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New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Mon May 26, 2014 8:16 pm

Welcome to the 144th thread of New Zealand Aviation. Link to thread #143 New Zealand Aviation Thread 143 (by 777ER May 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

With the winter freeze arriving its likely to get a bit rough with cancellations and delays. So throw on those winter jackets and enjoy the snow around ZQN!
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 4:32 am

it seems that NZ will increase services to PPT over the NORTHERN winter - they must really love the 763 at the moment.

Air New Zealand from 10 DEC 14 to 24 MAR 15 is adding 3rd weekly flight on Auckland – Papeete route

NZ 040 AKL 1000 – 1615-1 PPT 763 13

full break down is on view at

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/26/nz-ppt-dec14/

hope you all enjoy the winter weather! Here in Beijing today it's a nice 32 Degrees and Sunny -AND this week will hit 40+ !
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 5:23 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
it seems that NZ will increase services to PPT over the NORTHERN winter - they must really love the 763 at the moment.

It's still an aircraft perfectly suited to most of NZ routes after all these years. NCG is 21 years old on 28JUL. I've noticed how Tahiti (both TN & NZ) has been advertised a lot lately.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 7:52 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
it seems that NZ will increase services to PPT over the NORTHERN winter - they must really love the 763 at the moment.

It's still an aircraft perfectly suited to most of NZ routes after all these years. NCG is 21 years old on 28JUL. I've noticed how Tahiti (both TN & NZ) has been advertised a lot lately.


If NZ had've known about the 787 delays earlier I have no doubt they would have held on to 2 more frames and utilised them well. The refit and winglets really keep the 763 useful.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):

Thanks for that. Expected Mon AKL-PPT-AKL to be a 77E like last year as all the 763's were utilised. Something else on Mon will be have to be a 77E or retimed. There are some changes to AKL-BNE-AKL equipment and afternoon flight times.

And checking AKL-SYD-AKL for the Thu Dec 18 week found Sat NZ61 12h 20m and NZ60 SYD-AKL 12h 40m (via RAR). Presume it's a computer spasm. Don't know if you could actually book these.

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Tue May 27, 2014 10:32 am

EK AKL question. Are all three flights (via MEL, SYD & BNE) A380's now? And what's their timing? Is there a point during the day when three EK A380's are laying over? That would be a sight.

Re: Tahiti, the Fr Poly tourism authority is doing a massive push at the moment. In late June they're introducing a three-week tourist visa waiver for Chinese nationals too, quite a change of direction.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 10:55 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 5):
EK AKL question. Are all three flights (via MEL, SYD & BNE) A380's now? And what's their timing? Is there a point during the day when three EK A380's are laying over? That would be a sight.

Yup all 3 are A380, all arrive and depart at close proximity to each other so there are a few hours a day where 3 are on the tarmac, very hard to see though from a spotters point of view with 2 of them parked away from the main pier
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 11:04 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 6):

Another reason why AIAL should extend the new pier sooner rather than later.. Have a lineup of 3 EK A380s daily!  
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 1:43 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 4):
And checking AKL-SYD-AKL for the Thu Dec 18 week found Sat NZ61 12h 20m and NZ60 SYD-AKL 12h 40m (via RAR). Presume it's a computer spasm. Don't know if you could actually book these.

Very interesting/weird how that routing is showing up. If you all day then heck, that would be an adventure!
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 6:08 pm

Appears the 787 has been granted 330-min EDTO

I can't get the link to paste so do a Google search on Reuter's for it
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 9:56 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):

I can't get the link to paste so do a Google search on Reuter's for it

Here's one reference...

http://www.travelandtourworld.com/ne...nute-etops-certification-for-787s/

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The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration today approved additional extended operations (ETOPS) for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The move will allow 787s to be operated up to 330 minutes from a landing field and signals continued confidence in the airplane’s technical capabilities.

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[Edited 2014-05-28 14:58:20]
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 10:42 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Appears the 787 has been granted 330-min EDTO

And from the gc mapper that completely the major obstacle to nonstop services to Latin America. But not, interestingly, a hypothetical service on AKL-JNB, which would still require a detour.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Wed May 28, 2014 10:48 pm

From the 787 thread it appears 789 ZK-NZE is about to complete its first flight. Progress!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20140528/1930Z/KPAE/KMWH

 
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 11):
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Appears the 787 has been granted 330-min EDTO

And from the gc mapper that completely the major obstacle to nonstop services to Latin America.

