molitvic20
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Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 4:15 pm

Saw this video, thought it was interesting, so I wanted to share it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...-911-widow-cockpit-breach.cnn.html
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 5:15 pm

This is why CNN's ratings are at an all time low.
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 5:19 pm

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 1):
This is why CNN's ratings are at an all time low.

Actually they're at an all-time high thanks to them focusing exclusively on the search for MH370. *shakes head*
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 5:28 pm

Ratings have dropped since they've stopped talking about the flight

http://www.thewrap.com/cnn-tv-rating...s-flight-370-cable-fox-news-msnbc/
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 5:31 pm

Hum, the drink cart magically disappears and the crew put up absolutely no resistance. I get the point the video is trying to make but I think they went a little too far in how easy it would be for someone to do that.
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 6:18 pm

The only way to prevent entry 100% is with a secondary barrier/door.
A single door with people passing through is asinine if there are three or four perpetrators in the forward cabin.
A 200lb guy easily takes out a 120lb flight attendent, but what happens if there are four guys attacking?

On the flip side how often do attacks occur? So it could be more cost effective to save the money and resign to the idea of losing one plane every thirty or so years. It was that level of complacency that allowed 9/11 to occur, wasn't it? So why change now?
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 6:32 pm

God bless Ellen Saracini for her loss, but this is the training video that the airline uses (I believe) to demonstrate how a cockpit breach *could* occur with no precautions being taken. What they don't show is the fact that they then train the crew on how to prevent this from happening.
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Wed May 14, 2014 11:12 pm

The biggest mystery in commercial aviation might be due to a cockpit that could not be breached. We've already had two incidents in recent times (Mozamibque Embraer murder-suicide and Ethiopian hijacking to Switzerland) that underscore the dangers of impenetrable cockpits.
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 1:27 am

Pretty useless video IMO. Not much can be seen and having the door open while people exit to take a leak makes the cockpit much more accessible. Show me a video in which a modern 777 cockpit door is rammed open in less than 2 seconds and then we can talk...
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 3:43 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 10):
Not much can be seen and having the door open while people exit to take a leak makes the cockpit much more accessible.

I think the point was just accessing the flight deck. When that happens, no matter the way it is done, its game over,

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 10):
Show me a video in which a modern 777 cockpit door is rammed open in less than 2 seconds and then we can talk...

Agreed, would be hard to push a cart through the door that is up a step too. The doorway on the cabin side of the flight deck door is also quite cramped no?
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 5:09 am

Actually the only way to really secure the cockpit would be to remove the cockpit access from the cabin completely, and give the pilots another entry door from outside the aircraft, along with their own lavatory, and maybe a microwave or coffeemaker.

But in all honesty, is this really news worthy? All the years of commercial aviation and this has been the case, and no one talked about it until 9/11, and then everyone kind of forgot until just recently when this woman brought it up again.

I am sorry for her loss, and those of her husband's co-workers, but really it isn't news.

I would also like to shame CNN for posting instructions on how to gain access to the flight deck. SHAME!!!
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 6:42 am

What incredible nonsense.



Of course it was a lot more realistic with the vacuuming sounds   
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 6:56 am

With recent deeds by the cockpit crew, it will always have to be balance between. (Helios flight also comes to my mind)
 
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 7:50 am

Handcuff all pax to their seats and spray the cabin with a mild tranquilliser during the flight. make all planes so that someone on the ground can override all pilot inputs in the event the pilot decides to kill himself and everyone on board. Problem solved. No more potential hijacks or pilot suicides.
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 8:46 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 10):
I would also like to shame CNN for posting instructions on how to gain access to the flight deck. SHAME!!!

I don't think it requires much knowledge for a healthy individual to run through an opened door.

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 10):
Actually the only way to really secure the cockpit would be to remove the cockpit access from the cabin completely, and give the pilots another entry door from outside the aircraft, along with their own lavatory, and maybe a microwave or coffeemaker.

And that won't be good if the madman happens to be inside the cockpit, like in LAM470, ET702 & possibly MH370.
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RE: Cockpit Breach In 2 Seconds

Thu May 15, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 14):

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 10):
I would also like to shame CNN for posting instructions on how to gain access to the flight deck. SHAME!!!

I don't think it requires much knowledge for a healthy individual to run through an opened door.

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 10):
Actually the only way to really secure the cockpit would be to remove the cockpit access from the cabin completely, and give the pilots another entry door from outside the aircraft, along with their own lavatory, and maybe a microwave or coffeemaker.

And that won't be good if the madman happens to be inside the cockpit, like in LAM470, ET702 & possibly MH370.


I realize it doesn't take much to figure it out... but when you show the entire world a video of how it's done, explaining how the carts are top heavy, you are informing more people that may not know/ or wouldn't have figured it all out.

Secondly, I agree with cockpit access from the cabin. That little part was a bit tongue in cheek.

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