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Turkish Aviation June 2014

Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:45 am

Hello everyone,
Welcome to the June 2014 thread.


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Summer is finally here;
-New batch of 77Ws to arrive soon as mentioned last month. For "Kaitak" s question from last months thread; AFAIK
4 of them to join this year. Followed by 7 in 2015, 6 in 2016 and 3 in 2017. Someone correct me if this is wrong.
Since the Comfort class is going away the new config on these birds will be 49J/297Y.
-According to the latest news groundbreaking for the new Istanbul airport will take place on June 17th, after few delays to be completed in 2019. Rumors say they are thinking of naming it "Mevlana".
-First of its kind, the new Turkish Airlines Lounge Istanbul, Moscow opened. To be followed by other international TK lounges.
-And sure the biggest news... on June 3rd, TK starts its second Canadian nonstop to Montreal with 3 x weekly A330 flights.

Welcome and please continue with your news, pictures, rumors, ideas, questions and good old sense of humor.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:00 am

Thanks very much TK787, for the 777 information.

There's a thread running at the moment, posted by Stitch, saying that 777 production is likely to slip back from its current high of just over 8 per month, as the current model order book winds down. This means there might be some slippage in the above dates, but it should not have a major effect.

Has TK indicated any interest in the 777-8/9 yet?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:33 am

Delivery schedule is as follows:
TC-JJR B777-3F2ER 44116 1214 July 2014
TC-JJS B777-3F2ER 44117 1222 July 2014
TC-JJT B777-3F2ER 44118 1277 September 2014
TC-JJU B777-3F2ER ????? ???? December 2014
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:32 pm

Hello Turkish friends

Wanted to share excellent experience on TK and using IST airport last week.
Contrary to comments I have read here, I breezed through passport control both coming and going.
On arrival as TK business class passenger I entered "fast-track" which had only about 15 people in line. This did not take more than 3-4 minutes wait.
On departure, check-in agent advised me to proceed to fast track area located on far end of terminal by check-in aisle H and there was not a single person inline so I walked straight up to the passport booth.
I also was impressed with the expanded TK CIP lounge. I found the bottom level less crowded and more quiet than main entry level.

As far as flights, quite excellent experience far surpassing other intra-European business class products in both seating and food service. Puts people like Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, etc to shame.

Oh on another note, I was able to witness rapid advancement of construction of 3rd bridge. Pylons both in the water and coast are virtually complete, now work commences on arches.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:54 pm

When is Comfort Class disappearing completely? It comes up with bookings in Dec 2014 with TK out of YYZ
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Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 4):
When is Comfort Class disappearing completely? It comes up with bookings in Dec 2014 with TK out of YYZ

Nothing known as of now. If it its bookable then you can book and will be able to fly it.
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:04 pm

travelled on Ist-Ord at C class last week.
Same machine on both directions, 332 TC-JND
full bc at both directions, excelent service
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:11 pm

Hello, could you please tell me if G9 (Air Arabia+Air Arabia Maroc) still serve IST, I cant find them on the airlines page on the IST airport webpage, nor find them on wikipedia as serving there. If they do, what terminal/gate would they dock at please ? Thanks
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:26 pm

any news on what the registration will be assigned on TK36 tomorrow?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:58 pm

Hello and welcome to June.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-First of its kind, the new Turkish Airlines Lounge Istanbul, Moscow opened. To be followed by other international TK lounges.

Next planned lounge is JFK, with European points LHR, CDG, FRA and MXP under study.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 3):
Wanted to share excellent experience on TK and using IST airport last week.

Good to hear.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 3):
Oh on another note, I was able to witness rapid advancement of construction of 3rd bridge. Pylons both in the water and coast are virtually complete, now work commences on arches.

I'm am truly amazed at the speed Turkey is able to construct public works projects.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 4):
When is Comfort Class disappearing completely? It comes up with bookings in Dec 2014 with TK out of YYZ

From what I understand as the 777s are due for checks the comfort class cabins will be removed though there will need to be a drop dead market date established as the fleet shrinks and the newer 777 fleet grows.

I believe part of the equation is also the design and launch of a new business class product which they want to time to coincide with the 777 checks as well.
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting QF108 (Reply 8):
Hello, could you please tell me if G9 (Air Arabia+Air Arabia Maroc) still serve IST,

Air Arabia is over at SAW.