At first I thought so ( once NZ has built up sufficient experience to convince CAA here), however, someone pointed out in a separate thread that Easter Island has quite significant limitations on its availability as an EDTO alternate. From my understanding the airport is physically capable of handling only one aircraft at a time. My understanding is that for a three hour window prior to the scheduled arrival of any flight, while that flight is on the ground, and a three hour window after the departure of the flight no other aircraft can have IPC as an EDTO alternate. I believe LAN operate daily SCL-IPCas well as twice weekly IPC-PPT and are considering re-introducing their seasonal LIM-IPC flights. All of these would make a significant dent in the availability of IPC, and I doubt whether Chile has any real interest in spending their own money to make IPC more usuable for airlines who don't actually intend to operate there but just want it available to enable EDTO.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):


But given LA's future need for the same diversion at IPC, when the A343 fleet is retired, they'll surely be lobbying the central govt and provincials on Isla de Pascua for more enhanced services at IPC. Perhaps the user pays scenario will encourage investment from mainland Chile - either govt or private, perhaps a JV.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 1:37 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Appears the 787 has been granted 330-min EDTO

LA 789s are definitely not so far away from AKL then, and the 343s dwindling down to just CX/TN. Any 343 fans should fy them while they can before they are replaced by the goppingly ugly A350. Interesting as it is, the 787s are going to be tied up PER/NRT/PVG for a little while, so South America will have to wait unless they take it back off PER.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
the 787s are going to be tied up PER/NRT/PVG for a little while, so South America will have to wait unless they take it back off PER.

Aotearoa said the other day that FAA approval of the RR/772E combination was imminent. Now this has been going on for more than 2-years. However with this hurdle out of the way NZ should be good for EDTO 330 on the 77E after about 36 months.

It takes about 260-min to smooth the route out.

The more interesting scenario is going to be CASA's response when LAN applies since I assume they will wish originate a service with the 789 out of SYD to SCL.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
someone pointed out in a separate thread that Easter Island has quite significant limitations on its availability as an EDTO alternate. From my understanding the airport is physically capable of handling only one aircraft at a time. My understanding is that for a three hour window prior to the scheduled arrival of any flight, while that flight is on the ground, and a three hour window after the departure of the flight no other aircraft can have IPC as an EDTO alternate.

Interesting to learn of the backwards restrictions on such as issue, given that from the pics I have seen of the Easter Island Airport / Apron it sure looks capable of handling two 767 / 787 sized aircraft at the same time (maybe not staff wise but in the case of the rare diversion - do people need to be sitting around waiting for the one or two diversion aircraft each year?). So, 3 hours prior, let's say 2 hours on the ground, and 3 hours after departure - so that's an 8 hour time frame per flight that prevents Easter Island from being used as a EDTO alternate - crazy!!!

[Edited 2014-05-28 19:26:42]
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 2:47 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 16):
The more interesting scenario is going to be CASA's response when LAN applies since I assume they will wish originate a service with the 789 out of SYD to SCL.

Easiest option would be to just fly SCL-AKL if CASA want to be dicks about it. Codeshare the rest of it.Not ideal but it would at least allow them to fly the route for a while to sho CASA it's perfectly safe.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 3:02 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 17):
so that's an 8 hour time frame per flight that prevents Easter Island from being used as a EDTO alternate - crazy!!!

But at 330-min IPC is not needed eastbound since an aircraft is unlikely to be more than 5.5hrs away from either AKL or a alternate in South America. Westbound could be interesting, I have a copy of a flight plan from GRU-AKL for a 744. It crossed the coast at Punta Arenas and its flight time from there to AKL was 9hrs 41min which is quite a bit less than 5.5hrs from either end of the ocean crossing. Does a plan need to be filed with IPC as an alternate , I don't know. Another had the coast crossing at Puerto Montt and the cross water time was right on 11hrs. Pretty close to the 5.5hrs from either end.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 3:04 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 17):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
someone pointed out in a separate thread that Easter Island has quite significant limitations on its availability as an EDTO alternate. From my understanding the airport is physically capable of handling only one aircraft at a time. My understanding is that for a three hour window prior to the scheduled arrival of any flight, while that flight is on the ground, and a three hour window after the departure of the flight no other aircraft can have IPC as an EDTO alternate.

Interesting to learn of the backwards restrictions on such as issue, given that from the pics I have seen of the Easter Island Airport / Apron it sure looks capable of handling two 767 / 787 sized aircraft at the same time (maybe not staff wise but in the case of the rare diversion - do people need to be sitting around waiting for the one or two diversion aircraft each year?). So, 3 hours prior, let's say 2 hours on the ground, and 3 hours after departure - so that's an 8 hour time frame per flight that prevents Easter Island from being used as a EDTO alternate - crazy!!!

