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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:15 pm

Due to length part 15 was archived. It is still available for viewing here: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 15 (by iowaman Feb 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:01 am

To start this thread :
A copy of the Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (June 01 - 2014) from reply 242 of : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 15 (by iowaman Feb 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)


Only basic aircraft data are listed


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82 Completed airframes , Delivered 69 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (24), 2014 (5)
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@ L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, Cargolux #1, LX-VCA

@ L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, NCA #1, JA11KZ

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, NCA #2, JA12KZ

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, Cargolux #2, LX-VCB

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, Cargolux #3, LX-VCC

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, KAL #1, HL7609

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, KAL #2, HL7610

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, B-LJA

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, B-LJB

@ L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Saudia Arabian Cargo #1, HZ-AI3

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, VQ-BGZ

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, NCA #3, JA13KZ

@ L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Saudia Arabian Cargo #2, HZ-AI4

@ L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, B-LJC

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, BBJ customer State of Kuwait), 9K-GAA

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, N6067U, Boeing (Lufthansa D-ABYE NTU), N6067U

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, LX-VCD.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Boeing (Atlas Air #3 NTU), N770BA

@ L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, B-LJD

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight, A7-HHE

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer UAE Presidential Flight Authority), A6-PFA

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , B-LJE

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #1 , N856GT

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #1, D-ABYA

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #2, N857GT

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #3, N858GT

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer Saudi Arabian Government ?, N458BJ

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, VQ-BLQ

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, A7-HJA

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, B-LJG

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, Lufthansa #2, D-ABYC

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, VQ-BLR

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #3 , D-ABYD

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, LX-VCE

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #4, N850GT

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #4, D-ABYF

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8 , B-LJH

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #5, N851GT

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer Bahrain Royal Flight ?, N455BJ

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, B-LJI

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, LX-VCF

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #6, N852GT

@ L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH

@ L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, B-LJJ

@ L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, LX-VCG

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, BBJ customer Royal Flight Oman, A4O-HMS

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #7, N853GT

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, BBJ customer Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad, VQ-BSK

@ L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, JA14KZ

@ L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYG

@ L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #8, serial number 37566, N854GT

@ L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYH

@ L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH

@ L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617

@ L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYI

@ L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #9, N855GT

@ L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ

@ L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, LX-VCI

@ L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, JA15KZ

@ L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK

@ L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL Cargo #4, HL7623

@ L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, VQ-BRJ

@ L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, serial number 43394, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK

@ L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, serial number 43536, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL

L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 37393, NCA #6, N808BA, JA16KZ, stored :Pinal Airpark (KMZJ)

@ L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, serial number 43825, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM

L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, serial number 36140, NCA #7, N815BA, JA17KZ, KPAE flight line

@ L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL Cargo #5, HL7624

L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, serial number 36141, NCA #8, N783BA, JA18KZ, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, serial number 38077, Cargolux #10, N803BA, LX-VCJ, stored : Pinal Airpark (KMZJ)

L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, serial number 38078, Cargolux #11, N975BA, LX-VCK, KPAE flight line

@ L/N 1492 - 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYL

L/N 1493 - 747-83QF, RC641, serial number 44444, Boeing Company #1, Lsd. Silk Way West Airlines, N973BA, 4K-SW881, KPAE flight line

@ L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, Lufthansa #11, D-ABYM

L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5, RC009, serial number 37501, BBJ customer UAE Presidential Flight , N974BA, A6-PFB , stored Pinal Airpark (KMZJ)

L/N 1496 - 747-83QF, RC642, serial number 44973, Boeing Company #2, Lsd. Silk Way West Airlines, N807BA, 4K-SW882, full livery, KPAE flight line

@ L/N 1497 - 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, Lufthansa #12, D-ABYN

@ L/N 1498 - 747-830, RC034, serial number 37841, Lufthansa #13, D-ABYO

L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China #1, serial number ------, B-2480?, KPAE flight line,

L/N 1500 - 747-830, RC035, serial number 37839, D-ABYP, Lufthansa #14, KPAE flight line

L/N 1501 - 747-83QF, RC671, serial number 60117, N5022E, Boeing, Silk Way Airlines NTU, KPAE flight line

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1502 - 747-83QF, RC672, Boeing, Silk Way Airlines NTU, slant position #1.

