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AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 5:35 am

This thread (and the related threads for UA and DL) is an attempt to show the breakdown of departures by aircraft type for the US-based legacy carries, now down to just the big three. I will include statistics for just the stations that have 50 or more departures for each given airline, and will use the standard aircraft codes printed in most timetables, without considering subfleets for simplicity's sake.

I collected the data manually from the airlines' websites and downloadable timetables. I can't guarantee 100% accuracy, but it's darn close  . Also, note that I picked one day (Thursday, July 10, 2014) to use for all the data collection so that fair comparisons can be made between the airlines.

This thread contains the combined statistics for AA and US.

Enjoy!


DFW

ERD: 47
ER4: 173
CR2: 42
CR7: 20
M80: 296
319: 49
320: 5
321: 12
738: 127
752: 31
763: 13
777: 9
77W: 3

Total = 827
65.9% mainline

CLT

DH1: 15
DH3: 50
CR2: 130
CR7: 53
CR9: 106
E75: 22
M80: 2
319: 99
320: 39
321: 118
734: 12
738: 3
752: 8
762: 6
332: 5
333: 3

Total = 671
44.0% mainline

ORD

ERD: 54
ER4: 147
CR2: 14
CR7: 28
CR9: 2
E75: 94
M80: 52
319: 1
320: 6
321: 14
738: 93
763: 8
777: 6

Total = 519
34.7% mainline

PHL

DH1: 82
CR2: 145
CR9: 3
E70: 13
E75: 65
E90: 29
M80: 6
319: 36
320: 30
321: 40
734: 1
738: 3
752: 11
762: 3
332: 9
333: 5

Total = 481
36.0% mainline

MIA

ERD: 11
ER4: 52
319: 12
320: 1
321: 7
738: 162
752: 60
763: 21
777: 8
77W: 1

Total = 335
81.2% mainline

PHX

CR2: 40
CR9: 62
M80: 7
319: 61
320: 56
321: 64
738: 9
752: 9

Total = 308
66.9% mainline

DCA

DH1: 4
ERD: 1
CR2: 75
CR7: 9
E70: 44
E75: 34
E90: 15
M80: 10
319: 40
320: 3
321: 1
738: 21

Total = 257
35.0% mainline

LAX

CR2: 43
CR7: 18
CR9: 2
M80: 9
319: 1
320: 1
321: 30
738: 50
752: 21
763: 5
777: 4
77W: 1

Total = 185
65.9% mainline

LGA

DH1: 3
ERD: 28
CR2: 11
CR7: 40
CR9: 1
E75: 4
E90: 33
319: 4
320: 1
321: 7
738: 42

Total = 174
50.0% mainline

BOS

DH1: 3
CR2: 12
E70: 3
E75: 2
E90: 28
319: 21
320: 4
321: 9
738: 29
752: 6

Total = 117
82.9% mainline

JFK

ERD: 9
ER4: 8
CR7: 7
320: 2
321: 25
738: 21
752: 13
763: 9
777: 2
77W: 4

Total = 100
76.0% mainline

PIT

ERD: 1
ER4: 12
CR2: 11
CR7: 1
E70: 5
E75: 12
E90: 1
M80: 5
319: 7
320: 2
321: 1
734: 2
738: 1
752: 1

Total = 62
32.2% mainline

RDU

ERD: 6
ER4: 3
CR2: 1
CR7: 7
E70: 6
E75: 3
E90: 4
M80: 8
319: 8
320: 2
321: 2
738: 4
763: 1

Total = 55
52.7% mainline

MCO

E75: 1
M80: 10
319: 6
320: 2
321: 14
738: 7
752: 13
762: 1

Total = 54
98.1% mainline

STL

ER4: 3
CR2: 2
CR7: 13
CR9: 3
E75: 6
M80: 15
319: 6
738: 3

Total = 51
47.0% mainline
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 6:04 am

Interesting to see this.

