and PVG and can cooperate with DL and MU ex those hubs. Demand for MEX-Central Asia, MEX-Middle East and MEX-India is very, very thin and most likely very low yielding.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 43):
It has been mentioned here EK to MEX via Spain, well as long it's neither MAD nor BCN, that sounds like a good idea.

I don't agree. Traffic between MEX and Spanish cities other than BCN and MAD is low-yielding. Lots of price-sensitive tourists and V.F.R. pasengers. I just don't see SVQ, VLC or BIO working. I just don't. Resort airports like PMI, AGP, LPA, ALC? Forget about it!

Quoting Fiedman (Reply 46):

I thought I heard somewhere about possibly DXB-MAD-MEX or am I just mis-remembering and would that work?

As mentioned, no chance EK or any other carrier would be awarded fifth freedom rights.
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:24 am

Being a Mexican living in the UAE I would love to see this route opening, that would really help on the trips back home  
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 38):
What is the O&D between MEX and DXB? And what would the yields be on such a long route? Something tells me both numbers aren't too high!

We are around 5k mexicans in the UAE, so i guess not much O&D, and a lot of them are in the airline industry so that doesnt help on the ticket sales.

On the other hand, in the last couple of years I have seen the increase of Mexican tourists in the UAE, specifically in Dubai. A lot of them combine their trips/tours of the region (Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, India) with a stop in Dubai. Some tour operators in Dubai have actually hired Mexicans as tour guides.

I am not saying there is a big market to make this flight work, but there is something.

Also there is the cargo...
 
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RE: Emirates To Mexico?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:58 am

Could EY or QR make the route work with their A340s?

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