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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:06 am

Didn't see this posted yet....

"A wounded veteran flying from Seattle to Washington, D.C., on Alaska Airlines says he was forced to move out of an exit row because of his prosthetic leg."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Vet-...leg-Alaska-Airlines-261670701.html

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[Edited 2014-06-05 00:15:38]
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:17 am

And if he'd read the fine print, he would have noticed that persons with reduced mobility (inter alia) are not allowed in the exit row.

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From Alaska's website: ...Federal Law requires that passengers seated in the exit row MAY NOT fall into any of the following categories...You lack sufficient mobility, strength or dexterity in both arms and hands, and both legs to:...
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:25 am

I don't see the problem, if I were a passenger on that plane I would be glad which such a safety-minded cabin crew.

Just because he's a vet with a prostethic does not automatically mean he's exempt from following the damn rules.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:27 am

This is common knowledge these days that you CAN"T sit in the the emergency exit row if your not able or unwilling to assist in the event of an emergency. If I remember correctly, there are many things related to aviation that the ADA excludes.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:31 am

If the policy says that persons with reduced mobility are not allowed in exit rows (which i can understand as it is possible that they can not assist the crew during a emergency for 100%, ) then it is not more then normal that he is moved.
The crew can not know if he can perform the duties.
That is a veteran is not a issue and it looks to me that he is abusing his veteran status which is even worse then being moved to another seat.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:39 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 1):
And if he'd read the fine print, he would have noticed that persons with reduced mobility (inter alia) are not allowed in the exit row.

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From Alaska's website: ...Federal Law requires that passengers seated in the exit row MAY NOT fall into any of the following categories...You lack sufficient mobility, strength or dexterity in both arms and hands, and both legs to:...

Awesome.... Thanks for that information.

I will be sure to pass it along to my partner who has a prosthetic leg and yet, somehow, participates in mountain bike races that I would never dream of participating in....or whom, because he lives at the gym, can climb the stairs in our apartment faster than I can.... I will be sure to remind him that he should not sit in the exit row.

Glad he lost his leg due to a birth defect and not due to serving our country.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:41 am

Directly from Alaska's website


http://www.alaskaair.com/content/tra...nfo/policies/seating-exit-row.aspx

Also to be noted, this is NOT an Alaska policy, this is an FAA regulation. Alaska has no control except to enforce federal law where applicable. Reference, FAR 121.585

Alaska was totally justified in this action. As an experienced airline agent, myself, I can't say that I would have done anything different. We move people around all the time due to disqualifications. Whether the gentleman was capable or not, there's no way for the agent or flight attendant to determine that, so why risk it? All they had to base their decision on was the evidence in front of them (in this case, a prosthetic limb) and they made the call. Federal law is federal law. It's the same whether you fly Southwest, United or Alaska.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:42 am

VA hospitals have been a disaster for years and no one says boo until recently. Charge a veteran for the fifth checked bag or kick one out of an exit row for a prosthetic leg? Hell hath no fury like the righteous indignation coming your way. 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:05 am

Non-issue. Nothing here to see folks...

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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:17 am

The title needs to be changed to "Airline obeying FAA rules causes people to bark up the wrong tree".
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:29 am

Quoting tupolev141 (Reply 9):
The title needs to be changed to "Airline obeying FAA rules causes people to bark up the wrong tree".

I vote for this change.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:32 am

I fail to the see the problem,

If he was not limited in mobility moving to another row was no discomfort for him, if he was limited in mobility he is not allowed to sit there by FAA rules.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:33 am

My first reaction is, "good call." There's a possibility that the prosthetic leg would reduce his ability to aid others in an emergency, and that justifies asking him to change seats.

I'm very sorry that he lost his leg.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:35 am

Quoting seat38a (Reply 10):
I vote for this change.

Me too.

And I'm a right-wing, pro-military conservative!

This is ridiculous.

Quoting skycub (Reply 5):
I will be sure to pass it along to my partner who has a prosthetic leg and yet, somehow, participates in mountain bike races that I would never dream of participating in....or whom, because he lives at the gym, can climb the stairs in our apartment faster than I can.... I will be sure to remind him that he should not sit in the exit row.

Please do just that. Because it's the law.
How is an air crew supposed to simply take your word for it that you're perfectly mobile in an emergency?
Heck, they don't allow children in the exit row, and there are a fair number of children that are far more mobile than their morbidly obese parents, with whom I often seem to be "sharing" my exit row seat!
 