I have found the reference I was looking for in this thread New Zealand Aviation Thread 143 (by 777ER May 9 2014 in Civil Aviation) - look at replies 139 and 143
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 4:06 am

Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 12):

From the 787 thread it appears 789 ZK-NZE is about to complete its first flight. Progress!

Yes, finally. The first flight comes 9 years, 11 months and 26 days* after Air New Zealand ordered the aircraft (though technically it was a 7E7 back then). I wonder if this is a record. Here is a photo and video of ZK-NZE's first flight/landing:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5530/14293043192_999d691403_o.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTAfHwJfZXo
Kudos to the pilot flying for such a smooth landing.  

*or 3,647 days total.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 17):
pics I have seen of the Easter Island Airport / Apron it sure looks capable of handling two 767 / 787 sized aircraft at the same time

I think the issue is that if one of the aircraft gets stranded on the runway, the other aircraft will be prevented from landing.

[Edited 2014-05-28 21:17:08]
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 5:09 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 19):

Interesting figures.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 20):

Thanks for the link!

Quoting zkojq (Reply 21):
I think the issue is that if one of the aircraft gets stranded on the runway, the other aircraft will be prevented from landing.

That is one of the only issues I can think of.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 5:40 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 21):
(though technically it was a 7E7 back then)

and originally was a 788 rather than a 789.

I'm happy that it is almost here delivered, and I'm happier still about the EDTO330, it's going to be great to be in a growth phase again - But I'll be honest, I'm over 787s now. The novelty factor has long since worn off now they have been in operation for 2 years already, and I've done a longhaul sector on one - there really is no noticeable difference other than the windows and they have already started filling them up with seats. I hope they don't make too much of being the first 789 operator- as the moment has now passed for making a big deal (with the delay you mentioned not surprising). I'll still have 3-4 more sectors on both the 788/789 the end of this year, but very soon they will be more common than anything else. TBH I'm looking forward to my 77L,346,736 sectors more this year than the 787 sectors.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 7:17 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
787 has been granted 330-min EDTO

This is excellent news! This will really open up new routes/enable better operations for all long haul Australian/New Zealand routes.

In all honesty I never thought this would happen so quickly. LAN will benefit currently the most from this due to their operations to AKL.

NZs AKL-LAX/SFO don't really need this new ETOPS standard as the flights currently work well and even if going 240min the time saving is still minimal.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
LA 789s are definitely not so far away from AKL then, and the 343s dwindling down to just CX/TN

Guess I really need to find the time for a weekend away in SYD to try the A343. Really gutted about missing the A342 but time/cash didn't work

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
I'll still have 3-4 more sectors on both the 788/789 the end of this year, but very soon they will be more common than anything else. TBH I'm looking forward to my 77L,346,736 sectors more this year than the 787 sectors.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR **grinding my teeth in anger with steam coming out my ears and nose** Both of my 788 attempts have failed! First attempt was cancelled when the FAA grounded every 787 24 hours before my flight and then my second attempt was cancelled when UA couldn't get the correct crew to DEN. Tried really hard to get on the next days 788 flight to IAH but the booking agent decided to book me on the first possible flight which ended up being a B739ER. I tried to get on a Westjet B736 and B73G next month but nothing worked in my favour. Hoping I can book a CNS-GUM on a UA B73G and a UA B764 from HNL-IAD next February.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 7:34 am

Vincent Aviation's Australian operations is now bankrupt and today their Bae146-300 ZK-ECO returned to WLG

On Wednesday 28 May 2014, Andrew Fielding and Gerald Collins of BDO Business Recovery & Insolvency (Qld) Pty Ltd were appointed Receivers and Managers of Vincent Aviation. The Receivers and Managers ceased trading while an urgent assessment of the business and its operations is undertaken.

The appointment does not include or affect the New Zealand operations of Vincent Aviation Limited.


http://www.vincentaviation.com.au/ne...d-managers-appointed-28th-may-2014
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 7:58 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
NZs AKL-LAX/SFO don't really need this new ETOPS standard as the flights currently work well and even if going 240min the time saving is still minimal.

