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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:23 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 10):
Iberia transported the Spanish Team last Monday to Baltimore, where they are playing an exhibition game on Saturday

Not to be pedantic, but the game was played at FedEx Field, the home stadium of Washington's NFL team, located in Landover, Maryland which is a suburb of Washington. Baltimore's NFL team plays in a different stadium.

Regardless, BWI is the closest commercial airport to the stadium that could handle a widebody aircraft international arrival.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:29 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 31):

Air France will fly the French Team on a special B772er from LIL to GRU today June 7th.

Two days ago, Air France also flew the Netherlands National Team between CDG and GIG

It's rather an A332 (F-GZCN). The flight number is AF4000  
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:15 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 45):
So in the end, what airline or air charter airline did the English team use to fly to Brazil?

Judging by the first photo in the gallery here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...and-squad-arrive-rio-hotel-3662966

...they flew on ZS-DJI again.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:28 pm

 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 51):
It's rather an A332 (F-GZCN). The flight number is AF4000

What's "funny" is that, on flightradar, the regular flight AF456 CDG-GRU (B772) is just behind the special charter AF4000 LIL-GRU (A332). AF456 is scheduled to land 2 minutes before AF4000 (the 772 is faster than the A332). So for GRU spotters, you'll have 2 AF birds landing 2 minutes apart  
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:58 pm

Quoting ORDfan (Reply 53):
Looks like the USMNT took AA N750AN from MIA to GRU this morning.

Indeed. So the fans fly charter but the team flies on a regularly scheduled commercial flight? I would have thought UA/DL/AA would have jumped at the chance to run a charter for them. Guess US Soccer is just cheap.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:13 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 51):
It's rather an A332 (F-GZCN). The flight number is AF4000

Yep ! my mistake … it's indeed an A330.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:29 pm

Argentina team is flying this moment to Belo Horizonte

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:08 am

AeroMexico will be operating 80 charter flights from MEX to NAT, FOR, REC, SSA and GIG.

In all, AeroMexico will be transporting almost 20,000 Mexicans to the World Cup.

AeroMexico says it will do so in a combination of its regular flights from MEX to GRU (daily B777) and GIG (4x weekly B767, starts JUN 28) on which it expects to carry 7,000 pax plus another 13,000 on the chartered ones. They do not mention which metal will serve the charter flights, but I wouldn't doubt that they may send some of its 787s.

They also say that they are prepared to offer extra charters in case Mexico advances to the knock‐out rounds.

Link to the article in Spanish: http://www.dineroenimagen.com/2014-06-06/38399

All of these flights come on top of LATAM, COPA and Avianca's Mexico‐Brazil capacity plus that of all US airlines with connections through IAH and MIA, mainly.

This Mexican invasion of Brazil will also include a chartered 4,000 pax cruise ship, the MSC Divina, that will double as an anchored hotel for Mexicans in Recife, Salvador, Santos (Sao Paulo), and Rio de Janeiro on two round‐trips from Mexico.

Source in Spanish: http://cruceroadicto.com/el-msc-divi...evara-a-cruceristas-mexicanos.html

The Mexican Embassy in Brasilia and the Mexican Consulate in Rio have just announced that they will be installing "Mobile Consulates" around Brazil so that they can provide protection and services to these many people.

Source in Spanish: http://embamex.sre.gob.mx/brasil/ima...ares/060914tripticocopamundial.pdf

Interjet may be the Mexican National Team official provider, but the one that has, not the biggest slice, but almost the whole aviation‐cake, is AeroMexico.

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:05 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 45):
So in the end, what airline or air charter airline did the English team use to fly to Brazil

See Reply 39. Judging from the link there ZS-DJI will be flying the English team throughout their stay in Brazil as the operator offered it for charter initially ex-USA and now ex-Brazil.

It is worth noting that 'JI has already carried the team LTN-MIA and then MIA-GIG. The next leg, GIG-MAO for the match with Italy, is getting on for half the distance of the first two flights. I am guessing that the reason negotiations between the English FA (Football Association not Flight Attendants!) broke down is that BA needed to charge for leaving an aircraft sitting around on the ground in Miam. This will n ot have been such an issue with a 28 year-old 767 even if it has been extensively refurbished and especially if other charters carrying, for example, supporters from stadium to stadium can be made.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:04 am

There must be good money in World Cup charters. I just found out even Atlas is getting into it, shuttling fans between Belgium and Brazil. I suppose they wouldn't position an aircraft in Europe for just one flight, so I suspect Atlas will be operating from other countries as well.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:10 am

I just worked a EuroAtlantic B763 from Newark to Viracopos. Caught me offguard.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:41 pm



Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 55):
Indeed. So the fans fly charter but the team flies on a regularly scheduled commercial flight?