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Sounds to me as if some people think that they are above the rules or should get special treatment...  
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:54 am

I guess I just see things differently.

As a flight attendant, knowing who normally gets seated in the exit rows... I would actually feel more comfortable having my partner, who has a prosthetic leg and who goes to the gym on a daily basis and who participates in mountain bike races and who actually lives a healthier lifestyle than me, sit in the exit row than someone who is only sitting there because they have flown a million miles on my airline or because they paid an extra $100 to sit there.

If he sat in the exit row with a pair of pants on..... you would never even know he had a prosthetic leg.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:01 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):
I would actually feel more comfortable having my partner, who has a prosthetic leg and who goes to the gym on a daily basis and who participates in mountain bike races and who actually lives a healthier lifestyle than me, sit in the exit row than someone who is only sitting there because they have flown a million miles on my airline or because they paid an extra $100 to sit there.

How are the FAs on other flights to know of the ability of the passenger? It's not like there is a detailed survey given to all potential exit row pax in which they have to detail their activities and what they can do physically...
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13):
Please do just that. Because it's the law.
How is an air crew supposed to simply take your word for it that you're perfectly mobile in an emergency?
Heck, they don't allow children in the exit row, and there are a fair number of children that are far more mobile than their morbidly obese parents, with whom I often seem to be "sharing" my exit row seat!

As a flight attendant, I understand it's the law.

So answer me this:

If someone with a prosthetic leg sits in the exit row and they are wearing pants.....how does a flight attendant know they have a prosthetic leg????

I guess I take this a bit personally since my partner has a prosthetic leg..... but again.... if he chose to sit in the exit row and wear a pair of pants.... how would anyone know? We went on several dates before I knew he had a prosthetic leg....
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:08 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 17):
As a flight attendant, I understand it's the law.

So answer me this:

If someone with a prosthetic leg sits in the exit row and they are wearing pants.....how does a flight attendant know they have a prosthetic leg????

I guess I take this a bit personally since my partner has a prosthetic leg..... but again.... if he chose to sit in the exit row and wear a pair of pants.... how would anyone know? We went on several dates before I knew he had a prosthetic leg....

I think you're missing the point. It's you who started this post.

As you quite rightly point out yourself this is the law. So why the outrage.

The fact that your partner has a prosthetic leg and may conceal this on flights is irrelevant to the posted story. You can't make exceptions just because you have a very abled partner. Alaska have done the right thing here, end of story.
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Quoting skycub (Reply 17):
If someone with a prosthetic leg sits in the exit row and they are wearing pants.....how does a flight attendant know they have a prosthetic leg????

They don't. If the issue bothers you and your partner is as fit as you claim then why even mention it? Yes, it might be against the law, but so are a lot of things people do. A little white lie might be the way to go   If it is found out, well then, 'I can't recall that question' is the line that politicians use nowadays...  
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:20 am

Again.... imagine he had pants on and yo

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 19):
They don't. If the issue bothers you and your partner is as fit as you claim then why even mention it? Yes, it might be against the law, but so are a lot of things people do. A little white lie might be the way to go If it is found out, well then, 'I can't recall that question' is the line that politicians use nowadays...

No.... that's not it at all.

At my airline... I was trained: "Just make sure the people in the exit row are capable of the responsibilities required."

My point all along was: "A prosthetic leg does not mean you are not capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of the exit row."

If I am at the exit row, monitoring who sits there.... I am not going to know if someone wearing pants has a prosthetic leg.

If you sit there and cannot lift up your own carry-on bag.... I will know you can't lift the exit door.

If you approach the exit row using a cane,... I will know... you are not capable of sitting there.

If you have a prosthetic leg but you are wearing pants.... how will I know?
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:28 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 17):
I guess I take this a bit personally since my partner has a prosthetic leg..



Bingo.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:32 am

Quoting Dogbreath (Reply 18):
As you quite rightly point out yourself this is the law. So why the outrage.

I assure you... there is no outrage.

Quoting Dogbreath (Reply 18):
The fact that your partner has a prosthetic leg and may conceal this on flights is irrelevant to the posted story. You can't make exceptions just because you have a very abled partner. Alaska have done the right thing here, end of story.

Okay.... that's actually funny.

A assure you that my partner has never had a reason to "conceal" the fact that he was born with a birth defect and had to have his foot amputated at a young age.... but I am sure he would find it more humorous than me that you implied that. I will be sure to tell him. Thanks for the laugh.