Thanks for posting.
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 6:42 am

AA @ DFW is starting to catch up to DL in ATL in terms of flights. But even if they were tied, DL would still be larger in terms of seats most likely.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 7:06 am

The real question is, how will it look in 2015 and 2016? AA can move the same traffic on fewer, larger airplanes IMO.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 12:37 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 2):
AA @ DFW is starting to catch up to DL in ATL in terms of flights. But even if they were tied, DL would still be larger in terms of seats most likely.

Yes, the DFW hub is quite impressive. And CLT's not bad either, although the aircraft gauge is much smaller on average...

Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
The real question is, how will it look in 2015 and 2016? AA can move the same traffic on fewer, larger airplanes IMO.

It'll be interesting to watch. There is some very minor cross-fleeting present in this schedule (some 319s to MIA and some 738s to PHX), but I imagine things will be much more integrated by next summer. Also, I'm sure we'll see less M80s and 757s, and more 321s. And the 762s and 734s should be gone.
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Tue May 27, 2014 1:49 pm

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):

ORD

ERD: 54
ER4: 147
CR2: 14
CR7: 28
CR9: 2
E75: 94
M80: 52
319: 1
320: 6
321: 14
738: 93
763: 8
777: 6

No 757 @ ORD????
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Tue May 27, 2014 2:25 pm

Thank you for puting this info together.
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Tue May 27, 2014 2:48 pm

I think the low number of MD-80 departures at ORD is showing what many suspect. Eventually, ORD will no longer be an MD-80 crew base. All MD-80 flights out of ORD will be flown by DFW crew.

As MD-80 flying dwindles out of ORD, one would expect over time to see more 738s, A319s, and A320s.

With the winter schedule, I would expect to see the return of 757s flying out of ORD to the ski resorts as well as some of the departures to MIA.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 2:50 pm

Interesting to see the comparisons to LAX and PHX.....somewhat proves my point of PHX's stance in the AA hub network now.
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Tue May 27, 2014 3:06 pm

What, that it would be very difficult to replace?
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 3:22 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 7):
As MD-80 flying dwindles out of ORD, one would expect over time to see more 738s, A319s, and A320s.

And more Eagle flying too. It is interesting that ORD sees now a lot of RJ flying, more Eagle departures than mainline departures. I'm not surprised. Less and less MD-80 flying out of ORD as pointed out (I had pointed that out already in other threads) but also many RJ routes out of ORD were flown with F100 equipment back in the 90s, when ORD was a Fokker 100 crew base.
One example: ORD-EWR which saw the 727 and the F100 back in the 90s, is now all Eagle.

Thanks for the data. Interesting to know!

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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
how will it look in 2015 and 2016? AA can move the same traffic on fewer, larger airplanes IMO.

The same can be said of all three of the network airlines - the clear trend is, at least on average, toward fewer flights on larger airplanes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Interesting to see the comparisons to LAX and PHX.....somewhat proves my point of PHX's stance in the AA hub network now.

First off, I think it's way too early to draw any conclusions or "proof" of anything - particularly since AA has apparently committed to capacity levels at PHX for at least three years, so even if anything is to change, it won't happen until after then.

Secondly, as was repeated oh-so-many times over and over again last year, the real issue with PHX's general redundancy as a connecting hub is its interaction with DFW, now LAX. There was never any credible, plausible suggestion that AA would simply move the PHX hub to LAX - that would of course be impossible given AA's structural gate limitations at LAX. However, the core function that PHX serves - as an east-west hub linking the west coast (chiefly California) and the southwest to the rest of the country near-entirely overlaps with DFW, which can handle essentially the exact same traffic flows.

