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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 128):
Looking back, most months only see a few deliveries before the last week of the month and then they go crazy:

Agreed. But we've had months miss the end of month 'rush.'

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 129):
there is still the possibility of 5 more out of PAE before the end of the month.

I really hope that happens.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 139):

LN 28 was delivered to Air India today.

Wow... am I the only one amazed by this delivery? I've been looking at (your) All things 787 seeing this one frame hanging out as an outlier. An early build still destined to go to the original customer... That is quite a milestone.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 5:16 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 150):
But we've had months miss the end of month 'rush.'

There is a mistaken opinion that the delivery rate must match the factory complete rate.. does't happen. That leads to troll posts about non existent problems and other second guessing hysterics. There is no set delivery rate.. there is only a yearly delivery projection.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 151):
There is no set delivery rate.. there is only a yearly delivery projection.

That isn't what I'm referring to. Specifically when problems have been found. e.g, the wings. I'm a 787 fan, but the plane needs to move out for Boeing to have revenue. I'm well aware of there not being a set delivery rate, but there is a set production schedule and the delay between production and delivery is an in-efficiency. Boeing just discussed how they have to cut that time which means aligning deliveries closer to the production rate. A customer delay is one thing... a plane not being ready for delivery is another.

The reality is I am wondering if there is lingering 'traveling work' that hasn't been disclosed fully. If planes are ready for delivery on time... My worries go away. If planes have issues... My concerns grow.

The 787 is one of the more exciting projects in a long time, but it is a major in-efficiency to ramp up production and not have deliveries trail by the typical 100 to 110 days. If anything, that time needs to drop to to order of 70 days (IIRC, per the 787 original plan) so Boeing can make some good money off the planes.



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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 2:10 pm

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Peace. (did I really say that?)..

I concur that there are both customer driven impacts affecting the rate and some manufacturing issues.. from the various pictures of the flight line, they appear to be internal, as in software, since there is absence of obvious work stands and lifts. In past new programs, the computers and software were the usual constraints that lasted long after the basic structural and mechanical systems issues were solved.
 
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Sat May 24, 2014 2:34 pm

Line 184 ZA656 on the way KVCV for paint.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 6:37 pm

I should have posted this link earlier. One of your better articles NYC777!
http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2014/05/b...alks-787-during-investors-day.html

Those that know me on here for a while know I like to credit my sources. Mea culpa for not posting this earlier:
Currently it appears that it takes Boeing about 100 to 110 days from the start of final assembly to delivery of the 787 though there are outliers both under 100 days and over 110 days.

As a side note: I am VERY pleased to see all the early build 787s due to AI go out. Its good that we really only have the "Terrible Teens" left (I include LN22, 4,5,6, 10,11, and 12 as "Teens" even though English language conventions have them outside of that definition.)

I have a question, what was so off in the Teens that NONE were ever delivered? Were 7, 9, and 9 committed to delivery before Boeing fully realized the costs or the customers waking up to the weight penalties costs? Deferral of recognizing the loss on each frame by Boeing?

Quoting kanban (Reply 153):
I concur that there are both customer driven impacts affecting the rate and some manufacturing issues.. from the various pictures of the flight line, they appear to be internal, as in software, since there is absence of obvious work stands and lifts.

I think we're on the same page. So 'peace' as we on the West coast like to say.  

If there are a lack of lifts, it is either light parts (small component X is in short supply) or more likely sofware/computer fixes (easily man-lift-able work). Either way, I would like to see the time from exit of the FAL to delivery compressed. Just holding onto that value of inventory for that period of time is both an interest expense and a delay of revenue recognition.

The challenge will be the remaining early birds.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 147):
They have 10 787-9's on order. Hardly anybody orders just one of something especially a major airline -- I don't think this will be used in normal scheduled service.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 148):
Perhaps a replacement for the 747-400 leased from KE for use by the government as an official transport.

I agree with Stitch. This is very interesting to order one 'early bird' that is out of configuration with their main fleet. If anyone knows anything more, please update me.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 143):

LN 11 is being re-worked for delivery to Korean Air. Delivery should be around end of year.

