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b735
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Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 8:39 am

According to Danish media an SAS plane performing CPH-FCO was close to colliding with a Russian IL20M shortly after take off from CPH. Apparently the Russian was not visible on airport and SAS aircraft radars.

Link: http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article2278920.ece - in Danish only

Translated by google:

An SAS plane took off from Copenhagen airport on 3 March, was on his way to Rome . But suddenly had to change course to avoid flying directly into a Russian patrol .

Immediately after the aircraft had taken off , the pilots report that an unidentified aircraft flew in the middle of their route.

The plane could not be seen on the airport surveillance system, and the pilots discovered nor the mysterious aircraft in their system.

90 meters from the collision
A radar station intercepted the Russian aircraft and quickly reported it to the SAS plane that could reach to change course.

The two aircraft passed each other 50 km south of Malmö with just 90 yards. The minimum limit is 300 meters.

- It was very close. I can imagine that it must have been an unpleasant experience in the cockpit , says Jens Olsson from the Swedish accident commission.

He reports to the Swedish broadcaster SVT that there is a lljusjin II - 20M . In the study material it says that SAS aircraft crew had close visual contact with the Russian aircraft as they passed each other .

- The crew could see that the plane was gray- painted and had four turboprop engines and a large antenna on the roof. They looked the other hand, no characteristics of the aircraft, says Jens Olsson .
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:11 am

Dangerous stuff.

Has Russia stepped up its miliitary presence lately around the skies of western Europe with the recent events in Ukraine?
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:17 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):

There was a Bear intercepted off the Scottish coast last week
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
Has Russia stepped up its miliitary presence lately around the skies of western Europe with the recent events in Ukraine?

At least along the Norwegian coast it has been high for quite a few year
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 10:04 am

Now lets just see whether Ekstra Bladet got the facts right. Not that I would dismiss it, but its not Berlingske, Jyllands Posten or Politiken who posted it, but one tabloid in the same league as Bild, The Sun or Blick.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 12:44 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
Has Russia stepped up its miliitary presence lately around the skies of western Europe with the recent events in Ukraine?

They resumed their long range patrols around 2007 and have occasionally been in the news since then. The crisis in Ukraine just makes it more interesting to report it now.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
Now lets just see whether Ekstra Bladet got the facts right. Not that I would dismiss it, but its not Berlingske, Jyllands Posten or Politiken who posted it, but one tabloid in the same league as Bild, The Sun or Blick.

It's also being reported by DR and the Swedish SVT:
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2014/05/08/093001.htm
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/...nara-krocka-med-ryskt-spaningsplan
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 1:25 pm

There was a piece in the German newspaper FAZ (www.faz.net), about increasing activity of the Russians over the Baltic, North Sea etc. The reasoning was to test NATO responses and see how fast they could react and if they would react at all etc.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting DrStrange (Reply 7):
There was a piece in the German newspaper FAZ (www.faz.net), about increasing activity of the Russians over the Baltic, North Sea etc. The reasoning was to test NATO responses and see how fast they could react and if they would react at all etc.

In Der Spiegel was also an article about increasing activities of them over the Pacific (Korea,Japan,Guam) and also near the US West-coast (California).
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 1:47 pm

I think it is more important that the Russians have found a way to cloak larger tirbo-prop a/c from radar.
Interesting stuff especially when you consider the billions the USA and its allies are spending on the stealthy F-35 which some are already saying is not too stealthy.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 9):
I think it is more important that the Russians have found a way to cloak larger tirbo-prop a/c from radar.

They didn't if we're to believe the news report which says: A radar station intercepted the Russian aircraft and quickly reported it to the SAS plane.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 2:32 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
They didn't if we're to believe the news report which says: A radar station intercepted the Russian aircraft and quickly reported it to the SAS plane.

Yes, after the airport and the a/c did not detect the initial encounter.
Of course we have to take the initial reports as just that, initial.  
Quoting B735 (Thread starter):
Immediately after the aircraft had taken off , the pilots report that an unidentified aircraft flew in the middle of their route.

The plane could not be seen on the airport surveillance system, and the pilots discovered nor the mysterious aircraft in their system.

90 meters from the collision
A radar station intercepted the Russian aircraft and quickly reported it to the SAS plane that could reach to change course.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 3:22 pm

Must have made an interesting discussion at the danish mod.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 4:04 pm

I guess it was only invisible on secondary surveillance radar. Crazy Russians.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 7:57 pm

Well... Swedish newspapers informed some weeks ago that the government had allowed NATO survaillance planes (AWACS) to fly over Sweden between Norway and Poland as the Western forces increased their activity in the aerea. There is not only "crazy Russians" flying secretevely around the Scandinvian skies.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 8:01 pm

Quoting il75 (Reply 14):

Well... Swedish newspapers informed some weeks ago that the government had allowed NATO survaillance planes (AWACS) to fly over Sweden between Norway and Poland as the Western forces increased their activity in the aerea. There is not only "crazy Russians" flying secretevely around the Scandinvian skies.

Could it be a response to this event?

http://www.businessinsider.com/david...ted-a-massive-aerial-attack-2013-4

In this case, "crazy Russians" does indeed apply.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 8:45 pm

Quoting il75 (Reply 13):
There is not only "crazy Russians" flying secretevely around the Scandinvian skies.

But as you mention...

Quoting il75 (Reply 13):
the government had allowed NATO survaillance planes (AWACS) to fly over Sweden

... so I think there is a big difference between the two.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:24 pm

I wonder if we sent spy planes to fly over Moscow, St Petersberg and other Russian airports they'd be so understanding.
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:39 pm

the airspace around Moscow is hardly international unlike the area where the IL-20 was flying over the baltic sea.
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 9:48 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 16):
I wonder if we sent spy planes to fly over Moscow, St Petersberg and other Russian airports they'd be so understanding.

No they wouldn't (neither would the US be very understanding of overflying DC or LA) but it's very common for US and Russian aircraft to be on each others coasts just outside of US/Russian airspace. Just the other day my friends in the Chair Force detected, intercepted and said hello to a couple of Russian bombers off the coast of California. Incidents like that have been happening for years but are making the news more these days because of what is going on in the Ukraine.
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Thu May 08, 2014 11:16 pm

It was an Ilyushin IL-20M (NATO name "Coot A"), which is the ELINT version of the IL-18 airliner and military transport.

Some 800 IL-18 were built mainly in the 1960'es, and they were used around the world. The few remaining examples are operated by Russia and North Korea only.
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Fri May 09, 2014 8:03 am

Now lets imagine they had crashed. What a scary escalation that would have been...
 
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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Fri May 09, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
Could it be a response to this event?

http://www.businessinsider.com/david...ted-a-massive-aerial-attack-2013-4

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RE: Near Miss SAS And Russia Spy Plane

Fri May 09, 2014 9:55 am

I read in a swedish newspaper that the problem was that the civil aviation uses "level 2" radar that is a passive radar. And if military aviation or civil put of its transponders it does not show.

Now Swedish military with active radar contacted the civil air administration and told them that there was activity not shown with transponders in the area.

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