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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 06, 2014 6:43 pm

Hi All,

The previous thread became long so Part 29 has been created to continue the conversation.

The previous thread can be found here 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 28 (by SA7700 Apr 9 2014 in Civil Aviation) .

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 06, 2014 6:53 pm

Re post from the last thread, ZB197 (ANA, LN146) is on its way to CUR from BFI.

http://fr24.com/BOE197
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 8:49 am

And here she is at CUR, taken by Member A388:

http://twitter.com/RCAviation39/status/463907968719675392
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 8:51 am

That's a pretty slick photo!

[Edited 2014-05-07 02:04:36]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 12:28 pm

With only LN11 in the EMC why doesn't Boeing bring two or three more of the early builds into the EMC and start working on them ? Is it because they need the EMC for later build frames or is it because with no current buyers for the early builds there's no hurry to bring them inside ?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 12:31 pm

ZA651 has been named after the Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen.

Boeing 787-8 EI-LNE by fordflightphotos, on Flickr
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 4):

With only LN11 in the EMC why doesn't Boeing bring two or three more of the early builds into the EMC and start working on them ? Is it because they need the EMC for later build frames or is it because with no current buyers for the early builds there's no hurry to bring them inside ?

There is a lot of discussion about this topic in the last thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 28 (by SA7700 Apr 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 6:15 pm

A few additional Boeing test flights today almost all out of Charleston:

ZA265
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE265
ZA244
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE244
ZA232
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE232
and ZA610 doing another customer flight
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE610
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 7:20 pm

Not sure if this is the right place to post (so mods please feel free to move/delete) - anyone know why LOT's SP-LRB (LN78, ZA271) was ferried to VCV yesterday from ORD? Storage, painting, or maintenance?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 7:55 pm

Another B-1. This time ZA455 for British Airways:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE455
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 07, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting hoya (Reply 8):
Not sure if this is the right place to post (so mods please feel free to move/delete) - anyone know why LOT's SP-LRB (LN78, ZA271) was ferried to VCV yesterday from ORD? Storage, painting, or maintenance?

WiFi installation.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 6:08 am

Is it possible for both ZA232 and ZA244 to be delivered this month.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 11):
Is it possible for both ZA232 and ZA244 to be delivered this month.

That's the plan. According to Air India financing RFPs, the remaining 2014 deliveries are scheduled as such:
> VT-ANP & VT-ANC in May
> VT-ANQ in June
> VT-ANR in August
> VT-ANS in November
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 11:49 am

SIA confirms Scoot’s first 787-9 for November delivery, second to follow by February 2015.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/scoot-s-firs...ng-787-9-set-for-november-delivery
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 1:23 pm

See another picture of ZB197 I took in Curacao (photo taken yesterday):


https://twitter.com/RCAviation39/status/464393995507228673/photo/1


Cheers,

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 2:58 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
WiFi installation.

Didn't realize LO is getting Wi-Fi installed. I wonder why they didn't start with SP-LRF. Anyways, thanks!

[Edited 2014-05-08 08:01:16]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 3:09 pm

Quoting hoya (Reply 15):
Didn't realize LO is getting Wi-Fi installed.

Yes, LOT had revealed those plans some 3 years ago. The 787 fleet will get in-flight WIFi.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 4:28 pm

Just noticed that Air Canada has removed from their schedule the flight on Wednesday June 04 from YYZ to YUL return using their 788. It's now back to an A319. Could there be some issues with this aircraft, or are they still scheduled to fly it home to YYZ later this week ? Also, I cannot find it on any other flights between these two cities so it appears that AC might have backed off a bit on the proving flights ?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 4:53 pm

Looks like CHS production is mostly back on track and the workers will be receiving a nice bonus for their efforts. Part of that was re-hiring a significant number of experienced workers who were let go and the incentive program which will pay bonuses between $2500 and $4000.

Travel work has been reduced from an average of 8000 jobs to 3500 (representing a drop from 10 days work to less than 5) and no aircraft section shipped to the FALs has more than 150 open jobs.

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...023554684_boeingcharlestonxml.html
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 5:50 pm

Looks like ZA454 is going on a C-1 this afternoon:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE454
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):
Looks like CHS production is mostly back on track and the workers will be receiving a nice bonus for their efforts. Part of that was re-hiring a significant number of experienced workers who were let go and the incentive program which will pay bonuses between $2500 and $4000.