Going through you old posts, I found as far back as February 2012 LN 6, 11, and 14 undergoing rework. (I'm glad I checked before commenting it seemed like a quick delivery for LN11...)    I vaguely recall they've been moved around (not continuous rework)? (I'm asking.) I'm very curious on the early birds as I'd like to know realistically when they might join the fleet.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 153):
In past new programs, the computers and software were the usual constraints that lasted long after the basic structural and mechanical systems issues were solved.

Not anywhere near the extent that is being seen on the 787. Let's just look at the inability to get a B-1 flight airborne on the same day it's released to the flight crew -- we're 150 airplanes and 21/2 years into production and it appears most 787's don't get airborne until the second day of production flight testing.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 156):
Not anywhere near the extent that is being seen on the 787. Let's just look at the inability to get a B-1 flight airborne on the same day it's released to the flight crew -- we're 150 airplanes and 21/2 years into production and it appears most 787's don't get airborne until the second day of production flight testing.

It appears that there is a mode that is not in the preflight test sequence that can only be checked when airborne.. so we may see a pre B-1, B-1, and B-2 before C-1..
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sat May 24, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 157):
It appears that there is a mode that is not in the preflight test sequence that can only be checked when airborne.. so we may see a pre B-1, B-1, and B-2 before C-1..

Interesting, but there are already more flights than management intended to get the airplane delivered. I'm sure whatever the check is it will be incorporated into the B-1.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 155):
As a side note: I am VERY pleased to see all the early build 787s due to AI go out. Its good that we really only have the "Terrible Teens" left (I include LN22, 4,5,6, 10,11, and 12 as "Teens" even though English language conventions have them outside of that definition.)

LN22 isn't a teen and it's not a matter of English convention. It's part of a different production block with many changes from LN19 and before.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 2:37 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 158):
I'm sure whatever the check is it will be incorporated into the B-1.

It will be if they can figure out how do duplicate it in the lab and then the the preflight routine. At least it's not someone leaving the pitot tube covers on.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 4:15 am

Don't quote me, but I think up to and including LN19 the MTOW was 219T and it was overweight, up to 6T depending upon who you believe.

From LN20 to 34 MTOW was increased to 228T, and there were weight savings. (Don't know the numbers).

LN 35 to 89 inclusive were lighter still, and from LN90 were supposed to be at spec , but I have heard they did not meet this milestone.

I would be very interested if someone knows the actual numbers.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 5:05 am

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 159):
LN22 isn't a teen and it's not a matter of English convention. It's part of a different production block with many changes from LN19 and before.

I never understood why ANA rejected it or why it didn't quickly find a customer. JAL and Air India had no problem taking their frames in the same block (and ANA took a few others as well).
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 139):
LN 28 was delivered to Air India today.

Wasn't L/N 158 VT-ANP supposed to be AI #14, as highlighted by Boeing India President Dinesh Keskar? Does this mean VT-ANP is still not ready for delivery? VT-ANP flew twice on 19th and 20th May. Were these customer flights?

When is VT-ANC expected to fly off to DEL?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 7:20 am

Next up...

Deliveries:
> VT-ANC (Air India #14) (@ Charleston)
> G-ZBJF (British Airways #6)
> VT-ANP (Air India #15) (@ Charleston)
> EI-LNF (ILFC #11/Norwegian #6)
> JA-829A (All Nippon Airways #28)
> B-2739 (Hainan Airlines #8)

First Flights:
> ZK-NZE (787-9 Test Aircraft #5/Air New Zealand #1)
> EI-LNG (ILFC #12/Norwegian #7)
> HS-TQA (ILFC #13/Thai Airways #1) -> pre-paint job
> N28912 (United Airlines #11)
> A7-BCN (Qatar Airways #14) (@ Charleston)
> VT-ANQ (Air India #16) (@ Charleston)
> A7-BCO (Qatar Airways #15) (@ Charleston)

FAL Rollout:
> G-TUIF (TUI Travel #8/Thomson Airways #6)
> 5Y-KZC (Kenyan Airways #3) (@ Charleston)
> JA-831A (All Nippon Airways #29)