I'm not sure the fans' charter plane will have nearly the quality and comfort of the AA 77W J class. In fact I don't think there are many if any charter aircraft that can offer a cabin with that many flat bed seats. I guarantee you that the US NT had a much better product on their flight to GRU than Portugal's team had on their flight to VCP aboard their chartered EuroAtlantic 763.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 60):
There must be good money in World Cup charters.

Lots of it. Most of these have been fully booked for years. Just about every available airplane on the market is running WC charters. Factor in the fact that Brazil has a huge shortage of hotel beds and it magnifies the demand many times over.

Quoting longisland89 (Reply 61):
I just worked a EuroAtlantic B763 from Newark to Viracopos. Caught me offguard.

That was Portugal's NT plane. They played their last warmup game at MetLife stadium last night and the team will be based in Campinas.

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:27 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 62):
Lots of it. Most of these have been fully booked for years. Just about every available airplane on the market is running WC charters. Factor in the fact that Brazil has a huge shortage of hotel beds and it magnifies the demand many times over.

If there is a huge shortage of hotel beds, why would there be a huge demand for flights/ charters? I couldn't imagine people flying all the way to Brazil without having a hotel already booked, or am I reading something wrong?
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting Dallas (Reply 63):
If there is a huge shortage of hotel beds, why would there be a huge demand for flights/ charters? I couldn't imagine people flying all the way to Brazil without having a hotel already booked, or am I reading something wrong?

I was wondering the same thing... I would think a shortage of hotels would keep people away, making fewer charters necessary.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting Dallas (Reply 63):
If there is a huge shortage of hotel beds, why would there be a huge demand for flights/ charters? I couldn't imagine people flying all the way to Brazil without having a hotel already booked, or am I reading something wrong?

Their name escape me as I write this, but I know of one Dutch company that has been setting up tent camps for supporters of specific countries near their team's headquarters. The price is all-inclusive (or almost).

That said, it wouldn't be the first time that fans show up with neither hotel nor ticket. In the past, Lufthansa has also run charter flights scheduled around a single game for example, so no hotel was necessary.

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:04 pm

Quoting Dallas (Reply 63):
If there is a huge shortage of hotel beds, why would there be a huge demand for flights/ charters?

They fly in for the game and then fly out in order to vacate the bed for the next incoming group of fans. It's not like a WC in the U.S. where you can fly in and stay for a week or two. There just aren't enough hotel bed in Brazil to host 600,000 visitors all at the same time.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:35 pm

This thread is all about what flights the teams used to get to Brazil. But what happens while in Brazil? Are are the teams using to travel to and from games? Does anyone know? I would think that that would be organized by FIFA and not up to each individual FA.

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:05 pm

When inside Brazil teams are using both TAM (JJ) and Gol (G3) on charter flights. At least in my city they are deplaning on the air force base, which is in the same airport. This is the general rule, don't know if there is any team flying their own aircraft.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:54 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 67):
I would think that that would be organized by FIFA and not up to each individual FA.

I'm pretty sure each individual FA organizes travel for their team.

If FIFA did it, then if anything unequal happens (a team gets to their match on the day instead of night before, etc.), then FIFA gets the blame. Also, when individual FA's do it, then they can travel to suit their needs, be it arrive at location 2 days before, day before, on the day, etc.

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:08 am

The "Fanhansa" thread where I asked that question is archived, so I am using this one here for the question.

How does the German Team (and others as well) fly around Brazil? I understand they travel by bus from their camp to the nearest Airport, but what Airline /aircraft do they charter?
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:46 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 67):
But what happens while in Brazil?

For England see Replies 59 and 39. They are using a South African 100 lie-flat seat configured 762.

With the significant climatic variations between venues I doubt that FIFA has arranged transport for many if any teams. I think that the management of each team would want to be in control of flight timings because of player acclimatisation . This will be dependant on home climate and, where necessary, the team's overall acclimatisation programme. An indication of this may be England's two friendly matches against Ecuador and Honduras in Miami on their way to Brazil and their arrival in Manaus for their first match a day before their opponents, Italy.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:25 pm

DFB which is the German Spoccer Head Organisation has a deal with LH anyhow, I wonder if the 346 they flew from FRA with stays in Brazil and brings them to their match locations
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 72):
DFB which is the German Spoccer Head Organisation has a deal with LH anyhow, I wonder if the 346 they flew from FRA with stays in Brazil and brings them to their match locations

No, D-AIHQ is back on scheduled flights in the LH network. But I've read somewhere, that LH will send a B748 to Brazil to pick up the Team, in case they win the cup.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:59 pm

yes, OK., that they send an aircraft to pick them up is part of the contract. The Team that won in ROM 1990 was flown home in a Luftwaffe 707, These days are gone.

