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Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:32 pm

just on the newsfeed (German only, sorry): http://www.aero.de/news-19715/Air-Be...-NIKI-verstaerken-Etihad-Netz.html

from Dez.14 on AB will operate STR-AUH with a daily A320 nonstop service. Config will be 12C and 132Y. Same will be done by Niki (HG) with VIE-AUH. This will also be Niki's first C-Class flights.

The planes probably will be fitted with auxiliary fuel tanks due to the distance of about 2600nm. Rumors are that at least one plane will be registered as D-ABNJ, which is a new reg in the fleet for AB. No informations about Niki so far.
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:50 pm

That's a LONG time spent on an A320...I'd rather take the hop up to DUS or TXL to grab the 332 service just to feel a bit less claustrophobic.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):

I suppose it does sound a bit claustrofobic, but it's not really. Actually the flight would usually only be around 5½ hours,, which is not bad considering what you can end up with going TATL with a 757 on UA or DL.

I tried flying BAH-FRA with Gulf Air (in a A320) and I was rather impressed by their service although I was in business class. The small cabin felt very exclusive. Really enjoyed it.
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 2):
I tried flying BAH-FRA with Gulf Air (in a A320) and I was rather impressed by their service although I was in business class. The small cabin felt very exclusive. Really enjoyed it.

The seats on Niki's (or AB) A320 are nowhere near business class.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:06 pm

SRT- AUH will be launched 1DEC

Quoting txlbased (Thread starter):
from Dez.14 on AB will operate STR-AUH with a daily A320 nonstop service.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:41 pm

Press releases in english:

http://www.airberlingroup.com/en/pre...lights-from-stuttgart-to-abu-dhabi

http://www.flyniki.com/en-AT/niki/pr...senews.php?show=2014-06-02%2010:44

Pending government approval VIE is to start 24th November and Stuttgart 1st December
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 3):
The seats on Niki's (or AB) A320 are nowhere near business class.

See the first post, I assume that means a new seating arrangement?

Quoting txlbased (Thread starter):
from Dez.14 on AB will operate STR-AUH with a daily A320 nonstop service. Config will be 12C and 132Y. Same will be done by Niki (HG) with VIE-AUH. This will also be Niki's first C-Class flights.


[Edited 2014-06-02 08:51:05]

[Edited 2014-06-02 08:51:29]
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
That's a LONG time spent on an A320...I'd rather take the hop up to DUS or TXL to grab the 332 service just to feel a bit less claustrophobic.

This is a misnomer created by instrumental conditioning over some years.

In fact I prefer single aisle with fewer bodies encroaching into my personal space and especially in steerage classes !

IMHO There are few things more depressing than a ten across saloon in the back of some wide-body operating through the Gulf .
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:01 pm

STR Gulf did not work for QR. VIE might be OK as it is a hub Operation for AB. STR is not. The ICE Train from the City to FRA takes 75 minutes which is often quicker than flying, north/ northeastern Suburbs drive to FRA.

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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:16 pm

The same could be said for any long-haul from STR (DL, UA), but they do exist.

EY has flights from the five biggest German airport to AUH, so STR als #6 is the logical next step. In fact, adding flights from regional airports with narrowbodies operated by AB could be a smart move to grow the German market if EY cannot add any new gateways or add frequencies with their own metal because of traffic rights. In contrast to EK and QR they have the option to do that.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 6):
See the first post, I assume that means a new seating arrangement?

Yes, presently Niki does not have a business class (nor has AB on the A320, afaik). Introduction of C is new. But nothing about an improved economy is mentioned, so it will be the same as now.

EK flies VIE-DXB twice daily with a 777(?), so a lot of competition on the route. Why bother with the small bird ?
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 10):
Yes, presently Niki does not have a business class (nor has AB on the A320, afaik). Introduction of C is new. But nothing about an improved economy is mentioned, so it will be the same as now.