They have daily flights to Sharjah, and 3x weekly to Casablanca.

They also serve Antalya in Turkey.
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 2):
Delivery schedule is as follows:
TC-JJR B777-3F2ER 44116 1214 July 2014
TC-JJS B777-3F2ER 44117 1222 July 2014
TC-JJT B777-3F2ER 44118 1277 September 2014
TC-JJU B777-3F2ER ????? ???? December 2014

September 2014 deliveries will be in the 1230's. Is TC-JJT L/N 1237?

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Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:55 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Air Arabia is over at SAW.

They have daily flights to Sharjah, and 3x weekly to Casablanca.

They also serve Antalya in Turkey.

Thanks LAX, I never knew there were two airports serving Istanbul, poor researching on my part.
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:14 am

Its alleged that THY may be starting flights to Belfast in the future. At the moment Belfast has a healthy stream of passengers who connect to the rest of the world through England, or by driving across the border to Dublin, but at the moment there are no East-bound direct flights offering such services
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:08 pm

TAV says is negotiating with the Turkish government over proposal for further expansion of terminal facilities at IST.

Under proposal TAV would invest upwards of EUR100mil to boost terminal capacity by another 10 million annual enplanements with goal of IST having capacity of 65-70mil passengers through 2021 when TAV's contract to operate the airport expires.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1401799531.html

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I suppose even with very short pay back period, so long as the Turkish government provides financial guarantees for TAV to cover any losses, a short term boost to capacity certainly could be absorbed.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:00 am

If anyone is curious here were the top domestic O&D markets for Turkey in 2013.

Table is market, total enplanements, average one-way fare rounded to closest EUR.

1. Istanbul - Ankara, 1,374,398, €76
2. Istanbul - Izmir, 810,106, €67
3. Istanbul - Antalya, 651,114, €69
4. Istanbul - Adana, 546,364, €68
5. Istanbul - Bodrum, 357,593, €78
6. Istanbul - Trabzon, 302,103, €68
7. Istanbul - Kayseri, 295,317, €75
8. Istanbul - Gaziantep, 222,805, €80
9. Istanbul - Dalaman, 222,381, €75
10. Istanbul - Konya, 196,514, €58

Note - these are markets not airports, so cities with multiple airports like Istanbul have a combined total.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:33 am

Quoting QF108 (Reply 8):

Hi, as far as I know they serve SAW.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:15 pm

TK and SQ applied with DOT to add SQ codeshare on TK JFK, IAD, ORD and IAH services to connect at Istanbul to SIN flight.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
1. Istanbul - Ankara, 1,374,398, €76
2. Istanbul - Izmir, 810,106, €67
3. Istanbul - Antalya, 651,114, €69
4. Istanbul - Adana, 546,364, €68
5. Istanbul - Bodrum, 357,593, €78
6. Istanbul - Trabzon, 302,103, €68
7. Istanbul - Kayseri, 295,317, €75
8. Istanbul - Gaziantep, 222,805, €80
9. Istanbul - Dalaman, 222,381, €75
10. Istanbul - Konya, 196,514, €58

IST-ESB seems like a milk-cow for TK considering the rather high oneway average fare, total numbers and add PC from SAW with rather low prices to this equation. nowadays 76EUR is roughly 250TRY.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
TK and SQ applied with DOT to add SQ codeshare on TK JFK, IAD, ORD and IAH services to connect at Istanbul to SIN flight.

quite interesting!
JFK and IAH are both served by SQ with stopovers in FRA/DME respectively in less time. A codeshare will increase the total travel time on both routes by more than 5hrs.
ORD and IAD via IST are also much longer considering the long layover in IST (SQ early arrival at 07:45, TK US bound departures around 13:30)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:53 pm

Had recently my first ever flight with TK. And the experience was very pleasant. However, one thing was really not understandable. At IST international terminal there are guys who are randomly picking out people and scanning their boardingcards with some hand-held device. Happened to me twice within 10 minutes. What a nuisance. Does anybody know, what's the purpose?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:47 am

Just read the annoucement of Borajet and their new destination: Dole, Jura in France. To be honest, I even had to look it up on the map to see where it is.