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 7:47 am

Hello, UA's 11th 787 will be N28912 ?!! Very odd... It should be Nxx911. I presume they may be skipping that number out of respect for 9/11
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 8:10 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 165):
Hello, UA's 11th 787 will be N28912 ?!! Very odd... It should be Nxx911. I presume they may be skipping that number out of respect for 9/11

I have no idea why they are out of sequence but N49911 has been reserved by UAL for a 788 so not sure about the skipping part of it...
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 8:18 am

Air Canada should receive its first 787-9 in July 2015.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...canada39s-787-dream-begins-399630/
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 159):
LN22 isn't a teen and it's not a matter of English convention. It's part of a different production block with many changes from LN19 and before.

It does have differenes, e.g., the higher MTOW, and *less* but still significant overweight issue. So it will be tougher to sell than those that met weight (going from memory, wasn't that LN90(per link, but I thought Boeing achieved by LN 86?).

IIRC, LN 20 was about 2t lighter, but nothing close to spec. LN34 was the end of the grossly overweight block.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 161):
Don't quote me, but I think up to and including LN19 the MTOW was 219T and it was overweight, up to 6T depending upon who you believe.

From LN20 to 34 MTOW was increased to 228T, and there were weight savings. (Don't know the numbers).

Good memory, I found an old link:
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2011/1...ain-as-boeing-787-becomes-reality/

Line number 7 to 19 (LN7-LN19), the same sources confirm, are considerably less overweight at 6.1 tonnes (13,500 lbs). Line number 20 (LN20), the first 787 to feature increased maximum take-off weight (MTOW) from 219,539 kg (484,000 lbs) to 227,930 kg (502,500 lbs) to recover some of the payload/range capabilities lost owing to the overweight issue, is around 4 tonnes (8,800 lbs) overweight.


I think Boeing will have an easier time selling LN 22 than earlier examples. But only a little bit easier.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 168):
IIRC, LN 20 was about 2t lighter, but nothing close to spec. LN34 was the end of the grossly overweight block.

LN20 was about 4000kg over target weight per AspireAviation.
 
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Sun May 25, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 168):
Good memory, I found an old link:
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2011/1...lity/

I recall at the time that many of us were skeptical about Aspire's numbers, thinking there was no way so many series production aircraft could have missed the mark so badly. I suppose maybe the difficulty in moving the teens supports their conclusions in hindsight.

On the other hand, looking at the 787 ACAP, 4 t of extra empty weight would not leave a lot of margin for JAL, which flies its early 787s (LN20/21/23/27/33) on some very long routes. (Air India and ANA don't push their frames of similar vintage as hard.) I'd be curious to know the real empty weight of the frames in the LN20-LN33 block.
 
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Sun May 25, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 166):
I have no idea why they are out of sequence but N49911 has been reserved by UAL for a 788 so not sure about the skipping part of it...

It's possible they reserved it and later decided to skip out of respect for 9/11. I guess we'll find out for sure with the next UA 788 later this year.

That said, the All Things 787 site shows the first UA 789 as #951, where the recent photos after painting show it registered as #950, so it may not be 100% accurate?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Sun May 25, 2014 11:40 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 169):
LN20 was about 4000kg over target weight per AspireAviation.

Which aligns as the others were about 6100kg over target by the same source.

Which frame was the first on weight? I've forgotten.    It was about LN84 to 90 IIRC, but I do not recall which was the first to meet target weight.



I remember those threads. There was amazing rancor in some.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 170):
I recall at the time that many of us were skeptical about Aspire's numbers, thinking there was no way so many series production aircraft could have missed the mark so badly. I suppose maybe the difficulty in moving the teens supports their conclusions in hindsight.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 170):
On the other hand, looking at the 787 ACAP, 4 t of extra empty weight would not leave a lot of margin for JAL, which flies its early 787s (LN20/21/23/27/33) on some very long routes. (Air India and ANA don't push their frames of similar vintage as hard.) I'd be curious to know the real empty weight of the frames in the LN20-LN33 block.

s/b in the 4t (LN20) declining (IIRC) to about 3t or 2.5t for LN33 and then it slowly declined until they had the frames that met weight. There were continuous by the part weight improvements.