The combined schedule of the two airlines less than one year out from the merger closing doesn't really "prove" any "points" - yours, mine or that of anyone else. Only time will truly tell. Personally, I still expect that PHX is going to shrink - materially - as a hub over the long-term. Given long-term economic, geographic and competitive trends, I just do not see the need to continue operating a 300-departure, 2/3 mainline hub that serves essentially the exact same purpose as the dramatically (almost three times) larger hub a few hundred miles away.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 4:20 pm

Just wondering why is PIT BOS and STL on the list of hubs? They are not hubs right?
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting jetsetterusa (Reply 12):
Just wondering why is PIT BOS and STL on the list of hubs? They are not hubs right?
Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
I will include statistics for just the stations that have 50 or more departures for each given airline,
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting jetsetterusa (Reply 12):
Just wondering why is PIT BOS and STL on the list of hubs? They are not hubs right?

His criteria was to look at stations with at least 50 departures. 50 departures from any city is a goodly number, no matter how you think of it.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 5:07 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
The combined schedule of the two airlines less than one year out from the merger closing doesn't really "prove" any "points" - yours, mine or that of anyone else. Only time will truly tell. Personally, I still expect that PHX is going to shrink - materially - as a hub over the long-term. Given long-term economic, geographic and competitive trends, I just do not see the need to continue operating a 300-departure, 2/3 mainline hub that serves essentially the exact same purpose as the dramatically (almost three times) larger hub a few hundred miles away.




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I agree with you, BUT, currently PHX provides some connectivity to destinations on the West Coast that DFW doesn't/couldn't (smaller destinations in California, including LGB, BUR, Santa Barbara, etc.) and could, in the future, be used to offer connectivity to secondary cities in the Northwest (i.e., Missoula, Billings, Bismarck, Dickinson/Williston, etc.

Phoenix does have some advantages and isn't totally duplicative to DFW.
 
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Tue May 27, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):
I agree with you, BUT, currently PHX provides some connectivity to destinations on the West Coast that DFW doesn't/couldn't (smaller destinations in California, including LGB, BUR, Santa Barbara, etc.) and could, in the future, be used to offer connectivity to secondary cities in the Northwest (i.e., Missoula, Billings, Bismarck, Dickinson/Williston, etc.

Phoenix does have some advantages and isn't totally duplicative to DFW.

Agreed - which is why I don't think PHX is ever going to just be a few dozen nonstops to the hubs. PHX does serve a purpose, no question, but I still contend that said purpose does not require 300 daily departures with 2/3 mainline.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Agreed - which is why I don't think PHX is ever going to just be a few dozen nonstops to the hubs.

I for one am very interested to see how this "new world order" of 4 very large domestic airlines plays out.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 11:17 pm

Where are the A321s from MIA flying to?
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 11:22 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
Where are the A321s from MIA flying to?

CLT (4) and PHL (3).
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Tue May 27, 2014 11:25 pm

BNA will be close on the list with 49 departures
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 11:34 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 19):
CLT (4) and PHL (3).

Oh, yeah, I forgot. The data is US and AA and those are US flights. I got all excited for a minute that we were getting AA A321s in MIA this summer!
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue May 27, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 2):
AA @ DFW is starting to catch up to DL in ATL in terms of flights. But even if they were tied, DL would still be larger in terms of seats most likely.

DL still has over 200 more mainline flights at ATL than AA at DFW, so like you said, the seat count is considerably higher for DL's ATL hub. Still, DFW dwarfs all other major airline hubs outside of ATL, which last year had about as many daily seats as AA's DFW and ORD hubs combined.

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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 12:10 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
No 757 @ ORD????

I could be mistaken, but the only AA 752 service into ORD seems to be MAN during the winter months. The route (AA 54/55) is a 763 during the rest of the time.
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Wed May 28, 2014 12:30 am

I think Mainline flying may increase or stay steady at ORD when all the PHL and CLT flights go mainline.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 1:15 am

I wonder how long that 762 at MCO will last.