Travel work has been reduced from an average of 8000 jobs to 3500 (representing a drop from 10 days work to less than 5) and no aircraft section shipped to the FALs has more than 150 open jobs.

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...023554684_boeingcharlestonxml.html

It's also reflected in what is happening at Everett. It's been a while since they've sent a 787 from final assembly to the EMC. Now they're just parked outside 40-51 the work is completed there and then straight to paint.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 8:00 pm

Boeing's latest order book update shows 49 787-9 orders for ILFC instead of 41.

There are now 413 orders for the 787-9 and 486 orders for the 787-8.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Thu May 08, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
There are now 413 orders for the 787-9 and 486 orders for the 787-8.

Amazing... sometime early next year more than half of the 787-8 order book will be filled.

I doubt the 787-8 will ever break 600 total orders. The -9 and -10 are the models with a future.

(edit: I can't count)

[Edited 2014-05-08 13:29:51]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
See another picture of ZB197 I took in Curacao (photo taken yesterday):

It seems ZB197 is in Curacao for ETOPS testing.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 22):
I doubt the 787-8 will ever break 600 total orders.

The 787-8 had more than 600 orders in early 2010. More conversions are expected (Air Berlin comes to mind).

http://www.pdxlight.com/787a.jpg

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 22):
The -9 and -10 are the models with a future.

  
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
It seems ZB197 is in Curacao for ETOPS testing.

All I know is that the weather conditions were ideal in Curacao for the tests that want to do now.

A388
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 7:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
The 787-8 had more than 600 orders in early 2010. More conversions are expected (Air Berlin comes to mind).

I don't think you'll here any argument from Boeing with customers going from the lower priced -8 to the higher priced -9 or -10. Additionally, they won't have to worry about paying up for performance shortfalls as it appears that the -9 will meet or exceed the promised fuel burn and weight goals.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 7:14 pm

Boeing lost billions with the mistakes in outsourcing design and production of key parts plus the issues at CHS. However, those painful lessons should translate to vastly improved -9 and -10 programs and the refinement of the newer technologies that go into the 788.

In the long run, I think the airlines will be quite happy with the a/c. However, having all this stuff play out in an age with instant access to information was painful indeed for Boeing.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 8:20 pm

Arke LN182 should arrive in AMS on June 5 around 12pm.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 9:38 pm

The NZ 787-9 was pushed out of the EMC and is now parked at the fuel dock.


Around KPAE 5-9-14 by moonm, on Flickr

Thomson ZA321 and Thai ZA588 on the 40-51 ramp.


Around KPAE 5-9-14 by moonm, on Flickr

First flight of BA ZA454 and ZA455.


British Airways G-ZBJF Boeing 787-8 First Flight by moonm, on Flickr


Around KPAE 5-8-14 in the rain by moonm, on Flickr
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Fri May 09, 2014 10:03 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 22):
I doubt the 787-8 will ever break 600 total orders.

I think the LCCs and some of the small international airlines will keep the 788 in production especially once Boeing puts the effort in to add the 789 advancements into it. Regardless, I think you are right but I am slightly more optimistic with my estimate has them delivering more than 600 but less than 700 by the end of its run. Its still in a market of 1 afterall.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 2:56 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 29):
Regardless, I think you are right but I am slightly more optimistic with my estimate has them delivering more than 600 but less than 700 by the end of its run. Its still in a market of 1 afterall.

Agreed. There are a lot of international 763s to be replaced, and the international 757s. Not all of those routes can support the seats of a 789. Maybe if an A332NEO is competitive it will make a difference, but right now the 788 is basically the only choice for those routes that can only support ~180-240 seats.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 3:06 am

Quoting hmelawyer (Reply 30):

Agreed. There are a lot of international 763s to be replaced, and the international 757s. Not all of those routes can support the seats of a 789. Maybe if an A332NEO is competitive it will make a difference, but right now the 788 is basically the only choice for those routes that can only support ~180-240 seats.

Depends really if the airlines think they can build the market it up in the feature, for example NZ is replacing its 5x 763 with 10x 789s. the 763 current seat 230 pax, and the 789 will seat 302.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 3:53 am

It will also depend on how much a 788 costs compared to a 789. The trip costs probably aren't extremely different, so you're at a point where if the prices are close you sell more 789s and if the prices are farther apart the more budget conscious buyers go with 788s.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 4:02 am

Quoting kd5mdk (Reply 32):
It will also depend on how much a 788 costs compared to a 789. The trip costs probably aren't extremely different, so you're at a point where if the prices are close you sell more 789s and if the prices are farther apart the more budget conscious buyers go with 788s.