I would have hit JAL also as GE missed fuel burn by a bit (I've seen 2% to 4% depending on the source). So it would have been a double hit for the early 787s. RR missed fuel burn too, rumor was not as much as GE (albeit GE promised better cruise fuel burn).

Again, I think LN22 should find a buyer, but if it indeed is 4t overweight, that doesn't play out well in today's environment of 9-across Y. There will be a buyer, but it has to be one that has a need for 'regional' 787s. QR? For the right price, JAL could even return... Albeit 787 prices should be a bit better than in the past, even for LN22.

I'm very interested how Boeing will sell the 'true Terrible teens' and older LNs. There won't be a rush... but three have been in rework for a long time. All indications are that KE will take one in 2014. How about the other two that have seen the rework?

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 1:05 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 172):
Which frame was the first on weight? I've forgotten.        It was about LN84 to 90 IIRC, but I do not recall which was the first to meet target weight.

As of August 2012, Aspire Aviation said LN90 was the frame projected to be on target, but that plan slipped to the LN140-150 production block - I believe due to a slower-than-planned production ramp of lighter parts re-designed for the 787-9 that are also used on the 787-8.

AirInsight noted in April 2013 that LN103 was the first to meet both airline (DOW) and manufacturer (MEW) weight targets and this was ahead of the original LN140-150 block schedule. Aspire Aviation confirmed that figure that same month.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 172):
Again, I think LN22 should find a buyer, but if it indeed is 4t overweight, that doesn't play out well in today's environment of 9-across Y

~ 5t over weight increased fuel burn by about 3 to 4%. Don't forget there is no other airplane being offered that is close to the 787 series on fuel burn. So LN22 is off 3 or 4% , that still puts it 12 or 13% ahead of the A332.
 
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Mon May 26, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 173):
AirInsight noted in April 2013 that LN103 was the first to meet both airline (DOW) and manufacturer (MEW) weight targets and this was ahead of the original LN140-150 block schedule. Aspire Aviation confirmed that figure that same month.

Thank you! So LN103... not much later than prior reports.   

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 3:31 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 174):
that still puts it 12 or 13% ahead of the A332.

Todays AFR (Australian Financial Review) of 26th May 2014 p15 is quoting the Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdicka as saying:

"The economics are so attractive on the 787 versus the A330," she said, in reference to the aircraft the 787's are replacing. "Costs per seat is lower and customers are happier"

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 4:25 am

The AFR also says that Qantas will get Jetstar's 330's as the 787 are delivered,

Also that the airline had taken delivery of 4 787 Dreamliners, .. 2 more are due by the end of the year ... and all 11 by the end of 2015.

Do we know the status of the 787 with Qantas mainline. Will they take any?

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Mon May 26, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 177):
2 more are due by the end of the year ... and all 11 by the end of 2015.

Yes. the next two (VH-VKF/VKG) are due by the end of June 2014 (QF fiscal year-end). Both are painted and awaiting test flights. Jetstar will get some more in 2014 post July 1st and the rest by end of 2015. So in all deliveries to cover 3 Qantas fiscal years. The final 3 of the order have been delayed TBD.
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Mon May 26, 2014 7:55 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 177):
Do we know the status of the 787 with Qantas mainline. Will they take any?

They haven't placed a firm order yet and nothing was mentioned during the last financial conference, expect other aircraft on order (for both Qantas and Jetstar) are being delayed. Despite not being a firm order, Qantas holds delivery positions in 2016, so I guess they still have some time to make a final decision.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 9:06 am

On this long weekend of slow activities at PAE and CHS, i thought i would debunk the ILFC 787 orders for the members. ILFC recently announced that it had secured more than 50 lease transactions for the 787 (see article below).