The difference can be pronounced sometimes. Just the other week NZ5 was a 77E, NZ1 of course a 77W. Departure time about 45 minutes apart but because NZ1 could operate EDTO 240, the flight time was around 30 minutes less. That's 3-4 tonnes of gas saved.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:01 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
Both of my 788 attempts have failed

The longhauls are your best chance for 788s "guaranteed" (unless you're flying Norwegian - then you get a EuroAtlantic 763) but UA/JL/NH all have them running from NRT to US destinations like LAX/SFO/DEN/SJC/SAN/BOS and LO do some great Euro-bound fares via ORD/JFK/YYZ if you're heading that way. My next 787-8 flights will likely be on ET probably.

Just a word of warning - don't book NZ to Australia if you arre still chasing a 787 flight - there is a lot of potential for substitution as they have many reasons for swap to either 763/772, even A320... Even for PER, I'd be wary for the first few months.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
Guess I really need to find the time for a weekend away in SYD to try the A343.

Good TN fares to LAX could be more useful for you maybe..
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 10:00 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 27):
Good TN fares to LAX could be more useful for you maybe..

I just saw on TV AKL-LAX return for $1299 on TN. That is pretty good!

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 27):
Just a word of warning - don't book New Zealand">NZ to Australia if you arre still chasing a 787 flight

Are the SYD flights already bookable? I couldn't find any. Do you know the weeks/months for those?

I did the JQ 788 MEL-AKL in March, and it was pretty nice. But just like you said, not much of a difference. I also did NH's 788 HND-HIJ-HND, a few days after entry into service. Still a big deal back then, and crowds on the observation decks, but again, not that much of a difference. Although NH was VERY nice, and had excellent food in (domestic) F - they even gave you a doggy bag to take it home if you didn;t want to eat it on the short sector.

I agree with you that other flights are more exciting. I am still looking for the 753 and 764 some time. I regret not having the 707 and even Caravelle in my logbook - I had opportunities - but happy that the B727, B732, DC9, DC8, DC10 and L1011 are there  

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Thu May 29, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR **grinding my teeth in anger with steam coming out my ears and nose** Both of my 788 attempts have failed! First attempt was cancelled when the FAA grounded every 787 24 hours before my flight and then my second attempt was cancelled when UA couldn't get the correct crew to DEN. Tried really hard to get on the next days 788 flight to IAH but the booking agent decided to book me on the first possible flight which ended up being a B739ER. I tried to get on a Westjet B736 and B73G next month but nothing worked in my favour. Hoping I can book a CNS-GUM on a UA B73G and a UA B764 from HNL-IAD next February.

Better luck next time, mate! I feel your pain. The 753 gives me that kind of pain. I'd give my left you know what to fly on a 753 but I'd still get shafted somehow by the flying pencil.

Ironically, the 787 grounding was how I got my only 787 flight. I was in TX last year when the grounding was lifted and they were flying many daily hops out of IAH. I used vouchers with WN to get a free flight AUS-DEN and then paid $115 USD for DEN-IAH on the 788 followed by IAH-AUS on my first 739ER - the 788 almost got cancelled because of smoke coming out of the engines during a ground test (the FAs told me this, I saw the smoke, but though it was routine) but it got logged as well as my first 739 flight - what a day... Now I'm in BKK wondering if it's worth attempting an A319 logbook run on Bangkok Airways...
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 28):
Are the SYD flights already bookable?

No, not unless you have a contact in NZ...  They will not show up in any system, just a surprise on the day.. Of course internally we will know exactly which ones but no guarantees on those training flights. I will be out of the country for almost all of August so I won't be much use...

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 29):
The 753 gives me that kind of pain

HNL-SFO-HNL. Easiest way of obtaining a 753/764 from this part of the world. I was for a while trying to make sure my upcoming trip had 762/763/764 in the one trip but it won't work out that way currently.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 10:59 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 30):
HNL-SFO-HNL. Easiest way of obtaining a 753/764 from this part of the world. I was for a while trying to make sure my upcoming trip had 762/763/764 in the one trip but it won't work out that way currently.

Hopefully my DTW-LAS 753 goes ahead...
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 11:40 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 27):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):Guess I really need to find the time for a weekend away in SYD to try the A343.Good TN fares to LAX could be more useful for you maybe..

I think I'm like you, prefer to use Star long haul. I don't really care about the airpoints, just the status points, so sadly my only way to get on an A340 long haul is either on TG or Swiss. Can't remember if TG use the A346 to AKL now? Does SYD still get it?

