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Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:59 am

AA could have replaced the A300's with them and used them on the LAX-Hawaii routes. Other airlines could have used them for high density aircraft as well as transcons.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:19 am

In short -- bad, bad timing.

The -300 was launched in Sept 1996 and entered service in 1999. In 2001, the aftermath 9-11 attacks all but wiped out airlines' ability to pay for and appetite for buying niche aircraft. At the time of the launch AA (and UA) were not in a financial position to purchase the -300, and since both had the 767-200 in their fleets (or entering the fleet) the 753 was not seen as necessary.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#757-300
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/United%20Airlines.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/American%20Airlines.htm
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):
Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

One factor cited by the two previous threads below is the late introduction of the type. You may also find other reasons in them.


Why Did The 757-300 Fail? (by 1337Delta764 Jan 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)
If The 757-300 Were Offered Earlier... (by 1337Delta764 Sep 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:27 am

The 757-300 is a boarding/deboarding nightmare.

When using a gate with a single jetway only one door can be used and only one aisle is available for all passengers. Given that there are several passengers blocking that aisle because they are struggeling with the bins, there is a big pile up behind.

That's why the 753 was quite popular with charter airlines (apron parking - two doors in use and a longer turnaround time) and not so popular with scheduled carriers (only one door in use, short turnaround time).
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 3):
That's why the 753 was quite popular with charter airlines (apron parking - two doors in use and a longer turnaround time) and not so popular with scheduled carriers (only one door in use, short turnaround time).

IT was Too Long, it was the Dc-8-61 of the 1990's. This was a niche plane anyways, it came late in the 757 development. Northwest , Condor and American Trans Air were the main customers. Continental got a few and some American Trans Air did take after they closed.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:22 pm

I don't buy the explanation that it was available too late. IMO the 753 was a last gasp attempt by Boeing to keep the 757 going when it was clear that airlines were no longer interested in it, in any shape or form. Just look at the order book. By 1994, 757 orders had all but dried up. In 1996 Boeing launches the 753. At the same time you can match the decline of the 757 orders with the launch of the A321. It's as clear as day. It wasn't a big market segment to begin with but the A321's and to some extent the B739's cheaper operating costs won just about every order there was to win and it's still going strong.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:24 pm

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 3):
The 757-300 is a boarding/deboarding nightmare.

With L2 Boarding it was ok, 51 Pax left, 223 right, max 5 Minutes more compared with a 189 seat 738.

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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:24 pm

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 1):
In 2001, the aftermath 9-11 attacks all but wiped out airlines' ability to pay for and appetite for buying niche aircraft.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
American Trans Air were the main customers. Continental got a few and some American Trans Air did take after they closed.

CO originally ordered 15, however they only took delivery of 9 and cancelled the remaining order during downturn in flying after 9/11. They later picked up 12 of ATA's former 753s. For CO it was the perfect aircraft for flying EWR-Florida/Caribbean/Las Vegas and IAH-California. Now UA utilizes it for West Coast Hawaii, and some trans-cons like BOS-SFO, IAD-LAX.
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:41 pm

Hej

Having been cabin crew for Thomas Cook on the Boeing 757-300 I can confirm what 'Trijetsonly' said, when it comes to boarding and deboarding the whole process slows down as it only takes on pax to block the aisle... TCX Hubs the B753 always used jetways so only one exit however down route at some airports we would be able to use stairs which meant we went from one exit to three - this meant pax were off much quicker. In fact quite often you would find that TCX requested a remote stand so we could use more exits!   

I found that in flight cabin service was hard work on the B753. With the main galley at the rear of the aircraft you would have to drag the trollys all the way to the front which meant you had to pass 48 rows of pax many standing in your way and also four lavatorys were there would always be a queue. Due to the single aisle there was very few places for the pax to move to when they were in your way.

I did find however pax seemed to like the aircraft as there were more window seats then on a Boeing 767-200 or Airbus A310 but some pax complained the cabin felt "very long, very thin" which is true.

What did suprise me is that Britannia Airways (now known as Thomson Airways UK) did not order the B753. They already operated the Boeing 752 in large numbers and around the launch date Britannia Airways had started to retire their older B762 (with had two extra over wing exits so the aircraft could carry more pax). One would have thought the B753 would have been a good replacement for the older B762's (Britannia Airways used their older B762's on European services and hardly ever crossing the Atlantic so range would not have been a problem with the B753).

Could it have been that for the type of route the B753 would fly, she was just a nightmare at the airport? I mean you can't be that long and not cause a few issues (I know other aircraft are longer but they are used on long haul routes so assigned international gates which tend to be bigger as the aircraft are bigger also).