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ilf...lestone-with-boeing-787-2014-02-27

The number is actually 51 and this is how it plays out:

Total ILFC Orders: 74 (25x 788 + 49x 789)

ILFC 788 (25 orders):
> 11 RR (5x Norwegian - 3 delivered, 6x Thai)
> 12 GE (5x Aeromexico - all delivered + 2x VIP - all delivered + 2x Royal Jordanian + 3x Ethiopian)
> 2 Unconfirmed (2x Neos)

ILFC 789 (49 orders - 26x appointed + 23x TBD)
> 8 RR (2x Thai + 6x LAN Chile)
> 3 GE (3x Air Berlin)
> 38 Unconfirmed (12x Air France KLM + 3x Vietnam Airlines, both have independently confirmed GE + 23x TBD)

As for the delivery schedule, it looks something like this:
> 2014: 12 Total - all 788s (1x VIP, 2x Aeromexico, 3x Norwegian, 4x Thai, 2x Royal Jordanian)
> 2015: 12 Total - 5x 788s (2x Thai + 3x Ethiopian) + 7x 789s (3x LAN + 2x KLM + 2x Vietnam Airlines)
> 2016: 10 Total - 10x 789s
> 2017: 13 Total - 13x 789x
> 2018: 17 Total - 2x 788s (2x Neos) + 15x 789s (2x Thai)
> 2019: 4 Total - 4x 789s

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 4:06 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 172):
How about the other two that have seen the rework?

Boeing implied in a previous earnings call that LN 5 (along with LN 6) has a buyer. LN 5 looks at this point like a remodel where the demolition is complete but the reconstruction hasn't started yet.

LN 14... well, it's been in the EMC for a long time (except for a few days when it was moved outside). Given all the other things they've been doing in there lately, you wouldn't think they would leave it in there unless they were actively working on it, and you wouldn't think they would be actively working on it without at least a tentative reason.
 
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Mon May 26, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 183):
LN 14... well, it's been in the EMC for a long time (except for a few days when it was moved outside).

I think you meant LN11, it is inside the EMC since July 2013.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6531.htm

Change incorporation for LN14 started not so long ago and was interrupted to make room for the new 787s.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Mon May 26, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):
Change incorporation for LN14 started not so long ago and was interrupted to make room for the new 787s.

I was thinking of LN 14. It hasn't been in as long as LN 11 but it went in sometime in late 2013 and was only out on 11/29 briefly a couple months ago. Maybe my logic is too simple but I feel like if LN 14 went back in while LN 5 (which has a customer) is still out on 11/29 then LN 14 must at least tentatively have a customer.
 
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Mon May 26, 2014 9:00 pm

It seems BA ZA455 is being delivered today:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/470815376230477824
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 12:35 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 181):
Boeing implied in a previous earnings call that LN 5 (along with LN 6) has a buyer. LN 5 looks at this point like a remodel where the demolition is complete but the reconstruction hasn't started yet.

That is good news. Any hint as to the buyer?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 182):
Change incorporation for LN14 started not so long ago and was interrupted to make room for the new 787s.

I thought LN 14 already had some work on it?

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing those planes delivered. I'm happy to be reading here that a number are expected to be in customer hands by year end.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 12:41 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 185):
Any hint as to the buyer?

They've always been speculated as going to VIP customers and Boeing Business Jets recorded a 787-8 VIP sale on 25 January of this year.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 10:53 am

According to all things 787 LN6 is to become Mexican Air Force Presidential Aircraft...
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 187):
According to all things 787 LN6 is to become Mexican Air Force Presidential Aircraft...

I thought we'd seen pictures of that bird already, but I guess it was early confusion over LN149's customer (which ended up being the Saudi Ministry of Finance).