One of the business case points presented for the 789 by Boeing was that of customers upgauging from 788's 789's. The scenario presented was the discounts applied for 788's sold in the initial years of the program could be recovered if those customers opted (and subsequently paid) for 789's.

Boeing aren't silly. They will leverage revenues on the back of upgauging to 789's as much as possible!
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 4:05 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
There are now 413 orders for the 787-9 and 486 orders for the 787-8.

I remember the discussions back in 2007-2008 when there was a real disagreement on the direction of the market. A lot of Boeing fans defended the 787-8 as the big seller because of all the 767's needing replacing. Others felt that the natural direction would be to gravitate to the larger models.

I guess we're seeing how it's going.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 4:18 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 33):
One of the business case points presented for the 789 by Boeing was that of customers upgauging from 788's 789's. The scenario presented was the discounts applied for 788's sold in the initial years of the program could be recovered if those customers opted (and subsequently paid) for 789's.

Also customers that upgrade to the 789 at discounted prices due to the 788 being late or not meeting the promised specs.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 12:56 pm

I think JAL is showing that the 788 enables the creation of exclusive routes. BA is doing the same in Austin. Lots of potential for profits with these types of services. I've never flown JAL before but now that I can get to Asia direct from San Diego I've used them 4 flights. Door to door travel time to BKK and Singapore is reduced by 6 hours. Love to see a carrier try san to Singapore or Europe. The 788 makes this feasiblek
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting Planeflyer (Reply 36):
Love to see a carrier try san to Singapore or Europe. The 788 makes this feasiblek

BA is already flying the SAN to LHR route. The runway at SAN is too short to accomodate an a/c to fly n/s to SIN.

The Euro question is an interesting one. Aside from KL/AF and LH it would most likely be an operator like DY or Thomson that might do seasonal service. I don't see any of those carriers launching SAN in the short term so BA has the service to themselves.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 4:27 pm

HNA ZA437 (171) filed for a B-1 later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE437
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 4:43 pm

How is AC's first plane coming along?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 39):
How is AC's first plane coming along?

Packed, sealed and ready for delivery! Should be delivered within the next few days!
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 7:14 pm

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Reply 40):
Packed, sealed and ready for delivery! Should be delivered within the next few days!

Exciting to see the day finally come to fruition, thanks!
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 8:38 pm

It will be interesting to see if the economy layout on the latest BA 787's to be delivered has changed.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 10, 2014 11:19 pm

Are there any deliveries for QR scheduled this month? The new DOH to EDI service begins on the 28th May and I expected it to tie in with the delivery of a 788. Can't wait to try it out.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 1:54 am

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 43):

Are there any deliveries for QR scheduled this month? The new DOH to EDI service begins on the 28th May and I expected it to tie in with the delivery of a 788. Can't wait to try it out.

No. They are cancelling DOH-DEL (daytime flight) to add the DOH-EDI route starting May 28th. So no need for a new frame for that route to start. Next frame will be needed to start DOH-HND route on June 18th but i have a hard believing A7-BCN will deliver by the end of May (its nowhere close to its B1) so they will most likely temporarily sub another route away from 787 to start HND route on time.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 1:58 am

(I don't think this has been asked before)

So are Boeing done with painting CHS frames at FTW? It's been since Feb 1 that a 787 has been in. Hard to believe they could have munched that QR bird bad enough to lose all future work.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 3:42 am

Quoting zululima (Reply 45):
So are Boeing done with painting CHS frames at FTW?

Since the QR debacle, all CHS jets have gone to VCV for painting (except a few to PDX).
Don't know if FTW is still on the plans for the future.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 8:46 am

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 42):

- Aside from a shortage of toilets, IMO, any reason for a change in Y?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 47):
- Aside from a shortage of toilets, IMO, any reason for a change in Y?

Customer's reaction to the 9 across seating apparently, in the window seats mainly. It was a close call between it been 2-4-2 or 3-3-3 and a config change had been muted. Might well have all settled down now and been accepted as the new normal.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 11, 2014 4:24 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
Arke LN182 should arrive in AMS on June 5 around 12pm.

Few updates:

> Contractual delivery scheduled for June 4
> Arrival in AMS scheduled for June 5
> Second delivery expected in December 2014
> Third delivery expected in March 2015
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