You have kids, Dogbreath? I am sure they will find it hilarious if they ever have to have a limb amputated.
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Quoting skycub (Reply 20):
If you have a prosthetic leg but you are wearing pants.... how will I know?

I already answered in the first line of my last post. They answer was two words: "They don't" translated to "You won't" for the above question. I posted a solution above.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:40 am

The defenders of this are wrong. The airline was correct. I would not want a veteran with a fake leg sitting a row where peoples lives depend on it. Example. The plane crashes. everybody gets thrown around. Oh, but the guy with the fake leg just had it disloged. Now we have a guy with one leg in the exit row. Another example. The plane crashes and people are rushing to get out. His leg gets stepped on and gets knocked out of place. Now there is a guy with one leg in the exit row. The law is correct. The only flack about this is from right wingnutters and he being a veteran.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:43 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 20):
At my airline... I was trained: "Just make sure the people in the exit row are capable of the responsibilities required."

My point all along was: "A prosthetic leg does not mean you are not capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of the exit row."

Yes it does. And if you went against that then you should have been fired.
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Quoting rlwynn (Reply 24):
The defenders of this are wrong. The airline was correct. I would not want a veteran with a fake leg sitting a row where peoples lives depend on it. Example. The plane crashes. everybody gets thrown around. Oh, but the guy with the fake leg just had it disloged. Now we have a guy with one leg in the exit row. Another example. The plane crashes and people are rushing to get out. His leg gets stepped on and gets knocked out of place. Now there is a guy with one leg in the exit row. The law is correct. The only flack about this is from right wingnutters and he being a veteran.

Of course not!

We want the fat people who paid an extra $50 dollars to sit in the exit row!
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Quoting rlwynn (Reply 24):
The only flack about this is from right wingnutters and he being a veteran.

Last time I checked it was the left wingnutters who had the sense of entitlement  
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I don't know what to say...
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Quoting 777Jet (Reply 29):
I don't know what to say...

I do, No handicapped people in exit rows.
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Quoting rlwynn (Reply 30):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 29):
I don't know what to say...

I do, No handicapped people in exit rows.

I never disagreed...

I was referring to the foul post above my last post...
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:09 am

I am cabin crew.

On a fairly regular basis I am in charge of the emergency exit rows and monitor who is sitting there. If they are intellectually disabled or physically unable to help in an emergency they are not sitting there and I will kindly ask them to move.

I was agreeing with Skycub at the beginning. Yes, a prosthetic leg is a handicap, but as you said your partner is very fit etc. And then I even got thinking of Oscar Pistorius (before his court case).

But as rlwyn said:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 24):
Oh, but the guy with the fake leg just had it disloged. Now we have a guy with one leg in the exit row. Another example. The plane crashes and people are rushing to get out. His leg gets stepped on and gets knocked out of place. Now there is a guy with one leg in the exit row.

I admire your partner. But this is a very real scenario. The fit healthy guy who has overcome his handicap in day to day life now has a very real handicap (I'm not downplaying this either, obviously it's not easy for somebody to lose a limb) that has an effect on other's lives due to his unsuitability as an ABP.

So I have to finally agree that the Veteran was right to be moved.
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Quoting skycub (Reply 15):
As a flight attendant, knowing who normally gets seated in the exit rows... I would actually feel more comfortable having my partner, who has a prosthetic leg and who goes to the gym on a daily basis and who participates in mountain bike races and who actually lives a healthier lifestyle than me, sit in the exit row than someone who is only sitting there because they have flown a million miles on my airline or because they paid an extra $100 to sit there.

All rules in life are based around the lowest common denominator. Do we really need to read on our cup of coffee, this cup of coffee you are about to enjoy is very hot? No, most of us know that the coffee will be hot, and take appropriate actions. It took one person rocket scientist to spill their coffee in their lap, and burn themselves badly to get this new rule enacted.

What I am saying, is that although your partner is capable, and with his tendancy towards fitness, If the world was perfect, he would be a great canidate for exit row seating, IMO.

But as a whole, the majority of amputees do not posess the intense drive to push themselves like your partner, therefore as a whole there is often diminished capacity with their unfortunate loss of limbs.

Therefore the FAA makes blanket policies, keeping everyone who falls in this catagory from sitting in the exit row. You are too close to the issue, which is why your posts are insistant, but lovingly supportive of your partner.