Either way I am pleased I no longer work on the Boeing 757-300, after a return trip to say Cyprus (around four hours each way) your feel would hurt a lot with all that walking  

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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:09 pm

Irrespective of all the negatives, the plane is a CASM dream.

It's the prefect plane to replace domestic widebody capacity in the US. It's very good for high volume high density markets, transcon, Hawaii, Florida and Caribbean flying.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:13 pm

I bet if Boeing opened up the 757 line and made a few tweaks to the design & fuel efficiency you'd probably get a nice chunk of orders.

The 757-300 didn't do very good as others said because of timing. The CASM on a 757-300 is extremely low. As a matter of fact, the 757-300 at DL has the lowest CASM in the industry (US scheduled airlines). If Boeing went to DL and offered 25 757-300s DL would probably jump on them.

There is no feasible 757 replacement at this time. The 737-900 and the A321 don't even come close to the 757. Boeing should reconsider re-opening the 757 line. Like I said...maybe make a few tweaks to the shape of the wing and put a little more fuel efficient engines and you're good to go.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting SwedeBAW (Reply 8):
Having been cabin crew for Thomas Cook on the Boeing 757-300 I can confirm what 'Trijetsonly' said, when it comes to boarding and deboarding the whole process slows down as it only takes on pax to block the aisle

The 753 has a nickname here, "das lange Elend" (the long misery)
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
I bet if Boeing opened up the 757 line and made a few tweaks to the design & fuel efficiency you'd probably get a nice chunk of orders.

If Boeing went to DL and offered 25 757-300s DL would probably jump on them.

Boeing should reconsider re-opening the 757 line. Like I said...maybe make a few tweaks to the shape of the wing and put a little more fuel efficient engines and you're good to go.

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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting airzim (Reply 9):
Irrespective of all the negatives, the plane is a CASM dream. It's the prefect plane to replace domestic widebody capacity in the US. It's very good for high volume high density markets, transcon, Hawaii, Florida and Caribbean flying.

That's what matters above all else....CASM. Which is why I still can't believe the 753 didn't do better than it did, 9/11 or no 9/11. So it takes a few more minutes to deboard. All of the US legacies of the 90's and 00's had big 752 fleets, so the 753 wouldn't have been *that* 'niche. They're great for hubs to high-density leisure and transcon destinations, as Airzim noted. These airports have parking for aircraft of that length. The ajirlines' loss, I guess.

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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:34 pm

The 753 is the most popular aircraft in my dreams... If I could realistically fly on any type that I have not been on it would be the 753 - IIRC it is the longest single isle commercial aircraft ever made. Does anybody reckon there will ever be a longer single isle? I think the 753's record might be safe...
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:37 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
The 753 is the most popular aircraft in my dreams...

How opinions differ. Its the ugliest modern jetliner out there in my opinion.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:40 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
There is no feasible 757 replacement at this time. The 737-900 and the A321 don't even come close to the 757.

You can continue to believe that stuff if it makes you feel better but it's utterly wrong. The reality is, and the numbers don't lie, that the 757 stopped selling almost exactly on the day that the A321 started selling (and the 739). So I will take the airlines's actions over what anyone else says, any time. To this day, airlines are still choosing to buy brand new A321's over used 757's (See DL's latest A321 order).
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting na (Reply 15):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
The 753 is the most popular aircraft in my dreams...

How opinions differ. Its the ugliest modern jetliner out there in my opinion.

Funny you should say that as I can't recall saying it was the most beautiful aircraft. In fact, I don't even recall saying it looks good...  
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 16):

Airbazar is right -- if that were true, the 757 market wouldn't have all but dried up. If anything, the incredible thing is that between them the 321 and 739 cover about 95% of the 757's role. There are only a couple areas they still lag behind the 757:

-L2 boarding (really only the 739, as you CAN do it on a 321). Obviously it still doesn't have the panache of the 757 with that large "foyer" feeling when you enter, but still doable

-Field performance at max payload/range with a short runway, hot weather, or terrain to deal with

-Useful TATL range with any meaningful Y pax load (PrivatAir does it of course with 73G's, but as J only)

-230 pax in two class config with the 753


Those are useful sure, but the 757s out there can and do handle those situations quite capably, and there wouldn't be a business case there to re-open production just for that. For everything else, the 739 and 321 do just fine. And let's not forget that stuff like TATL more than likely will come to a future version that's been modified to get the necessary performance.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting na (Reply 11):
The 753 has a nickname here, "das lange Elend" (the long misery)


I do recall a report about LH considering the 753 for European scheduled ops, and an airframe for LH ground tests (I assume in FRA). In addition to the long pax boarding/deplaning, Baggage handling was a nightmare. Aren't some 753s equipped with a conveyor belt below? I recall some discussion about that, perhaps it was just an option.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:18 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
Boeing should reconsider re-opening the 757 line.