The question is, how do they travel inside Brazil.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:46 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 74):
The question is, how do they travel inside Brazil.
Quoting rg787 (Reply 68):






When inside Brazil teams are using both TAM (JJ) and Gol (G3) on charter flights.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:21 am

Since yesterday, I think the Spanish team will travel back to Spain by boat...
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:58 am

Not by boat but rather by submarine, or by Spantax Revival


 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 72):
I wonder if the 346 they flew from FRA with stays in Brazil and brings them to their match locations

With every carrier trying to maximize fleet utilization, no airline can afford to keep a plane out of its system this long anymore. BA couldn't even free up a frame for a couple of days to fly England down. Brussels Airlines sent a fresh crew ahead of their chartered A330 for Belgium in order to bring the plane back the very same day rather than let it wait on the ground 24 hours for the incoming crew to rest.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 76):
Since yesterday, I think the Spanish team will travel back to Spain by boat...

Have you seen the headlines? I wouldn't go back to Spain if I were them. Conveniently, every country outside Brazil's borders is Spanish speaking.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:11 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 76):

Rowing boat would be the maximum. Possibly they have to swim home and hope, that their fellow citizens might have forgotten the disaster when they arive.... 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:13 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 78):
Conveniently, every country outside Brazil's borders is Spanish speaking.

Possibly Chile would accept them....  
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 78):

With every carrier trying to maximize fleet utilization

That goes without saying, we should not teach each other Basic economics. We are not talking about scheduled Services but charters and an Airline like LH has some flexibility in heir fleet of over 100 l/d aircraft and the German Soccer Association is a rich outfit and they make good Money on the tournament as well.

I asked a question that is not so far fecthed as the Teams must cover large distances and Need to charter either locally or his can be handled by a full charter with an empty Ferry outbound and the same vv and the aircraft can be chartered for the duration of the WC.

Soccer is a Show biz like any other and Show stars don't fly scheduled but have a tour plane and some have even a couple of 747F and An124 to carry the Equipment from gig to gig.

So again, we are talking about full charters , not about utilisation.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:23 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 81):
German Soccer Association is a rich outfit and they make good Money on the tournament as well.

Considering that LH is a sponsor of the German team, I doubt that the DFB pays for the flights. Thus, it is in LHs sake to do the sponsoring as cheap as possible. And even LH cannot afford to let a A340-600 sitting around in Brazil doing nothing for the most time. Not to speak about maintenance tasks, which have to be done also on a time basis. The aircraft still would have to stay in Brazil for about 4 weeks.
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:15 pm

it is also very interesting to note that with a tie up such as DFB and LH it puts a little pressure on LH not to know when the German team will be knocked out (or knocked out at all...). For sure they have a plane planned for 13JUL, but in the unlikely event the team ends the tournament earlier it will be up to the network planners to free up the frame.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 58):

Interjet may be the Mexican National Team official provider, but the one that has, not the biggest slice, but almost the whole aviation‐cake, is AeroMexico.


I think Interjet had no business sponsoring the Mexican team. It really didn't get anything out of it.

A very large amount of AM's planes invading Fortaleza in a relatively short time span. All the flights were chartered by Mexican tour companies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBpLTO4KRMM

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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 76):

Since yesterday, I think the Spanish team will travel back to Spain by boat...

Correct, but considering how tired they looked to start rowing back, and the last 6 years of endless victories, we will send them an IB A330 most probably. But we can still decide to hire a rowing boat if they play with no love for our flag again in the last match vs Australia.

Dutch team used AF to go there, so if they win the cup?? I can't believe they'll use AF again rather than KLM.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 85):

Dutch team used AF to go there, so if they win the cup?? I can't believe they'll use AF again rather than KLM.

Why not? There is no scheduled flight out of GIG on the 14th and they can send another Embrear to pick them up from Paris. However, thr Dutch themselves don't expect to be in the final (their hotel is booked till just after the semi-finals). Though they did the same in South Africa.....
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:33 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 85):
Correct, but considering how tired they looked to start rowing back, and the last 6 years of endless victories, we will send them an IB A330 most probably

As a UK/Spanish combo IAG could send one clapped out old 767 to bring both Spain and England back on the same plane. I think the 767 has plenty of cargo capacity so both teams should fit.
 
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RE: World Cup Special Charters

Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:03 pm

If anyone is in Manaus, tomorrow, 20th of June, a leased LOT 787 will operate a LIS-MAO charter!
It should be the highlight of the year for local spotters!

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