This answers one of my two questions atleast. For sure their new E90 will fly this route; however, why would they fly to DLE? Any particular reason?

edit: forgot to add that those flights operate 3x/weekly
-2-4--7 SAW DLE 1455 1655
-2-4--7 DLE SAW 1730 2130

[Edited 2014-06-06 00:51:32]
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:44 pm

Well Dole itself is a small historic fortified medieval town (only about 25,000 population) but greater Jura region is about 250,000.
Also Dole is only about 40km to Dijon the capital of Burgundy, and also convenient by some to access Swiss lake regions (70-100km)?

For info Ryanair serves Dole.

As trivia Louis Pasteur was from Dole.
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:34 pm

Don't remember having discussed this before: certainly one major improvement toward a smooth and convenient transit thru IST will be the 'one-stop-security' regulation. Passengers arriving from EU countries are considered from now on as 'clean' and will be guided directly to the departure level. They don't have to go through security for their onward flights anymore.

I really like this!

Nevertheless, it also means, coming from all-around-world you still have to be security checked (atleast now at less crowded checkpoints).
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:45 pm

In the April thread, LAXintl posted that EU and Turkey had reached a new aviation security agreement harmonizing procedures which would allow EU origin flight pax to avoid security rescreening at IST and make transfer experience easier.
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
TK and SQ applied with DOT to add SQ codeshare on TK JFK, IAD, ORD and IAH services to connect at Istanbul to SIN flight.

I'm surprised BOS was not added as well.
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:00 am

It is sad that while multiple other global airlines are adding / thinking of adding premium economy products ... TK is withdrawing from this sector despite being an early entrant with a great great product (Comfort Class)   

Here is today's pic on A-net on AC's new 788 premium economy cabin ...

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2452168/L/
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:22 am

Well, it is sad indeed but as economy recovers the need of a premium economy decreases...
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:36 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 26):
It is sad that while multiple other global airlines are adding / thinking of adding premium economy products ... TK is withdrawing from this sector despite being an early entrant with a great great product (Comfort Class

IMHO, it simply does not make sense for TK to have CC, since they swap their equipment to almost everywhere. That means that you are stuck with CC class seats that you have sell as Y. Overall, this decreases the additional revenue potential very sharply.
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:54 pm

Do you have any information regarding the newest airport that is going to be built in Istanbul? It looks like they actually held a groundbreaking ceremony today, but I couldn't find anything!

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Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting fatmirjusufi (Reply 29):

The ceremony has just ended and the opening day was announced as 29th October 2017..
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:07 pm

Quoting fatmirjusufi (Reply 29):
It looks like they actually held a groundbreaking ceremony today, but I couldn't find anything!
Istanbul New Airport Groundbreaking Now (by TK787 Jun 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
This is big enough of a news that I thought it would be nice to start its own thread.
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 28):
IMHO, it simply does not make sense for TK to have CC, since they swap their equipment to almost everywhere. That means that you are stuck with CC class seats that you have sell as Y. Overall, this decreases the additional revenue potential very sharply.

It makes sense if they apply it uniformly across the fleet. With Y+ becoming increasingly common, its pretty clear that the problem wasn't with Y+, but rather with the way TK implemented it.
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:36 pm

As much as a comfort class concept was good(and maybe ahead of its time), it simply did not make money for TK, and believe me TK also received lots of complaints about CC particularly from European passengers that had split bookings and flew regular Y on narrow body segments.

Yes maybe TK was too ambitious with too large cabin to start with, but TK had to make a tough decision to either expand the product into other fleet types, or pull back. The numbers, particularly in light of growing strength of TK J class sales favored adjustment of cabin configuration that removed CC entirely.

At the end of the day, an airline only has so much space on an aircraft and must maximize contribution of each square meter.
But next for TK will be a new business class product to be revealed soon enough which will require even further cabin adjustments.

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 28):
IMHO, it simply does not make sense for TK to have CC, since they swap their equipment to almost everywhere.

The 777 fleet very rarely was ever substituted from their intended longhaul segments.
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:05 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 30):
The ceremony has just ended and the opening day was announced as 29th October 2017..
Quoting TK787 (Reply 31):
Istanbul New Airport Groundbreaking Now (by TK787 Jun 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
This is big enough of a news that I thought it would be nice to start its own thread.

Thank you so much, guys!

 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:20 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
TK also received lots of complaints about CC particularly from European passengers that had split bookings and flew regular Y on narrow body segments.