RDU is really all over the place in terms of equipment, nothing makes it into double digits.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 1:34 am

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
752: 60
763: 21

MIA sure is the workhorse of the 757/767 fleet. Also MIA has the most wide body movements. While DFW has the most 777s movements. But does LHR have the most for AA?
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
PHL

DH1: 82
CR2: 145
CR9: 3
E70: 13
E75: 65
E90: 29
M80: 6
319: 36
320: 30
321: 40
734: 1
738: 3
752: 11
762: 3
332: 9
333: 5

vs 2013...
9 more 321 flts
11 less E90 flts
15 more E75 flts
6 less E70 flts
12 less DH1 flts
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):

BUT, currently PHX provides some connectivity to destinations on the West Coast that DFW doesn't/couldn't (smaller destinations in California, including LGB, BUR, Santa Barbara, etc.) and could, in the future, be used to offer connectivity to secondary cities in the Northwest (i.e., Missoula, Billings, Bismarck, Dickinson/Williston, etc.
Quoting commavia (Reply 16):

Agreed - which is why I don't think PHX is ever going to just be a few dozen nonstops to the hubs. PHX does serve a purpose, no question, but I still contend that said purpose does not require 300 daily departures with 2/3 mainline.

PHX either sees minimal cuts or gets completely eliminated as a hub, but an intermediate reduction is probably the least likeliest of all possible outcomes.

I cannot see any scenario where PHX exists just to serve a small niche (ie. Rocky Mountain focus). It does not seem likely that AA will keep connectivity feed into PHX just to support leisure heavy, RJ focused Rocky Mountain destinations, especially considering PHX's extreme southern location relative to the rest of the Rocky Mountain region.

Now that AA has acquired 4 UA gates at LAX + 4 to 5 CUTE gates in TBIT along with DFW's ability to cover many routes in lieu of PHX, the need for a PHX hub looks grim.

That said, with tight capacity across the industry today combined with high fares and favorable fuel prices, PHX could prove to be decently profitable for AA for the time being.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 26):
MIA sure is the workhorse of the 757/767 fleet.

Yes that's right. I'm sure that's where the last 757 will arrive on its final flight, like it was for the 727 12 years ago. You want to fly on a 757 while they are still around, go to MIA. You won't see a lot of them anymore unless you live in Miami. Most 767s that fly out of MIA fly to South America.
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Wed May 28, 2014 6:03 am

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):
Phoenix does have some advantages and isn't totally duplicative to DFW.

Absolutely. The elephant in the room is the fact that PHX is the 12th largest metro area in the U.S.--and growing well too. Plus it's a snowbird central. There's a lot of airline traffic there for a reason.

Plus, I know it's mostly low-populated country, but CLT is nearly as close to DFW as PHX is. ORD is closer to DFW than PHX is. Geographically PHX isn't a great hub, but it does serve a purpose for a legacy incumbent.
 
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed May 28, 2014 7:17 am

Do we know if they'll start using MD-80s to operate out of US hubs?
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 31):
Do we know if they'll start using MD-80s to operate out of US hubs?

To or from DFW only. With the MD-80 fleet gradually shrinking, I wouldn't expect to see more MD-80 flying out of US hubs. Out of PHX AA flies MD-80s to both DFW and ORD (as mention in one of my other threads), but I wouldn't be surprised if PHX-ORD looses the MD-80 before PHX-DFW does. I see the A319 on the ORD-PHX route.

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Wed May 28, 2014 4:22 pm

I read an interesting thing today. It seems that AA/US is looking at equipment downgauges in MIA and upgauges in both CLT and PHX. This seems to go against conventional a.net wisdom.

What I think is meant though is that they are looking at moving a lot of 319s to MIA and 738s to PHX and CLT as the merger goes along. Indeed with upcoming schedules MIA and PHX is already started, but to say they are looking at it further is interesting. Also I would not be surprised to see some changes on the Widebody side in the future, probably after the summer season winds down.
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 33):
It seems that AA/US is looking at equipment downgauges in MIA and upgauges in both CLT and PHX. This seems to go against conventional a.net wisdom.