I still think they might. The Boeing 739ER (or MAX when it does arrive) to the 764 is just to big of a gap in "size"
Yes I know the seat count is almost the same but if Boeing were to revamp it....I bet it would sell very well.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:19 pm

Isn't it the 753 has a CASM that rivals the latest 321s ?

I love that plane actually but too bad JetBlue doesn't have any
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:20 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
IT was Too Long,

How do you explain the A-340-600 then??
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:22 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 5):
I don't buy the explanation that it was available too late. IMO the 753 was a last gasp attempt by Boeing to keep the 757 going when it was clear that airlines were no longer interested in it, in any shape or form. Just look at the order book. By 1994, 757 orders had all but dried up. In 1996 Boeing launches the 753.

Had Boeing offered the 753 in the late 80's just as 752 orders were ramping up, I have no doubt that all the US majors would have ordered large numbers of the 753 (with, likely correspondingly fewer 752 orders).
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 22):
How do you explain the A-340-600 then??

Or the 77W, and to top it all, the future 777-9X? I think particularly the latter must also be awful to board when sitting in the back. The A346 is at least somewhat aesthetically balanced by its four engines.

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 19):
I do recall a report about LH considering the 753 for European scheduled ops, and an airframe for LH ground tests (I assume in FRA). In addition to the long pax boarding/deplaning, Baggage handling was a nightmare.

Thats where the nickname comes from.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 17):
Funny you should say that as I can't recall saying it was the most beautiful aircraft. In fact, I don't even recall saying it looks good...  

Ah, ok, maybe you should have said "... in my nightmares" then 
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 3):
The 757-300 is a boarding/deboarding nightmare.

When using a gate with a single jetway only one door can be used and only one aisle is available for all passengers. Given that there are several passengers blocking that aisle because they are struggeling with the bins, there is a big pile up behind.

We can always go back to the 1960's and park the 753 like UA would park a DC-8-61 parallel to the terminal and put jetways to the front and rear doors.  
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:32 pm

Isn't it called "Angströhre" (tube of fear), as well  

LH evaluated the type by using a Condor airplane and found the turnaround times to be too long.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:41 pm

The 753 is a pretty cool airplane, though the 757 in general is one of my favorite aircraft.
I had the pleasure of flying on the 753 a few times with NW and DL. One flight was from PHX to MSP in the summer, I thought we'd never get off the ground on our take-off roll.
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:54 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 22):
How do you explain the A-340-600 then??

Two aisles for 8-across vs. one aisle 6-across.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
LH evaluated the type by using a Condor airplane and found the turnaround times to be too long.

That's what I've heard, as well.
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:29 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 13):
The ajirlines' loss, I guess.

Our loss too. The 753 has such a unique and beautiful shape. And the height at which a 757 stands off the ground makes it even better.

You can spot a 753 apart from anything else, including a 752, from across an airfield on a hazy day.

Everything else flying today looks the same. A319/20/21, 737s, they're the same. 767, A330s are the same. They all look the same, and do similar things. The only noticable diff is specs and tech related info.

I'm going to miss the 757. I know one day, there will be a replacement. It may well be after every 757 is rotting away in the Mojave, but they can't ignore that aircraft category/segment forever.

The A321 and -900er are wanna be replacements. Pull up Flightaware/FR24 tonight and see how many TATL flights from the NE US to western EU are 757s.

Let me know when that A321/-900er is doing those routes.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:33 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 31):
Our loss too. The 753 has such a unique and beautiful shape. And the height at which a 757 stands off the ground makes it even better.

Especally those awesome, amazing, and just plain fantastic RR engines......if that thing flys overhead I do not even need to look......

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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:38 pm

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 3):
The 757-300 is a boarding/deboarding nightmare

Wow. Flew the 300 out of MSP for four months back in the NW days and did not see any nightmares. Boarding seemed to go smoothly in about the same time as a 200. Never delayed and the crew didn't appear stressed or rushed. Boarding was always from L2.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:56 pm

Quoting na (Reply 11):
The 753 has a nickname here, "das lange Elend" (the long misery)
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
Isn't it called "Angströhre" (tube of fear), as well

My friends at UA call it "Satans bowling alley"
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:53 pm

I love this plane. It just needed winglets and another door for de-planing. But the CASM was pretty good and I think it was affordable. Its what I would have imagined most TransCons in the USA to be like all other things being equal.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:55 pm

Isn't the range also too short on the 757-300 compared to the 757-200ER?
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):
Had Boeing offered the 753 in the late 80's just as 752 orders were ramping up, I have no doubt that all the US majors would have ordered large numbers of the 753 (with, likely correspondingly fewer 752 orders).