This strikes me as odd, particularly given the significant downgrade that EU pax face when they switch from longhaul J to intra-Europe J.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
The numbers, particularly in light of growing strength of TK J class sales favored adjustment of cabin configuration that removed CC entirely.

I don't doubt that removing it makes sense, but going removing Y+ when everyone else is adding it suggests that they are overcorrecting a badly rolled implementation instead of simply correcting it. I think it stands to cost them in the long term by removing them from the equation for what other airlines now see as a significant market segment. Certainly a supportable one and not particularly low-yield one.
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:04 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 35):
I don't doubt that removing it makes sense, but going removing Y+ when everyone else is adding it suggests that they are overcorrecting a badly rolled implementation instead of simply correcting it. I think it stands to cost them in the long term by removing them from the equation for what other airlines now see as a significant market segment. Certainly a supportable one and not particularly low-yield one.

Let me insist, why keeping comfort class while you could use that space to sell more business class? In routes such as China or US where you have big premium product demand and business is usually full why reduce the yield by putting comfort class seats while you could easily sell business class ones?
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 35):
This strikes me as odd, particularly given the significant downgrade that EU pax face when they switch from longhaul J to intra-Europe J.

Yes but pax remain in J-Class on paper and TK J class on narrowbodies is mostly individual 2x2 seats, not the Europe 3x3 with middle seat left open.
Going from Y+ down to Y brought in hundreds of complaints, and even Turkish media complained. Some wanted to be seated in J class on narrowbody segments, but off course that would further destroy the yield for TK by taking up J class inventory.

Other option was making Y+ universal, but no traffic forecasting could support such demand without creating multiple fleet subtypes. Even existing 777 Y+ markets were hit an miss where in some comfort class sold great (LAX+JFK), while some sold terribly (IAH+GRU+China).

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 36):
Let me insist, why keeping comfort class while you could use that space to sell more business class? In routes such as China or US where you have big premium product demand and business is usually full why reduce the yield by putting comfort class seats while you could easily sell business class ones?

  
While I personally loved CC and wish it would have worked out better, the end of the day the airline must allocate space onboard to maximize revenue.
In recent years TK has seen its premium cabin demand outstrip demand so the prospects of increasing J class inventory on longhauls is of particular importance and can generate greater return for the cabin space.
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:37 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 32):
With Y+ becoming increasingly common, its pretty clear that the problem wasn't with Y+, but rather with the way TK implemented it.

Currently premium economy is an industry fad. Its quite unknown if the product will really work out or for the majority of airlines that adopt it.

Even the early adopters like BA & VS have very small cabin after so many years, so its certainly not more than a niche product.

Also important to know, many airlines have adopted premium economy products as result of traffic downgrading themselves and seeing reduced premium demand (IATA Economics Department had a good analysis of this couple years ago). Many companies no longer allow as liberal premium travel as in the past.

However for TK they obviously now have 3-years of experience and data and came to conclusion product was not self supporting. I don't think we should say TK was the problem, but its market reality drove the decision combined with growing opportunity with people actually opting for full business class on longhauls. (a good problem to have).

[Edited 2014-06-07 14:01:00]
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
The 777 fleet very rarely was ever substituted from their intended longhaul segments.

Not true, you can find them on european routes and TLV quite frequently.

Additionally, TK's Y is not bad enough to make the Y+ work. They should go 10 abreast to push more people to go for Y+. IMHO, the Y+ simply does not fit to narrow body fleet operators. IT might work perfectly fine for EK, but I doubt TK can have a consistent offering throughout the Y+ short and long haul, since that would mean that you even have it on short sectors like IST-ESB, where you will have a very hard time of selling a Y+ product on such a short hop. Now, some might argue that they might have certain aircraft that do not have the Y+ for domestic flights. However, this is not in line with TK's business model where they swap their aircraft to any imaginable destiination to maximize the revenue
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:42 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 39):
Not true, you can find them on european routes and TLV quite frequently.

I think you should probably reread what LAXintl wrote --

"The 777 fleet very rarely was ever substituted from their intended longhaul segments."


I dont think 777s were removed from flights to YYZ, LAX, PEK, etc so customers lost their CC seats.

777 long haul usage has been very stable from everything I have experienced the last few years unlike the 330-340 fleets which can be like playing roulette as to which one might or might not show up.
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Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:13 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 40):
777 long haul usage has been very stable from everything I have experienced the last few years unlike the 330-340 fleets which can be like playing roulette as to which one might or might not show up.