L/N 1503 - 747-830, RC036, serial number 37840, D-ABYQ, Lufthansa #15, slant position #2

L/N 1504 - 747-8R7F, RC512, serial number 35823, Cargolux #12, N820BA, LX-VCL, final body join position.

L/N 1505 - 747-867F, RC564, Cathay #14 , B-LJN,wing/body join position.

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Firing order : 14 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1506 - 747-8B5, RC051, KAL( Intercontinental) #1
L/N 1507 - 747-89L, RC067, Air China #2
L/N 1508 - 747-89L, RC068, Air China #3
L/N 1509 - 747-8B5, RC052, KAL (Intercontinental) #2
L/N 1510 - 747-89L, RC069, Air China #4
L/N 1511 - 747-830, RC037, serial number 37842, D-ABYR
L/N 1512 - 747-830, RC038, serial number 37843, D-ABYS
L/N 1513 - 747-830, RC039, serial number 37844, D-ABYT
L/N 1514 - 747-830, RC040, serial number 37845, D-ABYU
L/N 1515 - 747-89L, RC070, Air China #5
L/N 1516 - 747-8B5F, RC550, KAL Cargo #6
L/N 1517 - 747-89L, RC071, Air China #6
L/N 1518 - 747-89L, RC072, Air China #7
L/N 1519 - 747-8xx , RC076, Transaero Airlines #1

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:48 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
A copy of the Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (June 01 - 2014)

Thanks for copying the list to the new thread. I was just about to do that myself.

LN1437/RC573/N770BA flew to Casablanca on Saturday, and is scheduled to fly to FGSL (SSG) on Tuesday for a static display on Wednesday, and then returns to KPAE on Thursday.

Bloomberg reported today that Boeing is trying to sell Emirates some 747-8s. Emirates has the world's largest fleet of A380s (48 as of this writing). Emirates has long said they want more fuel-efficient engines on their A380s, and Boeing can use that as leverage as the 747-8 already has the GEnx-2b engines. Those are a generation beyond the A380's GP7200 engines, and will be familiar to Emirates' mechanics as their 777s use GE90 engines.
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:55 pm

Kinda cool that 13 of the next 14 frames in the firing order

are for the pax model.   
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:57 pm

Korean Air should take delivery of its first 747-8i next year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...as-alternative-to-airbus-a380.html
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:51 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Korean Air should take delivery of its first 747-8i next year.

Rollout date of the first KE 748 should be September/October this year. They are taking their time if delivery is 4 months later or even more.
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:34 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 2):
LN1437/RC573/N770BA flew to Casablanca on Saturday, and is scheduled to fly to FGSL (SSG) on Tuesday for a static display on Wednesday, and then returns to KPAE on Thursday.

Do we have any idea what the displays are for at either location? @aeroboqueron on twitter seems to have been able to snap a pic.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJXdAHCAAAIFSn.jpg:large
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

If I am interpreting flightradar24.com's data correctly, then it appears N770BA/RC673/LN1437 landed this morning at Malabo.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:43 pm

Seems that LN 1435 / RC021 is being modified.

Laddie, do you have more information?


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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Seems that LN 1435 / RC021 is being modified.

Laddie, do you have more information?

Interesting. Was she still configured for testing?

Whatever the case, that's definitely a lot of scaffolding!  
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:19 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Seems that LN 1435 / RC021 is being modified.

Laddie, do you have more information?

She was supposed to be sold, but is now internally listed for LH again (and has been for a time).
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:00 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
She was supposed to be sold, but is now internally listed for LH again (and has been for a time).

Spring sale, 30% off? I think Boeing will be happy to move it on as long they dont lose money with it.

Quoting Laddie (Reply 7):
If I am interpreting flightradar24.com's data correctly, then it appears N770BA/RC673/LN1437 landed this morning at Malabo.

