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AF1565
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Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:13 pm

What will be Virgin Atlantic's future plans for Hong Kong? I know they are mainly now focusing on North America ever since the Delta share but Hong Kong is a big money maker. Will they introduce a second daily flight? Is there a possibility that they will ever return to Sydney from Hong Kong.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:18 pm

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
but Hong Kong is a big money maker

Where are you getting that info from?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:08 pm

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
What will be Virgin Atlantic's future plans for Hong Kong?

Probably not a lot. They have an A380 on order and IF they do accept it, I would imagine HKG would be one of the, if not, the first destination. If they do not take the A380 (which they are rumored not to) then I would imagine the HKG route will go as it is for a while.

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
Hong Kong is a big money maker

I would imagine it is profitable, however I do not think it is a "big money maker". The route is far too competitive to be a big money maker, although it would be a high yielding route.

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
Will they introduce a second daily flight?

They tried a second daily flight a few years ago. I think it was VS 202/203, or perhaps 203/204.. One of those! I do not know exactly why it was cancelled but I would imagine it wasn't as profitable as they had wished.

A second daily flight might happen again but not for a few more years until the current fleet turns over and they get some more new aircraft. The A346 is a terribly uneconomical aircraft and VS are trying to rid them from what I hear.

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
Is there a possibility that they will ever return to Sydney from Hong Kong.

I have heard Sydney was not profitable and was there simply for the prestige. If this is the case I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon. The LHR-HKG-SYD-HKG-LHR was utilizing quite a few aircrafts at once too and VS must have felt that they could put the aircrafts to better use.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):

What will be Virgin Atlantic's future plans for Hong Kong? I know they are mainly now focusing on North America ever since the Delta share but Hong Kong is a big money maker.

I presume their focus would be filling the 50% or so of seats that used to be blocked for SYD, so the SYD cut is an effective doubling of frequency to HKG.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 12:52 am

Quoting anstar (Reply 3):
I presume their focus would be filling the 50% or so of seats that used to be blocked for SYD, so the SYD cut is an effective doubling of frequency to HKG.

Good point! Was the % of seats blocked for SYD really that high?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 1:44 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
They tried a second daily flight a few years ago. I think it was VS 202/203, or perhaps 203/204..

I believe it was VS238/239, hence my username..  
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting VS239 (Reply 5):
I believe it was VS238/239, hence my username..  

Ah, thank you! That does ring a bell now that you mention it.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 3:03 pm

If LHR-HKG is that high-yield route, why don't VS use the LHR-JFK config 744 to HKG? Forgive my ignorance but does A346 have more Upper Class seats than a LHR-JFK config 744?

I remember over 20yrs ago flying on the then new A346 to LHR and was one of the most enjoyable flights...
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 3:22 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):

If LHR-HKG is that high-yield route, why don't VS use the LHR-JFK config 744 to HKG? Forgive my ignorance but does A346 have more Upper Class seats than a LHR-JFK config 744?

Because they would loose alot of cargo volume. Plus the A340-600 has 45 UPPER whilst the LHR 744 has 1 less at 44.

So they are already sending their aircraft with the most J seats to HKG.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):
I remember over 20yrs ago flying on the then new A346 to LHR and was one of the most enjoyable flights...

20 years ago? Virgin 's 1st revenue A340-600 flight was on August 5th 2002.

http://www.pressreleasenetwork.com/pr-2002/aug/mainpr2006.htm

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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Thu May 01, 2014 4:39 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
They tried a second daily flight a few years ago. I think it was VS 202/203, or perhaps 203/204.. One of those! I do not know exactly why it was cancelled but I would imagine it wasn't as profitable as they had wished.

The second flight used a pair of slots leased from UA, the lease term expired and the slots returned to United hence that's why this flight was dropped.

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):

If LHR-HKG is that high-yield route, why don't VS use the LHR-JFK config 744 to HKG? Forgive my ignorance but does A346 have more Upper Class seats than a LHR-JFK config 744?

HKG is a good cargo route for VS, hence the 346 over the 747, but also its the kind of route where a 346 actually works (distance, cofiguration etc.) over a 747.

It'd be great to get a second HKG flight back, getting reward seats is difficult on this route and that tends to inform that VS is successfully selling many of the seats.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Sun May 04, 2014 7:32 am

CX now operates 5 daily direct flights to LHR while BA also do 2 daily with one of them A380. Capacity-wise VS is less than 10% of market share.

HKG-LHR is now one of the trump routes for OW, indeed it's hard for VS to stay in the game.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Sun May 04, 2014 8:16 am

Quoting AF1565 (Thread starter):
Hong Kong is a big money maker

Even with the SYD pax taking up a proportion of capacity to and from Heathrow, their Yields are poor already. Some of the fares offered ex Europe are amazingly low.

I can see HKG going to zero flights faster than two flights for Virgin. They have a substandard product to all direct competitors and inferior frequency.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Sun May 04, 2014 8:24 am

Daily Seats Offered:

CX 5xDaily B77W 30F 265J 170W 910Y
BA 1xDaily A388 1xDaily B772 28F 145J 95W 425Y
VS 1xDaily A346 45J 38W 225Y
Total Daily Seats Offered: 2,376

This means that VS offers 13% of the seats to Hong Kong. While BA has 29.2% and CX 57.9%. Tomorrow's the day that VS will stop flying to Sydney.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At Hong Kong

Sun May 04, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting AF1565 (Reply 13):

Daily Seats Offered:

CX 5xDaily B77W 30F 265J 170W 910Y
BA 1xDaily A388 1xDaily B772 28F 145J 95W 425Y
VS 1xDaily A346 45J 38W 225Y
Total Daily Seats Offered: 2,376

This means that VS offers 13% of the seats to Hong Kong. While BA has 29.2% and CX 57.9%. Tomorrow's the day that VS will stop flying to Sydney.

Indeed CX has slightly more than that. 2 of the 5 daily flights are operated with higher-density 77W without First Class service. We call that sub-type 77G. Config as follow.
77G: 40J 32W 268Y
77H: 6F 53J 34W 182Y

Total Daily Seats Offered: 2,506
CX: 18F 239J 166W 1082Y = 1505 (60.1%)
BA: 28F 145J 95W 425Y = 693 (27.7%)
VS: 45J 38W 225Y = 308 (12.3%)

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