The goal is to limit capacity in higher yielding markets to extract as much yield as possible. In lower yielding connecting markets the goal is to limit costs and move as much capacity with as few departures as possible. That's why over the past few years you have seen shift in PHX from A319-A321 on a large portion of routes.
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 34):

Also one of the good things about the PHX hub is that it is relatively cheap to operate (from my understanding), with minimal delays or irregular operations.
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Wed May 28, 2014 5:44 pm

I have heard rumor that the new 2 class A321 will be operating out of MIA this November to BOS and DFW, replacing some 757 flying.
 
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Wed May 28, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
Given long-term economic, geographic and competitive trends, I just do not see the need to continue operating a 300-departure, 2/3 mainline hub that serves essentially the exact same purpose as the dramatically (almost three times) larger hub a few hundred miles aw

The 870 miles between PHX and DFW is just a 'few hundred miles', huh? The two largest expenses for airlines are fuel and labor. Don't you think that there are a number of city pairs that can be more efficiently connected with far less mileage circuity and block time through PHX versus DFW?

What about the connecting of the dots (or re-connecting of the dots) to firm up network strength and solidifies PHX's purpose?

Ther're restarting PHX-CLE, but let's look at:

PHX-MAF, PHX-LBB, PHX-AMA, PHX-SAF, PHX-ROW, PHX-ICT, PHX-OKC, PHX-TUL, PHX-COS, PHX-ASE, PHX-EGE, PHX-HDN, PHX-RDU, PHX-MEM, PHX-MSY, PHX-BNA

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Thu May 29, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting miaami (Reply 36):
I have heard rumor that the new 2 class A321 will be operating out of MIA this November to BOS and DFW, replacing some 757 flying.

I wonder where AA will use those 757s... More Caribbean flying maybe?
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu May 29, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 33):
I read an interesting thing today. It seems that AA/US is looking at equipment downgauges in MIA and upgauges in both CLT and PHX. This seems to go against conventional a.net wisdom.

MIA could probably benefit from some more 319s just to get some flexibility in aircraft gauge to better match capacity to demand. Before the merger there was a huge gap between the 50-seat ER4 and the 160-seat 738. The 319 fits nicely in the middle.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 38):
I wonder where AA will use those 757s... More Caribbean flying maybe?

They are retiring a lot of 757s at the moment, so they probably aren't shifting them elsewhere in this case. That said, I know that some are planned to be retained for TATL, South America, etc. because of range. I'm not sure how close they are to that final goal right now, but I would imagine there will be more retirements yet before they reach it.
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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu May 29, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
The real question is, how will it look in 2015 and 2016?

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RE: AA Summer 2014 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu May 29, 2014 6:43 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 29):
Yes that's right. I'm sure that's where the last 757 will arrive on its final flight, like it was for the 727 12 years ago. You want to fly on a 757 while they are still around, go to MIA. You won't see a lot of them anymore unless you live in Miami.

I suspect that AA will put 757s on routes to some of the ski destinations this winter. Between the performance when flying out of high altitude airports and the cargo space for ski equipment, the 757 is a great plane.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 32):
I see the A319 on the ORD-PHX route.

I could see that during the summer, when no one goes to PHX unless he has to. But, during the winter, I would expect A320s, 738s, and A321s. Too many Midwesterners trying to get away from winter weather and baseball fans going to spring training games.
 
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:41 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 41):
I could see that during the summer, when no one goes to PHX unless he has to. But, during the winter, I would expect A320s, 738s, and A321s. Too many Midwesterners trying to get away from winter weather and baseball fans going to spring training games.