Thats a pretty odd sales tour for such a big freighter. I wonder what the result of it will be. Guess everyone wonders.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:13 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 7):
If I am interpreting flightradar24.com's data correctly, then it appears N770BA/RC673/LN1437 landed this morning at Malabo.

As you might guess, flightradar24's coverage over northern Africa is spotty, but it appears N770BA is on her way back to the States today. http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE573/37fc1ee

Then she is scheduled to go back into storage, probably at Paine Field.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:19 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Seems that LN 1435 / RC021 is being modified.

I suppose RC021 is being refurbed to remove flight test equipment and install equipment for the eventual owner.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:12 pm

Quoting na (Reply 11):
Spring sale, 30% off? I think Boeing will be happy to move it on as long they dont lose money with it.

LH's official statement at the time they decided to not take up RC021 was that she would be a different configuration from the rest of the fleet due to being a test airframe.

Should the frame indeed end up with LH, it may be that Boeing have been able to prove to LH's satisfaction that the airframe will conform to the rest the fleet in terms of maintenance schedules and such.
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:50 am

Any chance of any 747-8I orders at the Paris Air show?

What are the chances UPS orders the plane?
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:38 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 15):
What are the chances UPS orders the plane?

I wouldn't look for a UPS order for this type until such time as it becomes clear that Boeing is winding down the program as was the case with the 744F.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:14 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 15):
Any chance of any 747-8I orders at the Paris Air show?

This year , there is no Paris Air Show, the next will be held in 2015.(only at odd years)
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This year , there is no Paris Air Show, the next will be held in 2015.(only at odd years)

He probably mixed up Farnborough with Paris.
 
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:38 am

L/N1493, 4K-SW881 for Silk Way West Airlines made here first (B1) flight with callsign BOE641, the flight was cut short and landed again at Paine Field after 1.12 hrs. :
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20140606/1700Z/KPAE/KPAE

Full Aircraft data : L/N 1493 - 747-83QF, RC641, serial number 44444, Boeing Company #1, Lsd. Silk Way West Airlines, N973BA, 4K-SW881, full livery, KPAE flight line, roll-out November 26 2013, F/F June 6 2014.
Expected delivery slid from late June into late July.


Changed delivery info :

- L/N1500 is scheduled for a delivery around 25 June.
- L/N1491 is now scheduled for July
- L/N1501 is is scheduled for August.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:59 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
L/N1493, 4K-SW881 for Silk Way West Airlines made here first (B1) flight

4K-SW881, KPAE, June 06 2014

Original uploaded by Moonm, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/14176235760/

Both 4K-SW881 and 4K-SW882 (N807BA) in one picture, KPAE, June 06

Original uploaded by Moonm, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/14361919694/
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:45 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
- L/N1501 is is scheduled for August.

Interesting. Any word on a new customer? Or will she go into paint and come out in Silk Way West livery?

Do the previous Silk Way frames have a tentative delivery date?

Also, do you know if 1499 is still scheduled to be in paint in June with delivery in July?

Thanks for the great information!
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:09 am

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
L/N1501 is is scheduled for August.

Interesting. Any word on a new customer?

No, the Boeing operator code is still the same : 662 ( numbers indicate that a customer is TBD or not officially confirmed, otherwise it will be indicated by a three letter code, e.g. TLS = Atlas Air. CLX = Cargolux etc.)

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
Or will she go into paint and come out in Silk Way West livery?

We don't know, but probably she will be delivered in August to a yet unknown customer

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
Do the previous Silk Way frames have a tentative delivery date?

Only L/N1493 / 4K-S881 has at this moment a delivery month : late July 2014
Nothing yet about L/N1496 , the second Silk Way freighter.

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
Also, do you know if 1499 is still scheduled to be in paint in June with delivery in July?

No new info emerged.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
- L/N1491 is now scheduled for July

Interesting, because LN 1490 is still in Pinal Airpark!

Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
- L/N1501 is is scheduled for August.

Delivery before Silk Way LN 1493 and 1496? It might indicate another customer for LN 1501.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:11 pm

What exactly is going on with Air China's -8Is?