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 27):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):Both of my 788 attempts have failedThe longhauls are your best chance for 788s "guaranteed"

I know UA use the 788 from Asia, but apart from that I don't know what other airlines use them long haul, especially to/from the USA

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 29):
Better luck next time, mate! I feel your pain. The 753 gives me that kind of pain. I'd give my left you know what to fly on a 753 but I'd still get shafted somehow by the flying pencil.

I'm about to have my 2nd and 3rd 753 sectors next month and July. Decided to splash out for F on the UA 753 sector. The DL 753 is in an economy plus area.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 29):
, the 787 grounding was how I got my only 787 flight. I was in TX last year when the grounding was lifted and they were flying many daily hops out of IAH. I used vouchers with WN to get a free flight AUS-DEN and then paid $115 USD for DEN-IAH on the 788 followed by IAH-AUS on my first 739ER

When my 788 sector was cancelled, it totally stuffed up my first day in MIA as I had a tour booked. I complained to UA since it was their fault and got a $150 voucher in return, which I used to book the above 753 F sector. Not expecting much extra sleep but looking forward to a wider seat
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 12:30 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
and originally was a 788 rather than a 789.

Indeed.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
I'm over 787s now. The novelty factor has long since worn off now they have been in operation for 2 years already

I agree. Most importantly, they won't even be the first to fly the 787 here, which presumably makes hyping it up a bit difficult for the marketing department. Personally, I'd rather be on a 767/A330/A340 for mid to long-haul flights due to more spacious seating configurations. Nonetheless (and despite the ugly fern on the side), I still intend to do all I can to be on the first flight. Being on the first flight of a new aircraft (even if it is just a sub-type) is something special. Something I would tell (hypothetical) grandchildren about.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
my only way to get on an A340 long haul is either on TG or Swiss.

Or Lufthansa? They fly the A340-600 between HKG and MUC. This is normally my favored route to/from Europe. I think they go to LAX too.

[Edited 2014-05-29 05:31:16]
 
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
there really is no noticeable difference other than the windows a


I'm surprised you did not notice the lack of rumble in the wind noise over the fusulage . My experience was that it was a smooth shush with no vibrations.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 1:56 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 33):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):my only way to get on an A340 long haul is either on TG or Swiss.
Or Lufthansa? They fly the A340-600 between HKG and MUC. This is normally my favored route to/from Europe. I think they go to LAX too.

Totally forgot about LH. While searching for fares returning from DTW in July I looked at that route but decided to just do DL/NZ
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:31 pm

Worth reading if you are interested in a summary of ICAO changes relating to EDTO..

www.ifalda.org/uploads/IFALDA_Report...the_New_ICAO_Annex_6_Fuel-EDTO.doc ICAO annex on ETOPS
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Thu May 29, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
I know UA use the 788 from Asia, but apart from that I don't know what other airlines use them long haul, especially to/from the USA

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NH NRT-SAN, NRT-SEA (2-4-2 still if you're lucky) I think It's the best way to get to SEA (AKL-NRT 789 NRT-SEA 788)
LO ORD-WAW, JFK-WAW,YYZ-WAW
ET ADD-YYZ ADD-IAD (1 stop FCO)
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JL NRT-SAN,NRT-BOS, HND-SFO, NRT-HNL
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Fri May 30, 2014 12:52 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 19):
But at 330-min IPC is not needed eastbound since an aircraft is unlikely to be more than 5.5hrs away from either AKL or a alternate in South America. Westbound could be interesting, I have a copy of a flight plan from GRU-AKL for a 744. It crossed the coast at Punta Arenas and its flight time from there to AKL was 9hrs 41min which is quite a bit less than 5.5hrs from either end of the ocean crossing. Does a plan need to be filed with IPC as an alternate , I don't know. Another had the coast crossing at Puerto Montt and the cross water time was right on 11hrs. Pretty close to the 5.5hrs from either end.

Agree - looking at the great circle mapping tool, and drawing a 330min circle around CHC and another around PUQ, flights from AKL-EZE or GRU both fall within the allowable zone. Flights from AKL-SCL would require a very small diversion to stay compliant. However the area of overlap between the PUQ and CHC circles is small, and unhelpful wind conditions might make that routing very difficult. Notwithstanding, a circle around PPT provides a slightly more northerly EDTO 330-compliant route from AKL-South America.

Bottom line is that the availablity of IPC may not be that relevant with EDTO-330.

If the issue at IPC is the possibility of an aircraft blocking the runway, then surely that's an issue that would apply to all single-runway airports - including AKL?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
Vincent Aviation's Australian operations is now bankrupt

Not bankrupt, in receivership.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Fri May 30, 2014 2:12 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 38):
the PUQ and CHC circles is small, and unhelpful wind conditions might make that routing very difficult.

