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Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 10:10 am

According to the GDS, Effective 01AUG Emirates will start a 5th daily flight to SIN using a B777-300. the schedule is as follows

EK 352 DXB SIN 2115 0900+1
EK 353 SIN DXB 1035 1345


The 5 daily flights to SIN are routed as follows

2 daily DXB - SIN - DXB
1 daily DXB - SIN - MEL and v.v
1 daily DXB - SIN - BNE and v.v
1 daily DXB - CMB - SIN and v.v

[Edited 2014-05-12 03:13:42]

[Edited 2014-05-12 03:35:25]
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RE: Emirates To Start A 5th Daily To SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 10:24 am

Wow. Congratulations to both Emirates and Singapore for this additional daily flight!
Seems like EK is upping the game in SQ's home.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
1 daily DXB - CMB - SIN


Didn't know this route is still running. I thought Emirates planned on cutting this flight around late last year?

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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 11:36 am

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
2 daily DXB - SIN - DXB
1 daily DXB - SIN - MEL and v.v
1 daily DXB - SIN - BNE and v.v
1 daily DXB - CMB - SIN and v.v

For me, it is difficult to find commercial rationale with such rotations. I think, none-stop flights takes all premium passengers. In one-stop rotations you have higher operation cost, and lower yield. How this makes sense commercially?
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting smbukas (Reply 2):
In one-stop rotations you have higher operation cost, and lower yield. How this makes sense commercially?

For the Australian routes you can fill the plane to 100% cargo capacity, and don't have to worry about any load restrictions on 14-15 hour flights. I agree that CMB seems like a strange route, but for BNE and MEL cargo is what makes it fly.
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 1:29 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
I agree that CMB seems like a strange route, but for BNE and MEL cargo is what makes it fly.

This might be the answer. Where I saw any report, all these additional sectors fly with empty premium cabins (where direct service is available). It looks strange cargo revenues are so great it could compensate that, but - maybe.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 2:47 pm

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
using a B777-300

And as is so often the case at EK, the aircraft changes to B77W not much later, in the case of this new flight from 01DEC onwards.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Mon May 12, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
For the Australian routes you can fill the plane to 100% cargo capacity, and don't have to worry about any load restrictions on 14-15 hour flights. I agree that CMB seems like a strange route, but for BNE and MEL cargo is what makes it fly.

I thought this was a leftover from the contract EK had to 'manage' Sri Lankan Airlines on behalf of the government. This service was a code share between the airlines at one point, and might still be.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 1:52 am

How's EK having a contract awarded for managing a OneWord member UL? EK isn't even in ANY GROUPS!
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):
How's EK having a contract awarded for managing a OneWord member UL? EK isn't even in ANY GROUPS!

Until a few years back, EK held a 43% stake in UL.

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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 2:34 am

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):
How's EK having a contract awarded for managing a OneWord member UL?

It ended several years ago. EK was a minority shareholder and given management responsibility. And even if they were still in charge how is that relevant to which alliance UL is or isn't in?
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 3:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
I agree that CMB seems like a strange route

Provides Lankans an alternative one-stop option into MEL & BNE
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 4:13 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
For the Australian routes you can fill the plane to 100% cargo capacity, and don't have to worry about any load restrictions on 14-15 hour flights. I agree that CMB seems like a strange route, but for BNE and MEL cargo is what makes it fly.

CX also fly SIN-CMB when they could easily fly HKG-CMB. I guess there must be something worth chasing in the SIN-CMB market.
This additional non-stop DXB-SIN route seems to suggest that DXB-SIN-MEL may drop the SIN stop. If they need a one-stop for cargo there's still DXB-KUL-MEL, and weaker premium competition on KUL-MEL than SIN-MEL.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 7:53 am

CMB's market is too small to justify any direct flight from HKG / DXB.
Therefore, a stopover in SIN is added to help to improve the loading of the flight.
Same as other tag-on flights numbers of airline are doing.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 8:10 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 7):
How's EK having a contract awarded for managing a OneWord member UL?

It ended several years ago. EK was a minority shareholder and given management responsibility. And even if they were still in charge how is that relevant to which alliance UL is or isn't in?

Even more lacking in thought given the number of Qantas OW ticket holders flying on Red,Green, White and Black stripped golden lettered B77w and 388 aircraft every day !
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 9:47 am

Even though modern wide-bodies are now able to fly 8000 NM non-stop, It's amazing that a good number of passengers still specifically choose the SIN stop on EK flights from Australia in order to walk a bit and stretch their legs during transit.

10 abreast 77W might also be a factor in that.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 11):
This additional non-stop DXB-SIN route seems to suggest that DXB-SIN-MEL may drop the SIN stop. If they need a one-stop for cargo there's still DXB-KUL-MEL, and weaker premium competition on KUL-MEL than SIN-MEL.

Not so sure but its a possibility.

If we look at the MEL-Gulf competition, it is quite intense:

- With both EK and QF operating MEL-DXB non-stop A380 1 x daily each (plus the EK MEL-SIN-DXB and MEL-KUL-DXB 1 x daily each)
- EY possibly to go to 2 x daily (currently 1 x daily 77W) to AUH next year prior to the A380 moving onto the route in 2016
- QR flying MEL-DOH 1 x daily 77W

The stops have given EK the chance to offer MEL-Asia and Asia-DXB capacity, however with QF now their partner, ceasing the 1 X daily EK MEL-SIN-DXB route in favour on a new non-stop EK MEL-DXB might be a good idea. It would likely take some pressure off QF's struggles into SIN as a terminator destination by reducing competition on the sector.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 11:00 am

I flew both DXB-CMB and CMB-SIN on 2 weeks ago, both flights was rather empty, from DXB loading in Y is about 60% and from CMB the loading is only about 40% at best.

But I guess the yielding is good as most people I see onboard are serious business people, only a few ppl here and there appears to be travelers like me wearing a I Love Sri Lanka T-shirt with flip flops on.

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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 12:31 pm

I was on this flight a few months ago, and 100-odd passengers travelling EK CMB-SIN were connecting onto EK SIN-MEL.

It offers a very convenient connection and Melbourne has one of the largest Sri Lankan communities abroad. Allows EK to target the CMB-MEL market without involving its base of DXB.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Tue May 13, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 12):
CMB's market is too small to justify any direct flight from HKG / DXB.

HKG maybe but with feed from the West DXB is more than justified.

We have;
DXB-CMB
DXB-CMB-SIN
DXB-MLE-CMB

One interesting point that I remember from April 2004 is that the route was actually;
CGK-SIN-CMB-DXB!
 
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RE: Emirates To Start 5th Daily DXB SIN From 01AUG14

Wed May 14, 2014 9:46 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
For the Australian routes you can fill the plane to 100% cargo capacity, and don't have to worry about any load restrictions on 14-15 hour flights. I agree that CMB seems like a strange route, but for BNE and MEL cargo is what makes it fly.

It's something that everyone hear. Cargo makes up the loss in pax cabin.
However, premium cabin still makes lot more money than cargo.
The heavier you carry, the more fuel you will carry and burn. SIN-Australia are full of ship if you don't need those cargo super fast.

And I wonder what are those cargo from SIN-MEL/BNE and v.v. Any ideas?
Let's just blame it on yields.

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