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AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:10 pm

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10152585_10152035090863062_3951064743293660778_n.jpg
This is the AirTran 717 cabin as it exists today.. rather ratty and trashy. Half of the seatbacks do not recline.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10152644_10152035091708062_3906239248913434415_n.jpg
This is the AirTran 717 cabin of N938AT 2 months after delivery.. Clean, smells good, and everything worked.

Now I realize these planes are going to Delta and when that happens the interiors will be completely done, but is it really necessary to let them fall apart until they get overhauled.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:12 pm

Looks like an average airplane after operating a live flight full of passengers... nothing to see here?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:19 pm

Wouldn't use the word 'trashed' ! Just an aircraft interior under normal wear and tear, and heck, I've seen a lot worse than this !
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:19 pm

Somebody tell me what I am looking at. All I see is different seat cover material.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:22 pm

Quoting Grisee08 (Thread starter):
, but is it really necessary to let them fall apart until they get overhauled.

What exactly do you see is 'falling apart' ?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:08 pm

Well folks, the coach seat covers DO look DISGUSTING.... too much hair grease!

But other than that, it's pretty much normal.
Lots of carriers will lock out a seat hydrolock until.... "maintenance convenience." It's not a safety item, and for a carrier like AirTran, it's not an item of particular concern, either.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:41 pm

Well the carpets seem cleaner in the "trashed" version!!!
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting Grisee08 (Thread starter):
Half of the seatbacks do not recline.

Half? you sure about that?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:51 pm

While I've always noticed that cloth seats seem to look better after a few years than leather, so that could be why the top picture looks so bad.

Plus it's not really fair to compare a picture of a plane at two months old to one that's a decade old.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 8):
While I've always noticed that cloth seats seem to look better after a few years than leather, so that could be why the top picture looks so bad.

My personal opinion: not really true, just compare the inside of an LH shorthaul plane, also heavy used, but I never experienced something like on the pic above. I believe its a question of quality standard and especially in the US this is lacking, sometimes duck tape is used for a too long time until some interior things are repaired.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:18 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 7):

Half? you sure about that?

Did he sit in every seat to test them out?!
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:18 pm

Quoting Grisee08 (Thread starter):
Now I realize these planes are going to Delta and when that happens the interiors will be completely done, but is it really necessary to let them fall apart until they get overhauled.

Does anyone know when this specific 717 is going to DL? Why would Southwest invest the money to refurb the interior if it's leaving the fleet, for example, next month?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:47 pm

Trashed? You clearly have never flown with EV.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:55 pm

Trashed? Are you kidding? Take a photo after a nonstop flight---one flight--between any two cities in America and I will show you trashed! We are pigs!  
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
But other than that, it's pretty much normal.
Lots of carriers will lock out a seat hydrolock until.... "maintenance convenience." It's not a safety item, and for a carrier like AirTran, it's not an item of particular concern, either.

You sure about that? I've gotten chewed out by more than one flight attendant because I won the jackpot on the "select a seat with a broken recline mechanism" lottery, and had to demonstrate to them that the recline mechanism was busted, and that I wasn't trying to recline my seat on takeoff and landing... 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:20 pm

I see no difference ..
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:51 pm

This plane is 10 years old. Does one expect it to look like new after that amount of time?
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:05 pm

The first pic shows nasty, gross, and filthy seats. I wonder how 95% of the responses above would change if this was a UA-owned aircraft.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:21 pm

Where are the dividers between First class and steerage class?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 17):

The first pic shows nasty, gross, and filthy seats. I wonder how 95% of the responses above would change if this was a UA-owned aircraft.

I think the response would be something like, "WOW!!! UA is really taking better care of their aircraft interiors these days!!!!"
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:25 pm

This looks like one of those Slylock Fox comic strips where you have to pick out six increasingly subtle differences between two pictures.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:28 pm

It appears one of the seats has grown an arm and a hand. Wonder what was stuffed into the seatback pocket...
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:28 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 19):
I think the response would be something like, "WOW!!! UA is really taking better care of their aircraft interiors these days!!!!"

I have to admit, this is a good joke, but not more than that.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:51 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 18):
Where are the dividers between First class and steerage class?

They were removed on all AirTran airplanes.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:56 pm

Don't knock the fine "Corinthian Leather" before you try it! Those seat covers were special especially the leather/pleather solid blues. Actually passengers coveted them so much they helped themselves to the coverings to pimp out their rides or living room! The end of an era. I believe they broke the mold and those leather/pleather solid blue covers are appreciating in value. Who knew?   