Not a chance for 2 reasons: Most airlines had already decided to fulfill that niche with the 762/A310 which could fly further, carry more payload, and offer passengers a better product. Fuel prices were not an issue. And nn the domestic market, we were in the midst of deregulation where more frequency with smaller equipment was preferred by airlines. While the 752 had a specific niche as a 727 replacement, the 753 was never going to be a good seller no matter when you offered it.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:27 pm

Do you think if Thomas Cook/Condor offloads their 753 one day that UA might take them?
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 12):
Oh boy, you'd better brace yourself.

Time for our weekly, "Boeing needs to restart the 757 line" thread, it appears.
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:00 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 37):

Not sure about UA, but I'd bet DL would at least LOOK at them for a tasty price. Obviously DL would have the issue of being the sole PW 753 operator, but their history of right type at the right price could make them a good candidate.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:21 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
IIRC it is the longest single isle commercial aircraft ever made

Or the DC-8-61, which certainly had an impressive number of exits. In either case, they're long and skinny.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:51 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
IIRC it is the longest single isle commercial aircraft ever made.

Well your recollection is wrong.

DC-8-61/63 - length 57.12m (187ft 5in)

B757-300 - length 54.47m (178ft 7in)
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:14 pm

My horror story about the 753 was when I flew a NW flight from DTW to MSP. It was a full flight and I was seated in the very last row. Rotation was interesting, BTW. I was sure that the tarmac was going to scrape my backside!

But the nightmare was disembarkation. They dinged the seatbelt sign. It was 30 minutes before I walked out the door of the aircraft. If I'd had checked bags, that would have been convenient, but I hadn't. I now refuse to fly the 753 because they won't let me see the seat map before purchase and I simply will not sit behind the wing.

That said, for CASM at that tech level, it's a hard plane to beat.
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:30 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 22):
How do you explain the A-340-600 then??

The A346 is two aisle. The 753 is too long for a single aisle to load quickly through a jetway.

The 757 ceased production because it burned too much fuel and did not have enough commonality with the 737. I do not see it coming back.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:39 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 40):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):

Or the DC-8-61, which certainly had an impressive number of exits. In either case, they're long and skinny.

I flew on many DC-8-61s and -63s and, even at airports where you boarded using stairs, I can't ever recall using more than the front and rear doors. And at many, probably most, airports they used bridges and only one door and it never seemed to be a problem. Turnaround times were long enough for any 4-engine jets that a few extra minutes to board and deplane wasn't a problem.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:51 pm

Some NW manager (can't remember which) was on record as saying they should have ordered more 753s before the line shut down because the plane had awesome economics! I believe NW used the 753 to cover some domestic widebody flights that were vacated when the DC10-40s were retired.
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:07 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
I bet if Boeing opened up the 757 line and made a few tweaks to the design & fuel efficiency you'd probably get a nice chunk of orders.

I'd take that bet - I can use some easy money.   



Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 19):
In addition to the long pax boarding/deplaning, Baggage handling was a nightmare. Aren't some 753s equipped with a conveyor belt below?

The 757-200 and 757-200PF could be fitted with an optional telescoping baggage system to load custom-fitted cargo modules in the forward and aft holds.

There are mentions of a "sliding carpet" system used by American and Icelandair, but this is an aftermarket product.

757-300 Luggage Problem (by OO-VEG Oct 2 2000 in Tech Ops)

http://www.telair.com/narrowBody_slidingCarpet.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...et-air-cargo-loading-system-33697/

http://www.asdnews.com/news-2961/ICE...ire_Fleet_of_B757-200_Aircraft.htm
 
romeobravo
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:15 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):
AA could have replaced the A300's with them and used them on the LAX-Hawaii routes.

The Caribbean routes were big cargo spinners though, hence why the A300 showed up there.

In fact i believe they were some of AA's most lucrative routes.
 
global2
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:46 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 25):

We can always go back to the 1960's and park the 753 like UA would park a DC-8-61 parallel to the terminal and put jetways to the front and rear doors.

And we'd have decent meals in tourist, I mean coach, and service with a smile!
 
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RE: Why Was The 757-300 Not That Popular?

Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:49 am

Quoting Trijetsonly (Reply 3):

If that's the case of being a boarding nightmare, then the high density A321 will suck big time

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