I have a sort of similar issue with my partner and his mental health, He has found a once a month injection that resolves any auditory hallucinations he had in his past, He is a well trained medical professional and it is very hard to notice any issues he may have had when you meet or talk with him.

Yet when people do know, they have made uneducated judgements and drawn incorrect assumptions about his abilities, then I become your typical Scottish, Redheaded, Cancer that I am, and then I am ready to stand up for him and the cause all at once.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:29 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 22):
Okay.... that's actually funny.

A assure you that my partner has never had a reason to "conceal" the fact that he was born with a birth defect and had to have his foot amputated at a young age.... but I am sure he would find it more humorous than me that you implied that. I will be sure to tell him. Thanks for the laugh.

You have kids, Dogbreath? I am sure they will find it hilarious if they ever have to have a limb amputated.

I'm afraid you lost me here. In no way have I written (or intended to write) anything hilarious, about your partner's birth defect. Not sure why you think that's funny.

You wrote:

Quoting skycub (Reply 17):
since my partner has a prosthetic leg..... but again.... if he chose to sit in the exit row and wear a pair of pants.... how would anyone know?

These are your words - not mine.

My sentence included the word "may".


Quoting Dogbreath (Reply 18):
The fact that your partner has a prosthetic leg and may conceal this on flights is irrelevant to the posted story.

I don't have kids, and I have never found it funny for anyone to have a limb amputated (or any other life changing event).

Again, the actions of Alaska are correct and that is the end of story. The FAA (and other world aviation authorities) have mandated that certain categories of passengers are not to be seated in exit rows. As a cabin attendant I'd have thought that you would understand the reasons for this, and I'm sure your Airline would require and expect you to uphold this law. Let's move on.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:38 am

In aviation, the general rule is never to take any chances. If the slightest technical glitch occurs, an aircraft is grounded although the chances that something catastrophic will indeed happen are close to zero. In such a safety-minded/obsessed environment, why should there be an exception when it comes to exit rows? As others have said, it is impossible to individually assess the abilities of passengers so you have to go by general rules. As in every walk of life, this results in cases of hardship and unfairnessm but that simply is how the system works.
 
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Good for Alaska Airlines.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:55 am

The airline was totally in the right here. Also, I don't see the relevance of him having fought in Vietnam here. Unless, of course, he or anyone else thinks that entitles him to be treated better than anybody else.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:09 am

The FA and by extention the airline just followed the rules. And you need to seperate that from the value of that rule. What are we judging here? The person, or the rule? If this flight had an incident, even if thanks to this guy everyone got off safely, the airline would still get kicked in the nuts during the investigation for not following the directives, get fined and would probably lose the civil trial started by passengers 'traumatised because they were willingly put in danger by the airline for letting a one legged man handle the emergency exit'.

There is, in a way, an analogy with electronic devices on aircraft. It took years before the regulatory agencies felt comfortable changing the rules. In the future, with technological advances, you will have people with prostetics actually being MORE able than 'normal' humans to the point that you wish you were sitting next to this nice man with his exoskeleton who can easily let you out. But I bet this technology will exist way before the regulators change the rule that only let 'able bodied' people sit in an exit row.


P.S. Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes.

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Quoting tupolev141 (Reply 37):
If this flight had an incident, even if thanks to this guy everyone got off safely, the airline would still get kicked in the nuts during the investigation for not following the directives, get fined and would probably lose the civil trial started by passengers 'traumatised because they were willingly put in danger by the airline for letting a one legged man handle the emergency exit'.

That is a very good way to put it. Especially in the context of people trying to sue whoever and whatever they can whenever they can and for whatever they can...
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:27 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 20):

If you have a prosthetic leg but you are wearing pants.... how will I know?

As FAs make the decision by looking at the passengers, they can only base it on what they see. So if a disability is missed, as it was hard to spot under the clothes, this disability would still be a reason to move the person if it would have been noticed.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:19 pm

As a FA for a different US carrier I would've made the same decision. AS made the right choice here.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:51 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 26):
We want the fat people who paid an extra $50 dollars to sit in the exit row!

Actually, I'm pretty sure overlarge people have been booted from the exit row for the exact same reason.

I know of people who have been booted from the exit row because they claimed to have a bad back.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:52 pm

Prosthetic technology has advanced significantly since the days of pirate wooden peg legs. Unfortunately rule books, regulations and policy haven't kept pace. Or should I say mindsets haven't kept pace. Perhaps the FAA should establish a disability department (for lack of a better term) who would look at these types of issues from the inside.