The LUS schedule typically consists of 1 A320 and 4-5 A321s on a year-round basis on ORD-PHX. If anything I'd expect more 738s/321s as the MD80s are pulled off, not anything smaller in gauge.
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Fri May 30, 2014 9:21 am

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
STL

ER4: 3
CR2: 2
CR7: 13
CR9: 3
E75: 6
M80: 15
319: 6
738: 3

Total = 51
47.0% mainline

I must be missing something, as I see the following:

ER4: 3 (3xPIT)
CR2: 2 (2xPHL)
CR7: 13 (5x DCA, 5xLGA, 2xORD = 12)
CR9: 3 (3xCLT)
E75: 6 (3xPHL, 2xORD, 1xCLT)
M80: 15 (7xDFW, 3xLAX, 5xORD)
319: 6 (2xCLT, 4xPHX)
738: 3 (1xDFW, 2xMIA)

Total Count: 50 ?? 1xCR7 unaccounted for  

EDIT: I guess I can't count after all. LGA shows 6xCR7 and not five..

[Edited 2014-05-30 02:32:20]
 
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Fri May 30, 2014 12:53 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 43):
M80: 15 (7xDFW, 3xLAX, 5xORD)

And when you think that ten years ago STL was MD-80 heaven. I remember back in 2005 flying LGA-SAN connecting through STL, both flights were MD-80s.

Two years ago LGA-STL was still an MD-80. One day in the summer of 2012, I was flying to MIA. I was supposed to fly LGA-STL on an MD-80 and then connecting on a 757 to MIA. The LGA-STL flight was cancelled and I ended up flying JFK-MIA direct on a 757.

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Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:43 pm

I was listening to a Doug Parker Q and A session with Pilots and Flight Attendants last week. Some of the interesting notes I took from this.

Doug Parker acknowleged that the regionals are probably going to have to increase pay to attract new pilots. This is the first time I have heard an Airline CEO say this publicly.

PHX is likely to see some slight growth. Says international out of PHX may be an option in the future but is not a priority at the moment. Says PHX has been a great performing hub for US and will be a vital one for AA. Also said PHX is likely to get new N/S flights that make sense with AA that didn't pre merger. (We have already seen CLE, look for other adds in the future)

Wants to operate mainline on as many routes as possible, since operating costs for Mainline are overall lower than express and are more economical. That being said, many markets do not support Mainline capacity, but in markets where they do, they prefer to run mainline.

PHL is likely to remain the key transatlantic gateway for the new AA. JFK service will be centered around transcons and International routes that are largely O and D centered. (This is pretty consistent with A.Net wisdom on this topic, and I also take this to mean that JFK will see a lot of 767s and 787s going forward, where the Airbus Widebodies and 777s likely to be based in PHL, DFW, and MIA largely)

One of the issues with longer flying is that one R/T takes up two airplanes due to the very long stage length, and given the cost of the airplanes, it is something that even though demand may be there, may not always make economic sense.

Very little was said about any AA hub other than JFK (Which I mentioned above), or CLT.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 38):
I wonder where AA will use those 757s... More Caribbean flying maybe?

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Some of the US 757s are slated for retirement in the near future, while I suspect a lot of the AA ones will be around for a bit. AA will need the 757s for Ski Country and ETOPS to Hawaii, but in markets where you don't need the performance of a 757, the A321 makes perfect sense.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):
I agree with you, BUT, currently PHX provides some connectivity to destinations on the West Coast that DFW doesn't/couldn't (smaller destinations in California, including LGB, BUR, Santa Barbara, etc.) and could, in the future, be used to offer connectivity to secondary cities in the Northwest (i.e., Missoula, Billings, Bismarck, Dickinson/Williston, etc.

First, I wouldn't call anything Billings and eastward the Northwest. Second, the economics of connecting markets like BIL, MSO, ISN/DIK and BIS to PHX are probably not workable especially as Allegiant already is well entrenched in these markets flying to PHX as well as LAS, LAX etc. AA would be better off funneling MSO/BIL/BZN et al through SEA and PDX on AS codeshare metal and letting the North Dakota markets - which are even further - deal with ORD and/or DFW.