Could it happen that EY leases 2 or 3 frames to AB/HG to operate these routes? Their A320s have a 16C/120Y configuration and I think could easily be modified to 12C/132Y.

If AB/HG modify some of their own A320s I think they're going to offer the same seats/service as EY does on their A320s. Same happened with the AB A330s not too long ago, which got the EY C-Class seats.


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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:37 am

Could work well. 130 Y on a A320 is probably not worse than the Y on their A330.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:16 am

QR and RJ are flying small busses to VIE. And OS did the same with 737 to DXB some years ago. It is long overdue that HG or EY are linking VIE and AUH. Will be interesting to see what HG comes up with as C class.
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:18 am

there will be enaugh feeder demand for EY ex vie, that is for sure. plus QR are scaling up vie (330) and EK would like to bring even more planes than the current daily (exept one day) two 77W. QR is currently flying the 319/20/21 on their route. RJ also operates 319/20/21 as well as the E75 (?) and E90. MS also serves VIE occasionally with the E75. to me, all of them are more comfortale than a widebody, but it is always depending on the config.

so the demand is there, and a 320 can be filled without troubles. it would be cool if they fit ER or EY with add. fuel tanks, since these are the ones with sharklets....
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:24 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 12):
Could work well. 130 Y on a A320 is probably not worse than the Y on their A330.

But with a 30" seat pitch...not fun.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 14):
current daily (exept one day)

Already operates daily per its timetable:

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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:06 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 13):
Will be interesting to see what HG comes up with as C class.

probably sogerma c-class seats with rave IFE for HG and AB A320. much more exciting is what happens to y-class. new seats with IFE? and will there be WiFi (which is planned anyway)?
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 16):
Already operates daily per its timetable:

You missed the full statement:

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 14):
current daily (exept one day) two 77W

It is 13 weekly
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
It is 13 weekly

What is? 13 weekly isn't mentioned in the reply 14.

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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 19):
13 weekly isn't mentioned in the reply 14.

EK fly DXB-VIE 13 weekly. Which is what he said, the syntax wasn't correct but I assume English isn't his first language. It is two daily 77W (except one day).
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 20):
EK fly DXB-VIE 13 weekly. Which is what he said, the syntax wasn't correct but I assume English isn't his first language. It is two daily 77W (except one day).

Aha, I see. The date I searched for must have coincided with alterations following the runway resurfacing works as only 1x daily was shown.
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:35 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15):
But with a 30" seat pitch...not fun.

maybe 31", but still no fun for a grown up.

Quoting txlbased (Reply 17):
probably sogerma c-class seats with rave IFE for HG and AB A320. much more exciting is what happens to y-class. new seats with IFE? and will there be WiFi (which is planned anyway)?

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Quoting [email protected] (Reply 19):
What is? 13 weekly isn't mentioned in the reply 14.

Twice daily. Except one day where there is only 1 flight.

Niki so far is a profitable airline. Now it will be ruined by EY, just like AB.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:15 pm

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 14):
EK would like to bring even more planes than the current daily (exept one day) two 77W.

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that the current bilateral allows for 13 weekly flights between Austria and the UAE, 7 of whose are currently held by EK with a daily 77W while OS holds the other 6 rights (one currently unused as they operate only 5 weekly flights with a 763). I can't find any day where EK operates twice daily to VIE.
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:47 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 23):
I can't find any day where EK operates twice daily to VIE.

One of the daily (in fact 6x weekly) flights (EK127-128) is currently suspended due to the runway repairs at DXB until July 20. But the normal 13x weekly service will resume after that.
 
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RE: Airberlin Starts Daily STR-AUH, Niki VIE-AUH

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting Cassi (Reply 24):
One of the daily (in fact 6x weekly) flights (EK127-128) is currently suspended due to the runway repairs at DXB until July 20. But the normal 13x weekly service will resume after that.

Thanks. Then I recalled the bilateral incorrectly  .
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