The FAA needs to revisit this as they would any other rule. In the here and now it is a rule which has to be followed or fines are imminent. Safety in flying is not discretionary. Hopefully the FAA will reevaluate this. It often takes these types to issues to bring about change.

A few years ago I saw a Amazing Race entrant with two different styles of prosthetic legs run 2/3 around the globe which involved climbing the Great Wall of China before being eliminated and also repelling down another skyscraper. More recently a Para-Olympian took second place in the Dances with the Stars competition. Beat by another Olympian who still had her real legs.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 42):
A few years ago I saw a Amazing Race entrant with two different styles of prosthetic legs run 2/3 around the globe which involved climbing the Great Wall of China before being eliminated and also repelling down another skyscraper. More recently a Para-Olympian took second place in the Dances with the Stars competition. Beat by another Olympian who still had her real legs.

Can most people with prostheses do that? Or was that entrant an outlier?
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 43):
Can most people with prostheses do that?

I see a lot of good things happening with our wounded warriors returning from the battlefield. Some accomplishments are best understood as mind over matter.

If time and location allow I invite your attention to the what is happening at Walter Reed deux (the old National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. Even if it is just walking or riding around the hospital grounds.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:41 pm

On a side note, one time on a pretty empty midnight flight from PHNL to KSFO I went to sit in the overwing emergency exit row of a DAL B753. As I always do I was checking the mechanism and reading the safety card.

I saw a flight attendant come over and I could see on her face that tired "Here we go again" expression. When she reached me and saw I was studying the safety card a smile burst out like sunshine after a rain storm accompagnied by "Oh my god, you're actually reading the safety instructions!".

Made me realize how often these poor people must get snapped at.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:51 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 44):
I see a lot of good things happening with our wounded warriors returning from the battlefield. Some accomplishments are best understood as mind over matter.

I agree that some very significant developments have occurred, but that's not what I was asking. My point is that we can't base safety rules on the possibility that it would occasionally not be necessary.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:37 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
All rules in life are based around the lowest common denominator. Do we really need to read on our cup of coffee, this cup of coffee you are about to enjoy is very hot? No, most of us know that the coffee will be hot, and take appropriate actions. It took one person rocket scientist to spill their coffee in their lap, and burn themselves badly to get this new rule enacted.

What I am saying, is that although your partner is capable, and with his tendancy towards fitness, If the world was perfect, he would be a great canidate for exit row seating, IMO.

But as a whole, the majority of amputees do not posess the intense drive to push themselves like your partner, therefore as a whole there is often diminished capacity with their unfortunate loss of limbs.

Therefore the FAA makes blanket policies, keeping everyone who falls in this catagory from sitting in the exit row. You are too close to the issue, which is why your posts are insistant, but lovingly supportive of your partner.

I have a sort of similar issue with my partner and his mental health, He has found a once a month injection that resolves any auditory hallucinations he had in his past, He is a well trained medical professional and it is very hard to notice any issues he may have had when you meet or talk with him.

Yet when people do know, they have made uneducated judgements and drawn incorrect assumptions about his abilities, then I become your typical Scottish, Redheaded, Cancer that I am, and then I am ready to stand up for him and the cause all at once.

Welcome to my RU list. There is no other possible way to say what you've just said.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:52 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 5):
I will be sure to pass it along to my partner who has a prosthetic leg and yet, somehow, participates in mountain bike races that I would never dream of participating in....or whom, because he lives at the gym, can climb the stairs in our apartment faster than I can.... I will be sure to remind him that he should not sit in the exit row.

You may know that, how is an FA who is no relation to the person in question meant to know that? It's a reasonable assumption that someone with a prosthetic leg is less able-bodied than someone who does not. It's perfectly reasonable to use a rule-of-thumb in this instance as the FA simply does not have enough time to conduct a thorough examination of the passenger's abilities!

Quoting skycub (Reply 20):
My point all along was: "A prosthetic leg does not mean you are not capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of the exit row."

Not necessarily. But in many cases, it does. The rule is sensible.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 48):
the FA simply does not have enough time to conduct a thorough examination of the passenger's abilities!

What kind of examination did you have in mind? I wouldn't mind letting some of Air Asia's FAs examine my abilities  

On a more serious note, you hit the nail on the head!
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