There have been calls in Mexico for the current government to scrap the 787 order, so perhaps this is a compromise deal to save the government money and allow Boeing to deliver an early frame.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 2:51 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 164):
> HS-TQA (ILFC #13/Thai Airways #1) -> pre-paint job

Im guessing the thai planes are unaffected by the coup?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 4:47 pm

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 145 Aircraft to 19 Airlines & 3 VIPs – 145 787-8 & 0 787-9

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO MAY
787-8 NH-27; JL-15; AI-13; QR-13; UA–10; CZ-9; HU-6; LO-6; ET-5; LA-5; AM-5; DY-5; BY-4; BA-4; JQ-4; BI-4; VIP-3; TB-1; KQ-1
787-9 0

MAY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 167 - ET-AOT – 5/5/2014 - ET #6 – 787-8
L/N 160 – C-GHPQ – 5/12/2014 – AC #1 – 787-8
L/N 173 – G-ZBJE – 5/16/2014 - BA #5 – 787-8
L/N 164 - ET-AOU – 5/20/2014 - ET #7 – 787-8
L/N 28 - VT-ANC – 5/23/2014 - AI #14 – 787-8
L/N 177 – G-ZBJF – 5/25/2014 - BA #6 – 787-8

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 158 - VT-ANP – ZA244 - AI #15 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 179 - JA829A – ZA136 - NH #28 – 787-8
L/N 171 - B-2739 – ZA437 - HU #7 – 787-8
L/N 178 – EI-LNF – ZA579 - DY #6 – 787-8 - (ILFC)
L/N 182 – PH-TFK – ZA334 - OR #1 – 787-8
L/N 151 - B-2738 – ZA436 - HU #8 – 787-8 (Boeing Flight Testing)
L/N 170 – C-GHPT – ZA611 – AC #2 – 787-8
L/N 168 - ET-AOV – ZA267 - ET #8 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 172 - B-2788 – ZA389 - CZ #10 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 184 – 5Y-KZB – ZA656 - KQ #2 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 169 – ZK-NZE – ZB003 - NZ #1 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 174 – C-GHPU – ZA612 – AC #3 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 175 – VH-VKF – ZA219 - JQ #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 183 – EI-LNG – ZA580 - DY #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight - (ILFC)
L/N 185 - CC-BBF – ZA541 - LA #6 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 186 – N49911 – ZA295 - UA #11 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 187 – G-ZBJG – ZA456 - BA #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 189 – VH-VKG – ZA220 - JQ #6 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 190 – HS-TQA - ZA588 – TG #1 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 191 - G-TUIE – ZA321 – BY #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 193 – HZ-MF8 – ZA779 – VIP #4 – 787-8 - Awaiting first flight - Saudi Ministry of Finance (BBJ)
L/N 176 - A7-BCN – ZA473 - QR #14 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 194 – JY-BAA – ZA695 – RJ #1 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 195 - CC-BBG – ZA542 - LA #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 197 – G-ZBJH – ZA457 - BA #8 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 180 - VT-ANQ – ZA245 - AI #16 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021, 167, 181 & 197)
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Tue May 27, 2014 7:10 pm

Looks like TUI (Arke) ZA334 (182) is flying a C-2:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE334
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 5:03 pm

Anyone have an up-to-date idea of what's currently in the EMC? NYC777's blog shows just three 787s inside: LN11, LN14, and UA 787-9 LN181. Are the other bays occupied by KC-46s, or empty?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 185):
I thought LN 14 already had some work on it?

Only a bit, there is still a lot of work to do.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 5:31 pm

 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 6:31 pm

ANA ZA136 (179) scheduled for a C-1 today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE136
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 6:38 pm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 9:14 pm

Norwegian ZA579 has been delivered.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/471760831613390848

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
ZB003 / LN169 will attempt another B1 today:

Airborne right now.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 9:59 pm

HNA ZA436 (151) airborne on an FCF:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE436

ANA ZA136 (179) airborne on a C-1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE136
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 29

Wed May 28, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 190):
L/N 178 – EI-LNF – ZA579 - DY #6 – 787-8 - (ILFC)
Quoting United787 (Reply 190):
L/N 183 – EI-LNG – ZA580 - DY #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight - (ILFC)
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 180):
On this long weekend of slow activities at PAE and CHS, i thought i would debunk the ILFC 787 orders for the members. ILFC recently announced that it had secured more than 50 lease transactions for the 787 (see article below).

ILFC is no more, perhaps we should call it AerCap now?

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 180):
The number is actually 51 and this is how it plays out:

Nice, thanks for the summary.
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