I believe years ago AR had a tech stop service via RGL. This might suggest that a more southerly launch location for the across the ocean routing is beneficial.
The two 744 flight plans I referred to were same day same time departures from GRU . Both were an identical distance of 6556nm. The northern plan had a 15hr08m flight time, the southern plan a 14hr 25m flight time. Go into FlightAware and look at the track for the LAN 343 flight westbound . You will see they head SW for quite a distance before turning NW . Presumably the winds are more favorable using this dog leg style of track.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Fri May 30, 2014 2:12 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 38):
If the issue at IPC is the possibility of an aircraft blocking the runway, then surely that's an issue that would apply to all single-runway airports - including AKL?

And how far is it from AKL to the next runway a commercial airliner could use? A hell of a lot closer than it is in IPCs case, I bet!

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Fri May 30, 2014 6:42 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
Can't remember if TG use the A346 to AKL now?

Nope - all B772 now  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
A340 long haul is either on TG or Swiss.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 33):
Or Lufthansa? They fly the A340-600 between HKG and MUC. This is normally my favored route to/from Europe. I think they go to LAX too.
LH flies a lot of A346 into MUC, both from Asia and from LAX/SFO/YVR (and other North American cities), and also A343 (might be only FRA).

Another Star option is SA on PER-JNB. In my only two returns I got A342, A343 and A346, plus an A346 on CPT-JNB. TK has some A340s as well, but I am not sure where they operate to/from. And SK has A343s as well (I flew them CPH-NRT, but they also operate them to/from North America).

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 34):
I'm surprised you did not notice the lack of rumble in the wind noise over the fusulage . My experience was that it was a smooth shush with no vibrations.

Funny enough, I actually found the NH B788 surprisngly noisy. Of course, it is subjective, but I was surprised. The A380 (SQ and LH) in contrast is noticably quieter to me.

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[Edited 2014-05-30 00:18:33]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Fri May 30, 2014 6:49 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 37):

Thanks for that list. There is also a NH NRT-SJC

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 38):
If the issue at IPC is the possibility of an aircraft blocking the runway, then surely that's an issue that would apply to all single-runway airports - including AKL?

Comparing AKL with IPC is crazy! They are two different airports in two different locations in regards to ETOPS. IPC has a point of no return where AKL doesn't on its current routes
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 8:24 am

 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 am

it seems the upgrade of the 1st 772 - ZK-OKA which has already been out of service for 2 months will spend at least another month in the hanger and not return to service till early July. (should have been back this month) have ANZES found that going 10 across in Y a problem? or are there other problems in the work which could a 'knock-on' effect! ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 10:20 am

Quoting nzrich (Reply 43):

Possible NZ Airbus order

Interesting. I wonder if this potential order is to replace the Trans Tasman fleet or to simply expand it?

Edit: The article states the order was edged up to 15 aircraft. My sources can't seem to find another A320 being ordered by NZ. Are they referring to OJK?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 10:28 am

The interesting part is "or around a dozen A320-family aircraft" - will we see an order for A321s for TT and Pacific Island services?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 41):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):Can't remember if TG use the A346 to AKL now?Nope - all B772 now

Darn! AKL is becoming too much a B777 hub now  
Quoting zkeoj (Reply 41):
A343 (might be only FRA).

I know DTW-FRA during the peak season gets a daily A346

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 46):
will we see an order for A321s for TT and Pacific Island services?

Some routes certainly do need a bigger aircraft with hopefully J seats also
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 11:00 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 46):
The interesting part is "or around a dozen A320-family aircraft" - will we see an order for A321s for TT and Pacific Island services?

I think the 321SL is a front-runner for AKL-BNE/SYD/MEL to replace one for one the 763 ops transtasman. the others will probably be A320SLs. The 763s will be busy with CHC-PER/PPT/DPS/HNL/RAR-SYD etc...

I think what we are seeing is the freeing up ultimately of the 772 fleet off shorthaul - with the 777 becoming 763 to Australia, and the current 763 routes becoming A321 routes, thus leaving the 772 for future growth and frequency increases on longhaul and to replace the RAR-LAX..

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 44):
not return to service till early July.

12th July I think I heard.

On an unrelated note. OKR appears to ne operating to MEL as first flight (on about 15-16 but I forget which one.)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 144

Sat May 31, 2014 11:03 am

^What does the "SL" mean?

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