Just kidding folks. These birds will be completly rehabbed when DL takes them. Actually, the wear and tear is average it's just the different seat cushions add to the ecclectiness.

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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:05 pm

THe lighting is different; brighter, whiter in the "new" photo.

To me, that plane looks pretty clean.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:08 pm

This thread will do a nice job at outing the germophobes and people who think nothing is ever good enough for them. If that plane is disgusting to you, I hope you have fun being scared of every form of mass transportation there is.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:19 pm

I would have to admit the leather seats are nothing fancy, but so many planes look like that, I have a hard time calling them tatty and trashy. In my mind, the seats got tatty and trashy the minute they took out XM Radio.   
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:49 pm

I see only two rather nice and clean planes. But fitted with two very different types of seats. Not only is one with leather and the other with cloth, but the seat structures are also entirely different.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
I've gotten chewed out by more than one flight attendant because I won the jackpot on the "select a seat with a broken recline mechanism" lottery, and had to demonstrate to them that the recline mechanism was busted, and that I wasn't trying to recline my seat on takeoff and landing...

Apples and oranges here. You are talking about broken seats - constantly reclined. The thread starter talks about seats that cannot recline (for whatever reason - there are not that many emergency exits on a 717).

The photos clearly show that both planes have zero broken seats, since they are all in upright position.

In fact 50% non inclining seats is 50% too little. With present day Y class seat pitch and flying short haul you are seriously inconveniencing the passenger behind you when inclining your seat. Polite people haven't pushed that botton since the days of 34-35" pitch. They even teach their children not to slam the seat up and down during the whole flight. More and more airlines have finally found out and equip their Y class with fixed seats.

Only exception is red eye long haul, and then polite people get an agreement from behind before reclining.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 7):
Half? you sure about that?

Nope

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 18):
Where are the dividers between First class and steerage class?

Gone.. I have no idea why.

I apologize to everybody for not being more specific. When I flew on this particular bird, 2 of the sidewall light shades were missing, 1 of the overhead lights was burned out (having flown AirTran for years in the 2000s, I NEVER saw this, meaning they were USUALLY on top of things like that), I was exaggerating a bit about half the seatbacks, but there were a few seats with leather covers, but the cushions were the older fabric (Not uncommon, but still tacky), and the sidewalls themselves were dirty. I guess I am trying to say that it "appeared" as though AirTran is not performing much, if any un-necessary maintenance on the cabins anymore, since they are going to be overhauling them anyway, but I just thought that it was rather unusual. And even though it is 10 years old (I will admit, I've seen 8 year old CRJs that do look worse), I would expect an airline like airTran, who once "prided themselves" with the 717 to continue to keep them looking as new as possible. This looked like something I would have expected to see on one of the DC-9s. The picture really doesn't do much justice as I didn't have time to take detailed photos.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:04 am

Quoting a318 (Reply 1):
Looks like an average airplane after operating a live flight full of passengers... nothing to see here?

  

Quoting tonyban (Reply 2):
Wouldn't use the word 'trashed' ! Just an aircraft interior under normal wear and tear, and heck, I've seen a lot worse than this !

     

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 3):
Somebody tell me what I am looking at. All I see is different seat cover material.

        

Quoting tonyban (Reply 4):
What exactly do you see is 'falling apart' ?

           

I can't see anything that looks 'trashed'. All I see is two different looking cabins. The newer seats don't look too much better IMO despite obviously looking newer... All I see is a cheap overhaul but I still love Delta!
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:17 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 30):
All I see is a cheap overhaul but I still love Delta!

This isn't Deltaized yet... This is still AirTran's cabin.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 31):
Deltaized

"Deltaized" - I love that term almost as much as 'Deltaville'  

When will the cabins receive the full Deltaization?
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:32 am

Quoting IADCA (Reply 26):

You don't even have to board a mode of transportation. The escalator and moving sidewalk railings are a conveyer belt of funky bacteria and other nasties. They are always cleaning around our airport but in 12 years working here, I've never seen them clean the moving railings. And all one has to do is look at your average car seat! Gross! When I'm checking one in on ticket counter duty, I have the parents place that nasty thing in the bin then I lift bin onto the bag belt.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 32):
When will the cabins receive the full Deltaization?

When you see them wearing DL colors, you'll know.. They look really nice. Almost as if they were new from the factory...almost. But if you look in the Flight Deck, that's when you notice the 15- year wear. Very rarely do they re-paint the throttle levers. Generally, if you see a set that is black (paint hasn't worn off), it is a replacement set, as they are electronic, and do go out from time to time (although rare) (FBW) instead of cable rigging.