  


The dedicated Y+ routes get to 99,90% 77W's with Y+ seating, only for very very rare cases aircrafts needed to be swapped to other models. TK prefers to delay the departure and wait for other incoming aircraft instead of swapping the type.

What I was talking about is that these planes have long layovers in IST and hence are being used on non Y+ routes quite often. Check TK1827 today to CDG which is going to be operated by 77W without charging a penny for the extra comfort in Y+.
 
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Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:37 am

What's going on with EWR-IST? TK got heart burn over UA running this trip? All the flight crew said it was a *A deal and TK wanted the route. So why the delay? Can UA return this route to legacy UA? DL still runs JFK-IST seasonal. I was never on EWR-IST that wasn't 95% full with almost zero upgrades.
 
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Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:23 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 42):
What's going on with EWR-IST? TK got heart burn over UA running this trip? All the flight crew said it was a *A deal and TK wanted the route. So why the delay? Can UA return this route to legacy UA? DL still runs JFK-IST seasonal. I was never on EWR-IST that wasn't 95% full with almost zero upgrades.

Give it to Smisek to screw this one up. (Ok, it wasn't Smisek but the UA management screwed the pooch on this one) .
I non-reved twice on this route. Twice we had delays of 2+ hours due to mechanical difficulties. I didn't take the westbound flight because it was scheduled so late that it lacked some key connections. At the time I lived in Seattle and that was just impossible to connect to. Given the EWRisms, your SFO and LAX connections were tight as well.

A bunch of friends that took this flight had talked about late incoming aircraft, aircraft swaps and many other issues; including swapping a good IST aircraft to ZRH flight and giving the bad bird to IST.

United didn't have the experience to run the route. DL , on the other hand, has been operating to IST since mid 90s. I wish DL ran year around on this route. They have already booked the flights solid to IST (trying to non rev today and tomorrow) and I know DL has some nice cargo revenue as well.

For TK to run an EWR flight, though, would be an overkill with IAD/BOS/JFK in the market. We know United will not be friendly to them out of EWR for connections and code share. An Airbus that can run the EWR turn can be better utilized to run a SEA or SFO non stop.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:17 pm

TK annouces that it exercised options for 15 x 738Maxs.
The original order was for 40 firm and 25 options for MAX8, 10 firm for MAX9.
What is this mean? TK opting out of ordering 10 of the MAX8 options, or TK still has the option to order those in the future?
 
thijs1984
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:57 pm

TK will add a 5th weekly flight on it's recently started IST-RTM service.
The additonal flight will operate on mondays as from july 14th.
The intention is to go daily once the fleet capacity of TK and number of allocated slots to TK in RTM allow this.

[Edited 2014-06-09 14:01:09]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:18 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 43):

Really sad to see this one go for whatever reason(s). The flight was full to the gills with cruise pax everytime I used it. Any chance for UA to bring it back with a 764?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 42):
What's going on with EWR-IST? TK got heart burn over UA running this trip? All the flight crew said it was a *A deal and TK wanted the route. So why the delay?

More like LH getting heartburn. UA robed the JV of pax by overflying with the feed.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 43):

  
UA had many problems with the flight including the Westbound timing as you mentioned. Also unwillingness to work with TK in favor of its Star++ JV partners did not help out it situation for sales on the Turkey end.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 43):
For TK to run an EWR flight, though, would be an overkill with IAD/BOS/JFK in the market.

Remember at one time TK did serve EWR (in addition to JFK).
TK almost came back to EWR in summer of 2010, but UA's cold shoulder made it clear it was better to build up JFK.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 46):
The flight was full to the gills with cruise pax everytime I used it.

Thats the problem. Absolute trash yields.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 47):
More like LH getting heartburn. UA robed the JV of pax by overflying with the feed.

Why would LH get heartburn? The TA++ JV share yields, so wouldn't LH get a cut without lifting a finger?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2014

Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:59 am

It cost more to fly someone on UA all the way to IST when they could be fed on existing LH/LX/OS flights via European hub.
In otherwords, yes the JV generates revenue, but it also generates added cost.
Lastly, for better or worse, the JV partners to a good degree have carved out 'spheres of influence' where one partner will be given deference.
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