Is there a scheduled delivery other than the rollouts, I'm mean if they'd been deferred or delayed wouldn't they be painted and flown to the desert like NCA and the like, parking a stripped jet at the field seems very odd.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 24):
What exactly is going on with Air China's -8Is?

One possible reason is the incorrect paint formulation was delivered and therefore Boeing was unable to paint it until the new formulation arrives. And if said paint has arrived, there may be an issue with paint hangar availability.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:01 am

Quoting karadion (Reply 18):
He probably mixed up Farnborough with Paris.

Correct, that was what I meant.

So any chances of 748i orders at Farnborough? Really hoping there's a few different airlines and top up orders for this plane. 777X can't be the be all end all plane.
 
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Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:02 am

Quoting jvaljean (Reply 16):
wouldn't look for a UPS order for this type until such time as it becomes clear that Boeing is winding down the program as was the case with the 744F.

Is this so they can get better prices?
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting CCA (Reply 24):
What exactly is going on with Air China's -8Is?
Lease/sold to CX   lol , still can't load images here.

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 27):
Is this so they can get better prices?

Partly, however, given the current state of the cargo market, purchase of this type probably isn't a priority for UPS in its strategic planning until such time as the future ability to purchase it becomes a date certain.
 
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Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:55 am

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:07 pm

NCA LN 1487 went up for a C1 flight today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/476090531068395520/
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:13 pm

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
Also, do you know if 1499 is still scheduled to be in paint in June with delivery in July?

I don't think you should look for LN 1499 to be delivered in July. Perhaps painting in July and delivery in the third quarter is a better estimate.  
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 32):

Quoting gennadius (Reply 21):
Also, do you know if 1499 is still scheduled to be in paint in June with delivery in July?

I don't think you should look for LN 1499 to be delivered in July. Perhaps painting in July and delivery in the third quarter is a better estimate.  

As its Air China´s first 748I it´ll take some time to install the cabin and get everything working as wanted. So, yes, after the painting delay I also dont expect a delivery before August/September.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
- L/N1491 is now scheduled for July

Why is ln.1491 delivered before sistership ln.1490? Because ln. 1491 in in Everett and can be prepared easier? Or is ln. 1490 owned by a lessor and Cargolux still in negotiations?
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:55 pm

Quoting na (Reply 33):
As its Air China´s first 748I it´ll take some time to install the cabin and get everything working as wanted. So, yes, after the painting delay I also dont expect a delivery before August/September.

Actually as long as it's not a weird IFE system that's never been used before or the parts are late the flow should be similar to previous 744/748i. There may be some certification work required (ground/flight) but that would only add a week at most.

The paint delay may have been more of a parts/customer delay. The paint hangars are operating 24/7 and it was probably more efficient to get some of the paint work done then wait until closer to delivery to complete the job.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting na (Reply 33):

As its Air China´s first 748I it´ll take some time to install the cabin

Unlike the A380, 747 interiors are standardized and it takes no longer for a new customer than it does for an old customer. Now seats may be a problem (a non Boeing item) if the customer changed vendors or design too late to meet delivery schedule, the lavs and galleys are already installed and tested, avionics are standard, software isn't that unique, so let's not throw out unfounded assumptions for speculation.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:21 am

Quoting Laddie (Reply 32):

I don't think you should look for LN 1499 to be delivered in July. Perhaps painting in July and delivery in the third quarter is a better estimate.

Ah, interesting. I think the only date we had for July was simply based on it originally trying to go into paint in May. With the other two rolling out before the end of the year, will they still all deliver before year end?

Also, any word on if Korean will take delivery of their 8i before the end of the year? The recent articles seemed to say 2015, but I don't know what corroboration there is for that.

In a related note, it appears that 1502 has rolled out in the same manner as 1501 did. Still no other information for either of these frames it seems.

http://paineairport.com/kpae10475.htm
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:54 pm

Quoting gennadius (Reply 36):
In a related note, it appears that 1502 has rolled out in the same manner as 1501 did. Still no other information for either of these frames it seems.