Don't get me wrong peeps, I like airTran...always have, but I expected to see a better looking cabin when I boarded this thing. It's been 8 years since the last 717 was delivered, and 15 since the first. They aren't THAT old.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:15 am

It doesn't help that the lighting in the second one is far superior. The glare and shadows in the first one give the illusion the floor and seats are way dirtier than they really are.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 34):
Don't get me wrong peeps, I like airTran...always have, but I expected to see a better looking cabin when I boarded this thing. It's been 8 years since the last 717 was delivered, and 15 since the first. They aren't THAT old.

I'm thinking of flying one from AUS-LAX in a few months. So what cabin can I expect? The old cabin? The newer looking cabin in the bottom pic? The full Deltaized cabin? Or, could be anything?
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:52 am

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 29):

So then why claim half the seats don't recline?

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 36):

If it's a DL 717, it will be th new DL cabin. DL is not flying them around with the AirTran cabin.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:56 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 37):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 36):

If it's a DL 717, it will be th new DL cabin. DL is not flying them around with the AirTran cabin.

Excellent!

You know, the blue leather seats in the old Air Tran 717 pic look very similar to the seats in a lot of the DL 757s I've flown in...
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:44 am

For the most part any airliner that is in service for more than 5 years will look a bit long in the tooth. Although it varies by airline, I am sure airlines go through intervals in which they overhaul or replace worn out interiors. Its also worth noting that the plane in mention will be leaving the fleet soon, so why invest the $$ into it?
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:56 am

Even if they are not scheduled for Delta conversion all of Air Tran's 717s will be removed from service at the end of the year. They will sit until scheduled for the Delta conversion.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:44 am

I have a question, and this may be specific to someone who specializes in cabin maintainence for airlines:
What kind of service is performed to the seats? In particular, how are the covers/customer contact areas (this would include head rests, etc).

Sure, after a period of use, seats, bins, carpets, lavs, etc tend to wear. I know that leather wears with use, and requires service. While it is more durable than many fabrics, it still requires cleaning, conditioning, and even polishing (think of the finish on a pair of shoes, scuffs, scrapes and such are tempered by a good periodic polish. This is because it is colored, finished leather).

Every time a food cart hits a seat, it leaves a mark. When a carry-on bag gets shoved into a bin, it may leave a mark. This may happen multiple times a day. Passengers and crew put a real beating on an aircraft interior on a daily basis. It is interesting how that interior is maintained.

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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:12 pm

I had never flown on AirTran until last week and never on a 717 though many times on various DC-9s and MD-80s. After missing a WN connection at BWI, the gate agent found me the last seat on a FL BWI-FLL. I think "trashed" is too sensational as the wording on many a post tend to be. Shabby, shopworn are more like it. I chalked it up to an aircraft near the end of it's career at one air carrier. I would like to catch a refurbished one on Delta soon, for comparison.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:34 pm

I remember when I worked at FL the 717's were delivered with a lighter grey carpet that really showed the spills and stains. It looks like they put in a darker color of carpeting to mitigate that somewhat. I also remembered that FL got a number of the ex TWA birds and don't think they did nearly the amount of work on the cabin that DL is doing.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:56 pm

I remember when the headrest cover on some airlines were required to be changed out on every flight, due to exact reason, hair grease, why isn't this implemented on domestic airlines, other than cost savings? I mean it's a piece of thin paper, don't think it adds too much weight?
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 44):
I remember when the headrest cover on some airlines were required to be changed out on every flight, due to exact reason, hair grease, why isn't this implemented on domestic airlines, other than cost savings? I mean it's a piece of thin paper, don't think it adds too much weight?

I havent seen a paper headrest cover on any domestic carrier in over a decade.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:14 pm

Lots of dirty headrests, but not quite a "trashed" interior.
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:35 pm

Why would southwest or airtran do anything when those planes are leaving the fleet and Delta is putting new seats in? I have been on many a discusting aircraft of all carriers, it happens. I have definitely seen tape right on a united first class seat that was torn, that would look alot worse in my book than this photo. Nothing really looks overly discusting or trashed in this photo.
 
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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:59 pm

Eventually they will all look like this anyways:

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RE: AirTran's Cabins: Trashed

Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 28):
I see only two rather nice and clean planes. But fitted with two very different types of seats. Not only is one with leather and the other with cloth, but the seat structures are also entirely different.

You're right. There are two different types of seats. The ones that came from TWA are different from the ones that were originally delivered to AirTran. For a while, the TWA planes even had different cloth seat covers.

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