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Agreed - which is why I don't think PHX is ever going to just be a few dozen nonstops to the hubs. PHX does serve a purpose, no question, but I still contend that said purpose does not require 300 daily departures with 2/3 mainline.
Quoting EricR (Reply 28):
PHX either sees minimal cuts or gets completely eliminated as a hub, but an intermediate reduction is probably the least likeliest of all possible outcomes.

I think an intermediate reduction is actually the most likely outcome. From the beginning of merger talk I see PHX on the same scale as DCA albeit with no perimeter, with RJ flights to nearby small markets and heavily mainline everywhere else. Mostly focused on O&D with fewer connections, although some will remain. I don't think it would take much at all to go down this road, for instance shifting California-East Coast transcon connections from PHX to DFW could transform PHX overnight.

Quoting apodino (Reply 45):
AA will need the 757s for Ski Country and ETOPS to Hawaii, but in markets where you don't need the performance of a 757, the A321 makes perfect sense.

I thought the A321s were eventually supposed to take over Hawaii flying, at least from LAX while letting the 757s handle PHX-Hawaii.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 46):
Second, the economics of connecting markets like BIL, MSO, ISN/DIK and BIS to PHX are probably not workable especially as Allegiant already is well entrenched in these markets flying to PHX as well as LAS, LAX etc.

Some of those markets are marginal at best, but I would never say that Allegiant is entrenched in any market. They are a couple times weekly and their target customer is largely different than US's target customer. I would not be super surprised to see PHX-Montana, but it is certainly not a priority and a longer shot than places like BNA/XNA/OKC/RDU.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 46):
with RJ flights to nearby small markets and heavily mainline everywhere else.

Which is pretty much what it is... DCA has quite a different dynamic due to its geography, PHX doesn't really have that many nearby markets.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 46):
for instance shifting California-East Coast transcon connections from PHX to DFW could transform PHX overnight.

That's the concern, but since a large portion of PHX's O&D is from PHX-Cali/LAS what would US have to gain from that shift since they are already capturing pretty much as much PHX-Cali O&D as possible and the rest of the connections are gravy. You may be right, but I think the one thing that won't change are the flex nights and redeye banks, which is something that DFW cannot replicate as well.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:48 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 47):
Some of those markets are marginal at best, but I would never say that Allegiant is entrenched in any market. They are a couple times weekly and their target customer is largely different than US's target customer. I would not be super surprised to see PHX-Montana, but it is certainly not a priority and a longer shot than places like BNA/XNA/OKC/RDU.

To be fair, PHX being such a largely leisure market, Allegiant and US/AA would be chasing arguably the same type of customer. By entrenched, I mean this for example. In Billings, if you mention to really anyone here that you are going to Phoenix, or Vegas, or LA, they will reply, "Oh, on Allegiant right?" Neither AA nor US has brand recognition here while Allegiant is locally recognized as "the" way to go. This is not an exaggeration. The question here I believe is this - since the vast majority of PHX-bound traffic is low-yielding leisure, at what point does it warrant starting a new nonstop route versus already preexisting service that could be used as-is?

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 47):
Which is pretty much what it is... DCA has quite a different dynamic due to its geography, PHX doesn't really have that many nearby markets.

Minus the high percentage of connections, and that's what it is. That's exactly the point I was making. Keep the O&D, punt the transcon connections, and you're left with a DCA-scale operation. Another question - would it be fiscally worth it to only partially downsize PHX considering it apparently has lower costs than other AA hubs? Would it be financially responsible to flow more traffic over other more expensive hubs especially hubs that suffer from congestion and weather issues (looking at you, ORD)?

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 47):
You may be right, but I think the one thing that won't change are the flex nights and redeye banks, which is something that DFW cannot replicate as well.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Is there a limitation on DFW at night that PHX does not deal with?
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 48):
I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Is there a limitation on DFW at night that PHX does not deal with?

The issue is that DFW is further east, so the connecting complex occurs later (probably 2:00 or 3:00 a.m.). DFW really doesn't have any true redeyes either from the west or to the east.
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