Indeed. This Mystery Customer likez to remain mysterious. Let's hope 1501 and 1502 are painted at Everett. Then we should have a better idea who the M.C. is once the airplanes emerge from the paint hangar!  
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:38 am

Quoting Laddie (Reply 37):
Let's hope 1501 and 1502 are painted at Everett. Then we should have a better idea who the M.C. is once the airplanes emerge from the paint hangar

We have a few very good spotters in PDX as well!  
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:42 pm

LN1487/RC527 is scheduled to fly to Marana (KMZJ) for storage today or tomorrow.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:51 pm

Today's Aviation Daily has an article about IATA's estimate for the air freight market over the next twelve months. It ain't good.

First two paragraphs:

Air freight executives are taking a more pessimistic look at the next 12 months following a stagnant start to 2014 that saw volumes decline after a promising end to 2013, an International Air Transport Association (IATA) survey shows.

“Consistent with recent weakening in the demand backdrop, heads of cargo surveyed in April 2014 expect slower growth in traffic volumes over the next 12 months (compared to the January survey) and no change in yields,” IATA says in its second-quarter cargo market snapshot.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 40):
Today's Aviation Daily has an article about IATA's estimate for the air freight market over the next twelve months. It ain't good.

Yeah, I saw that. CargoFacts had an article back on June 3 that was dealing with how there are contradictory data points and predictions out there. It's at this URL, but behind a paywall. http://cargofacts.com/the-battle-of-the-data-continues/ and it describes how not everyone has such a conservative view on how the market is going. Who is right? I think only time will tell, but my usual bet for things like this is that the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.  


For the article, the parts that I can see have a couple of the following quotes:

Quote:

Last week saw the release of the International Air Transport Association’s analysis of worldwide air cargo traffic in April, showing a decline in the year-over-year growth rate from 6.7% the previous month to 3.2% in April. But now, data from WorldACD contradict IATA’s conclusions and show growth in air freight demand continuing at well over 6% in April. Who do you believe?

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For full year 2014, IATA predicts total cargo traffic will be up 3.1% over 2013. Contrast this with WorldACD’s data, which show cargo volume up 6.8% y-o-y for the first quarter of 2014, with growth continuing at almost the same rate in April – 6.3%. And where IATA cautions that slow growth – in the range of 3% – is to be expected until late in 2014, WorldACD says “expectations for the full year [are] upbeat.”
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:16 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 39):
LN1487/RC527 is scheduled to fly to Marana (KMZJ) for storage today or tomorrow.

Hmm Matt Cawby tweeted a few days ago that it just did a customer test flight?
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:01 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):

Hmm Matt Cawby tweeted a few days ago that it just did a customer test flight?

Yes, a few Boeing and customer acceptance flights were performed this month to gain "technical acceptance." Now she goes to the desert for storage until the customer is ready to put the airplane into service.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:18 pm

Some work being done on LN1487/RC527. As soon as it is done, then she will be flown to KMZJ for storage.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:14 pm

Airline Reporter is walking through the FAL, two nice pictures:

1) Lufthansa RC036 / LN 1503 on final position:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqWct7NCMAAjYIw.jpg:large

2) Cargolux RC512 / LN 1504 in 1st slant position, Cathay RC564 / LN 1505 in the back:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqW3uuCCMAEhbFJ.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/AirlineReporter
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:14 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 45):
Airline Reporter is walking through the FAL, two nice pictures:

Airline Reporter uploaded more photos to Flickr, have a look:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:49 am

Nice Pictures.

It will great to see an intercontinental wearing a different livery when the Air China 747-8 comes out of the paint shop soon. Looking forward to the unveiling.

Some interesting news from Bloomberg. I hope it leads to something new.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-s-icbc-for-747-8-jumbo-order.html
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:35 pm

Quoting gogojet (Reply 47):

I'm willing to bet that it's 1501 and 1502.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 16

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting gogojet (Reply 47):
when the Air China 747-8 comes out of the paint shop soon. Looking forward to the unveiling.

Does that mean it's been moved into the paint hangar? Or is it still parked on the flight line and if so any particular work being done on it?
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